Angry Goose Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 3 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said: Your scenior would put Eriksson in breach of contracts most contracts have communicate cluases between employer and employee. So this likely didn't happen his agent would inform him of this cluase Key words are "most" and "likely". You're just making assumptions at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HerrDrFunk Posted July 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said: I'm sure Eriksson will report to Utica if this where to ever happen. But I don't see this ever happening the Canucks would get very minimum cap relieve by doing this. Granted it’s not my money, but if I were Benning, I would gladly save a million in cap space to teach Eriksson to pick up his phone when I call him. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) Best. thread. ever. But I think the rumour might still be awake, under the covers, refusing to go to sleep. Edited July 8, 2019 by oldnews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glug Datt Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said: You are talking to a contract specialist I know how to phrase my words 4 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said: Your scenior would put Eriksson in breach of contracts most contracts have communicate cluases between employer and employee. So this likely didn't happen his agent would inform him of this cluase 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Roger Neilsons Towel said: LAWYER FIGHT! *throws chair* In the Ukraine Parliament they throw punches and swing with chairs.... Edited July 8, 2019 by 6string 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fateless Posted July 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2019 I like how the guy with the worst spelling, grammar, and sentence structure is claiming to be the contract specialist on these boards. This thread is priceless. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said: You are talking to a contract specialist I know how to phrase my words If your a specialists then you know almost ever contract has a loop hole or clause to protect the person or company offering the contract. also this is why I think the Nhl contracts should have a clause that says if the player doesn't reach agreed apon points in one season over agreed apon time. Say Loui agreed to put up atleast 35 points a season and has a three season grace period to get there. Where if he doesn't the team has the option to terminate his contract. It would protect the owners and keep players honest. Edited July 8, 2019 by RowdyCanuck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 5 hours ago, MikeBossy said: I'm no "contract specialist" but I'm here for ya man - always important to have 3-5 people check for you - just need a minimum 2 more CDCers and you are good to go :D Stawwwwwwwp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 So glad I came here. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 24 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said: I think the Nhl contracts should have a clause that says if the player doesn't reach agreed apon points in one season over agreed apon time. Say Loui agreed to put up atleast 35 points a season and has a three season grace period to get there. Where if he doesn't the team has the option to terminate his contract. It would protect the owners and keep players honest. Very strange if so... The coach decide how the team plays. Dump the puck and chase it may not be the best for some players. Changing lines isn' t ultimate either. So in this case, Green can play Loui in positions Loui have much harder to produce points. Do you want legal procedures to decide every time if the player or the coach is right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, Timråfan said: Very strange if so... The coach decide how the team plays. Dump the puck and chase it may not be the best for some players. Changing lines isn' t ultimate either. So in this case, Green can play Loui in positions Loui have much harder to produce points. Do you want legal procedures to decide every time if the player or the coach is right? Loui hasn't played good under two coaches now.... Iirc Boston played the same style when he put up points... Also Jake bounced around too and he put up more points...so that doesn't really hold much water...also I think Loui is better fitted for the east not to write the east off or anything but smaller/softer players do better there and it's easier to get the goals his used to scoring too. Loui has to earn his spot and he hasn't. Plain and simple. legal procedures to determine if a player or coach are right? What you mean....I'm saying if they put a clause were a player agrees to put up so many point and has a set number of season to do so is just like if you hire a contractor and they give you a set time frame/budget to get it done and if not they can be fired. It would get rid of the floaters like Loui......also it wouldn't be a judge ruling on the contract....it would be the GM so if the player role changes then it's up to the GM to decide....wouldnt that make the league more competitive? Also look at how many players have career years in the final year of their contract....it would force players to keep trying and also if the team isn't a fit then the player isn't stuck in that place...it gives a player a way out without all the drama like we have now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MystifyNCrucify Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 6 hours ago, EliasBoeser said: I bet your a lot of fun at parties 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 I thought this thread could be entertaining. I was not disappointed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, RowdyCanuck said: Loui has to earn his spot and he hasn't. Plain and simple. Agree totally... What I don't like is fans that spread hate that cause hate beside the forum. The hate creeps into every corner of the net and into the schools where children should have a nice and friendly environment. Quote