Coronavirus outbreak

[JM_]

14 minutes ago, stawns said:

The money won't run out.  The government will support those out of work due to c-19

no, it will just be in the form of crushing debt. 

[stawns]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

no, it will just be in the form of crushing debt. 

If every country on the planet has crushing debt from it, is it really crushing debt?  To whom?

[chon derry]

27 minutes ago, Toews said:

I click on this thread very reluctantly and mostly because its the most active thread on this forum. Imho this is the worst thread that has ever been created on this forum. Every time I come here I see someone $&!#ting all over someone else and vice versa. Its probably even worse than the Trump thread mostly because no one can seriously defend Trump's behaviour any more. It reminds me of a PGT after a bad loss where we surrendered a 3 goal lead lost in regulation and the opponent took liberties on our star players. Except it just keeps going on and on.

[JM_]

3 minutes ago, stawns said:

If every country on the planet has crushing debt from it, is it really crushing debt?  To whom?

you and me friend. There's no other place for it to come from. The NDP likes to talk about taxing corporations but there's a very practical limit to that.

[kingofsurrey]

55 minutes ago, skategal said:

I don't think I've heard either Dr. Henry or Adrian Dix instruct anyone to send their kids to school.  They have provided the option, it's up to the parent to make the choice.  

Its great they provide the option.

 

Maybe they should also ensure that schools classrooms have sinks / water / and hand sanitizer/soap. 

Do teachers  now need to bring their own sinks / taps and huge bottle water from home... and provide it to BC students ?

 

How about keeping symptom free kids from Covid infected households home instead of mixing them with other students ?

 

Dr Bonnie did a great job for BC when Covid started but her decisions lately have been very strange.  Maybe she just does not have much of any understanding of how rough some of BC schools are looking the last 10 years due to cutbacks of funding .  I wonder is she has her kids or grand kids attending  public elementary schools in Whalley or Central Surrey ?

Edited May 17, 2020 by kingofsurrey

[NewbieCanuckFan]

2 hours ago, Canuckster86 said:

A friend of mine a few years ago got a part time job at Costco with minimal hours, wage was poor. That said like the veterans there make great money for 0 education. I remember in high school working at save on foods in the meat department. We got rid of lots of machines and "meat cutter" were now glorified minimum wage staff basically but they got ATO's every month and made mid to high $20's/hr with a great pension. But a new worker like me got part time closing hours and made $8/hr with no chance of full time work or benefits.

Times sure have changed.  About six months ago (well before this "crisis") I remember looking thru 'job ads' and seeing a bunch of *ENTRY LEVEL* jobs asking for X years experience & multiple references.  I mean, wtf?  

[kingofsurrey]

6 minutes ago, The 5th Line said:

Nobody here does any actual research before they lay out their stance.  This is such a hopeless place 

Yes, and that  includes you.   People that try to tell RN's about covid issues...  really ?

Edited May 17, 2020 by kingofsurrey

[Fan since 82]

54 minutes ago, stawns said:

The money won't run out.  The government will support those out of work due to c-19

We're just borrowing from ourselves. It will run out. 

[BPA]

28 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Its great they provide the option.

 

Maybe they should also ensure that schools classrooms have sinks / water / and hand sanitizer/soap. 

Do teachers  now need to bring their own sinks / taps and huge bottle water from home... and provide it to BC students ?

 

How about keeping symptom free kids from Covid infected households home instead of mixing them with other students ?

 

Dr Bonnie did a great job for BC when Covid started but her decisions lately have been very strange.  Maybe she just does not have much of any understanding of how rough some of BC schools are looking the last 10 years due to cutbacks of funding .  I wonder is she has her kids or grand kids attending  public elementary schools in Whalley or Central Surrey ?

I can't wait to see how your reaction will be in September. 

 

[JM_]

1 hour ago, The 5th Line said:

you're on the front line of this pandemic but you buckle under the pressure of an online discussion with some dude named "the 5th line" ?   very reassuring.

 

 

School works as daycare.  Parents can now work more, make money, support the economy, help support their family (including their kids), gain traction in their mental health.

 

School is important for children.  Learning is good and kids need socializing

it really is. The plan you posted looks very good to me, and has clearly thought about how transmission happens. Whether or not people want to expose their grand parents to kids is a family decision, one you'd hope they actually think about. We can't police that for them.

 

1 hour ago, The 5th Line said:

It's funny because when I was first disagreeing with government decisions I got trashed for it, now Im supporting their decision and here I am getting trashed for it. 

 

 

 

you remind me of the old joke where a guy can never catch a break in life, at every turn in his life no matter what he does, something happens to make it go bad for him. One day out of sheer frustration he screams to the heavens, "why me god, why me?"

