the grinder Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 10 hours ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said: Patrick McNally and Matthew Beattie. yep exactly then the excuse of well we were winning and trading picks will come into play next lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, the grinder said: yep exactly then the excuse of well we were winning and trading picks will come into play next lol Don't loose sight of the White = Erhoff. and of course White was acquired in 2007 under the Nonis era, just in case we loose perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zfetch Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Who cares. Scouts come and go. There are plenty of scouts in the sea. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, Zfetch said: Who cares. Scouts come and go. There are plenty of scouts in the sea. Because for every one good scout there's ten bad scouts. Any one can call themselves a scout. If that's your criteria for who the Canucks employ I hope it's not prevalent with management 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairPM Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 But who gets to quantify who is a good scout VS a bad one? All we hear are the media's leaked version of things. Based on benning's work post linden, things are trending in a good direction. In fact, I'd say there needs to be two assessments of benning, with linden and without linden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Fred65 said: Don't loose sight of the White = Erhoff. and of course White was acquired in 2007 under the Nonis era, just in case we loose perspective more like cap dump equals first round bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 58 minutes ago, the grinder said: more like cap dump equals first round bust I think it's been mentioned before that SJ wasn't targetting White. At that time, if you didn't sign your 1st round pick, you would get compensated with a 2nd round pick and that's what SJ really wanted in the deal. Probably not relevant to the conversation, but just wanted to add to those that aren't aware (as I was when I first read about it recently). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MoneypuckOverlord Posted June 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 5, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 5:02 AM, Jester13 said: I've said this before, and I'll say it again, I think Brackett made a power move and it backfired on him big time. Now he's out of a job and is forced to sign elsewhere, which will happen - likely - but there's no way he will get full control of a department and the draft. And... the amount of expectations he now has put on himself to perform to the level that he claims to be at is incredibly high, so you can imagine when a pick doesn't work out and the stress that'll hit him and the microscope he'll be under for a new team. I quite like how Benning mentioned that Brackett has really become a good scout and learned a lot in the last five years, as it's clearly letting everyone know that it's not Brackett that's some saviour scout but rather JB's scouting philosophy that made all the difference, which is accurate and not the other way around that some want to believe. I'm glad this is all over with. 100% agreed. If he's in charge of the entire draft table and department what does that make Benning? GM is such a huge part of the draft, and Benning is no dumbass when it comes to drafting! he's been a scout himself before and its not like he's a GM that was never a scout unlike Burke and Gillis. Quite disrespectful that Bracket made these demands to be honest and he is actually a prodigy of Benning not the other way around. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 2 hours ago, FairPM said: But who gets to quantify who is a good scout VS a bad one? All we hear are the media's leaked version of things. Based on benning's work post linden, things are trending in a good direction. In fact, I'd say there needs to be two assessments of benning, with linden and without linden. the gm does it when he hires the individual. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 I would say almost all moves since linden have been really good JT trade Toff trade Pearson trade Podz, Hogz draft hughes and Peteys performance Myers was an upgrade team trending upwards I love linden but the worst decisions of Benning's tenure happened under linder 1.deciding to try to keep this team "competitive" while the sedins were here, Linden said many a time "we owe it to them to try and stay competitive.." well TL, you tried but failed miserably and it set us back 2. as a result of # 1- signing LE. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairPM Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 20 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: I would say almost all moves since linden have been really good JT trade Toff trade Pearson trade Podz, Hogz draft hughes and Peteys performance Myers was an upgrade team trending upwards I love linden but the worst decisions of Benning's tenure happened under linder 1.deciding to try to keep this team "competitive" while the sedins were here, Linden said many a time "we owe it to them to try and stay competitive.." well TL, you tried but failed miserably and it set us back 2. as a result of # 1- signing LE. Love it. So true. The local media love linden and seem to give him so much slack. Makes you wonder... How long can one man remain a golden boy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 33 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: I would say almost all moves since linden have been really good JT trade Toff trade Pearson trade Podz, Hogz draft hughes and Peteys performance Myers