legal procedures to determine if a player or coach are right? What you mean....I'm saying if they put a clause were a player agrees to put up so many point and has a set number of season to do so is just like if you hire a contractor and they give you a set time frame/budget to get it done and if not they can be fired. It would get rid of the floaters like Loui......also it wouldn't be a judge ruling on the contract....it would be the GM so if the player role changes then it's up to the GM to decide....wouldnt that make the league more competitive? Also look at how many players have career years in the final year of their contract....it would force players to keep trying and also if the team isn't a fit then the player isn't stuck in that place...it gives a player a way out without all the drama like we have now As I understand it players earn their final year/years of a contract. Take Luongo as one example. You got a lot of different reasons why a player don't match the fans expectations but match the managements expectations. Cap space etc... And how do you force an aging player to produce when the body is falling apart? It's never the players fault what happens. The managent hires a player and then the coach provide environment/support/motivation/demand and so on... And when it doesn''t work anymore. Management find another player. But let the management do the talking and support your players instead. The players need their fans behind them. And if Loui play one season more, do you really think the team benefits from fans booing and torch a shirt with his name and number on? The whole team feel bad when something like that happens because they know they could be the next target of the hating fans. Regarding Loui, why do you think he is a floater? Other fans think he's doing a good job at the level Green plays him. Don't let either interviews or Louis 6 millions disturb your thoughts. Edited July 8, 2019 by Timråfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 6 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: Yes, but as a public figure, he is totally aware of the ramifications and its results Tell that to the GM instead. Loui is a player and Benning is a GM. Very different responsibilities. Benning get paid to be a diplomat and a leader. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 4 hours ago, 6string said: In the Ukraine Parliament they throw punches and swing with chairs.... Much better for ratings as well 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 3 hours ago, RowdyCanuck said: If your a specialists then you know almost ever contract has a loop hole or clause to protect the person or company offering the contract. also this is why I think the Nhl contracts should have a clause that says if the player doesn't reach agreed apon points in one season over agreed apon time. Say Loui agreed to put up atleast 35 points a season and has a three season grace period to get there. Where if he doesn't the team has the option to terminate his contract. It would protect the owners and keep players honest. While the idea is good for the clubs, I don't think the players union would ever agree to such performance related contracts... There is no guarantees in sports. But could imagine them saying good, but then if a player produces over X points, he should be allowed to renegotiate his contract, as he is not paid, what he could get on the open market... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 12 hours ago, SilentSam said: It happened last year with Gagner,. I think it happened with someone else the years before.?? Benning has stated before that those situations will happen and have. Eriksson should not feel at all privileged, this season especially. Gagner didn’t get beat out of a roster spot so much as he just mailed it in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 14 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said: interesting read https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/patrick-johnston-whither-loui-eriksson Exactly what I said, everyone should expect LE to play in Vancouver in the fall. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper007 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 9 hours ago, RowdyCanuck said: Loui hasn't played good under two coaches now.... Iirc Boston played the same style when he put up points... Also Jake bounced around too and he put up more points...so that doesn't really hold much water...also I think Loui is better fitted for the east not to write the east off or anything but smaller/softer players do better there and it's easier to get the goals his used to scoring too. Loui has to earn his spot and he hasn't. Plain and simple. legal procedures to determine if a player or coach are right? What you mean....I'm saying if they put a clause were a player agrees to put up so many point and has a set number of season to do so is just like if you hire a contractor and they give you a set time frame/budget to get it done and if not they can be fired. It would get rid of the floaters like Loui......also it wouldn't be a judge ruling on the contract....it would be the GM so if the player role changes then it's up to the GM to decide....wouldnt that make the league more competitive? Also look at how many players have career years in the final year of their contract....it would force players to keep trying and also if the team isn't a fit then the player isn't stuck in that place...it gives a player a way out without all the drama like we have now I like the concept, but it wouldn't work. Hockey is a team sport. If those stipulations were put in, a lot of players would just play for themselves trying to get points. You'd have to put in a lot of different stipulations in too, it wouldn't be just the points. It'll be TOI, PP Time, SH Time, linemates, etc. etc. Opening up a big can of worms. Plus you have to put in clauses for injuries too. These contracts you want would be like the NFL, and as far as I know, the NFLPA is the worst out of all of the major sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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