 

The clouds part, and god appears and says "I dunno, there's just something about you that pisses me off."

 

[wloutet]

49 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

I wonder is she has her kids or grand kids attending  public elementary schools

Didn't Christie Clark's son go to a private school?

[bishopshodan]

1 hour ago, Fan since 82 said:

Teaching is not a job it's a calling. People who get into it because it's a good job are usually the worst teachers.

It's not a calling with any decent dough here in BC though. Quite low pay here. 

And the job isn't just teaching anymore. It's raising other peoples children, more students than ever per class. It seems to be looked at also like a daycare.

 

I find it interesting that people that say "the kids need to go back to school!" have stated mostly the first reason as ' the parents need to get back to work...get the economy going...'

 

I would have thought the first thing they would have said is "so my child can continue to develop, learn in a manner that I am not skilled enough to provide at home"

[stawns]

57 minutes ago, Fan since 82 said:

We're just borrowing from ourselves. It will run out. 

Depends on how they go about it.  The Great Depression was worse and they spent their way out of that

[Wilbur]

2 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

It's not a calling with any decent dough here in BC though. Quite low pay here. 

And the job isn't just teaching anymore. It's raising other peoples children, more students than ever per class. It seems to be looked at also like a daycare.

 

I find it interesting that people that say "the kids need to go back to school!" have stated mostly the first reason as ' the parents need to get back to work...get the economy going...'

 

I would have thought the first thing they would have said is "so my child can continue to develop, learn in a manner that I am not skilled enough to provide at home"

It's not about getting parents back to work, it truly is about getting kids back to school. 

 

The cost of daycare would pretty quickly negate the money made by a parent returning to work.  (especially considering many daycare's don't do part-time, you either pay for the spot Mon-Fri or they fill it with someone who will).

[Fan since 82]

3 minutes ago, stawns said:

Depends on how they go about it.  The Great Depression was worse and they spent their way out of that

We are now globally connected in ways that we weren't in the 20s and 30s, and in a twisted way the war also helped end the depression.

[stawns]

3 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

It's not about getting parents back to work, it truly is about getting kids back to school. 

 

The cost of daycare would pretty quickly negate the money made by a parent returning to work.  (especially considering many daycare's don't do part-time, you either pay for the spot Mon-Fri or they fill it with someone who will).

I say, let's put safety and lives above all else.

[BPA]

1 hour ago, bishopshodan said:

 

I would have thought the first thing they would have said is "so my child can continue to develop, learn in a manner that I am not skilled enough to provide at home"

Probably because every parent knows (by now) that they are not cut out to be teachers.  I know I'm not.  My kids drive me nuts.  Can't imagine having to teach 20+ kids. 

 

Lol.

[spur1]

6 minutes ago, BPA said:

Probably because every parent knows (by now) that they are not cut out to be teachers.  I know I'm not.  My kids drive me nuts.  Can't imagine having to teach 20+ kids. 

 

Lol.

Just like herding cats. 

[Fanuck]

2 hours ago, The 5th Line said:

Nobody here does any actual research before they lay out their stance.

You mean like how our leader Horgan and his chief medical officer planned with the minister of education to re-open schools but not preschools/daycares - meaning every single teacher/administrator/EA/secretary//custodian,ect... out there with kids of their own younger than school aged is absolutely effed.   You mean doing research like that.....?

 

edit, sorry, that's not research - it would probably just fall into the 'common effing sense' category wouldn't it?  

Edited May 17, 2020 by Fanuck

[skategal]

11 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

You mean like how our leader Horgan and his chief medical officer planned with the minister of education to re-open schools but not preschools/daycares - meaning every single teacher/administrator/EA/secretary/ect... out there with kids of their own younger than school aged is absolutely effed.   You mean doing research like that.....? 

 

This article is dated May 15, 2020 and is posted on the BC gov website.  I didn't think child care providers were ever ordered to close?  I could be wrong, but this document doesn't sound like they were ordered closed.  

 

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/health/about-bc-s-health-care-system/office-of-the-provincial-health-officer/covid-19/covid-19_child_care_guidance_-_2020_may_15_-final.pdf

 

This document provides interim guidance for child care services to prevent the transmission of COVID-19 and maintain safe and healthy environments for children and staff during the COVID-19 pandemic. It identifies key infection prevention and control practices to implement in child care settings and actions to take if a child or staff member develops symptoms of COVID-19.  Based on the current epidemiology of COVID-19 in B.C., and the fact that children are at a much lower risk of developing COVID-19, child care providers are encouraged to remain or re-open, while supporting the health and safety of children and adults.  Child care services should adapt as much as possible to implement public health and infection prevention and control measures, including staying home when ill, physical distancing, minimized physical contact, hand hygiene, frequent cleaning and disinfection, as described in this guidance.