was an upgrade team trending upwards I love linden but the worst decisions of Benning's tenure happened under linder 1.deciding to try to keep this team "competitive" while the sedins were here, Linden said many a time "we owe it to them to try and stay competitive.." well TL, you tried but failed miserably and it set us back 2. as a result of # 1- signing LE. 11 minutes ago, FairPM said: Love it. So true. The local media love linden and seem to give him so much slack. Makes you wonder... How long can one man remain a golden boy? Don't forget Linden's other boy Cloutier let go and Clark brought in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 50 minutes ago, Jester13 said: Don't forget Linden's other boy Cloutier let go and Clark brought in. I have no confidence in cloudier as a goalie coach other than at the Junior (CHL) or NCAA level Clark has done wonders with marky, has turned him from marginal starter to our MVP 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 LOL, Damn. Comparing this place to the highly toxic HF Canucks site is like night and day. Lots of good thoughts here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austy Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 On 6/6/2020 at 9:25 AM, FairPM said: Love it. So true. The local media love linden and seem to give him so much slack. Makes you wonder... How long can one man remain a golden boy? I thought linden wanted the rebuild but it was benning who wanted to surround the sedins with better players ie errikson amd rebuild on the fly? Or have I got it way wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 4 hours ago, austy said: I thought linden wanted the rebuild but it was benning who wanted to surround the sedins with better players ie errikson amd rebuild on the fly? Or have I got it way wrong? The victors get to rewrite history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aGENT Posted June 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2020 4 hours ago, austy said: I thought linden wanted the rebuild but it was benning who wanted to surround the sedins with better players ie errikson amd rebuild on the fly? Or have I got it way wrong? Who knows for sure but the guys in the organization? It's certainly the story you've been sold by the anti-Benning portions of the media. That said, I don't think either was 'against' rebuilding. They could both see the writing on the wall. But Linden was the one making statements like 'unfair to the Sedins' and since his departure, Benning has arguably made some of his better moves. That reality would strongly suggest you've got the general sentiment backwards. 2 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Patel Bure Posted June 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2020 On 6/4/2020 at 4:26 PM, Zfetch said: Who cares. Scouts come and go. There are plenty of scouts in the sea. You know who cares? The nut jobs over at HF Canucks. They’ve devoted multiple threads over there to try and basically say that, “Brackett was responsible for almost every single good scouting decision that the Canucks made while Jim Benning, outside of Hughes, was responsible for every single bad scouting decision that the Canucks have ever made.” Good lord that place has severe mental issues. 1 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 On 6/4/2020 at 4:37 PM, Fred65 said: Because for every one good scout there's ten bad scouts. Any one can call themselves a scout. If that's your criteria for who the Canucks employ I hope it's not prevalent with management you've met and evaluated lots of scouts I am sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, austy said: I thought linden wanted the rebuild but it was benning who wanted to surround the sedins with better players ie errikson amd rebuild on the fly? Or have I got it way wrong? Not from my understanding. I think all of Linden, Benning, and ownership were initially on the same page back in 2014 (ie a lot of our vets were devalued and so we wouldn’t be able to get elite prospects and high 1sts in trading them, along with the fact that we had almost no one in our system within that 20-23 age range and so trading our vets for whatever, would only be setting up whatever few kids we had in our system to fail due to being rushed and playing in positions Over there heads). All three guys knew that we were in a tough spot and would be headed for some rough years, but that having a veteran presence to insulate the incoming kids and creating a culture of accountability was of the utmost importance (I.e having the right on ice and off ice habits at all times despite losing, competing hard every night, and kids being placed into positions where they would be challenged and could grow their games, but not be over exerted). I think where Linden and ownership started to diverge, was in how quickly certain kids should be brought into the line-up (again, this is speculation on my part). I believe that Linden felt that guys like Gaudette and MacEwan were ‘good enough’ to step into an NHL line up and get some exposure, while Benning and ownership felt that the Gaudette’s and MacEwen’s needed a little bit more time, and could benefit with playing bigger roles in the AHL while growing their games. Hence, the signings of Beagle, Schaller, and Roussel. Management assumed that if and when Gaudette and MacEwen were ready, finding spots for them in the line-up wouldn’t be a problem, and vets would be moved out accordingly (just as was the case when Motte beat out Gagner). I believe that this was the biggest issue between Linden and ownership and was ultimately why Linden decided to leave. Edited June 7, 2020 by DarkIndianRises 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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