the grinder Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 3 hours ago, debluvscanucks said: Sounds like Pearson Horvat Hog have a bit of magic in the works. THE HP SAUCE LINE , 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Schmautzie said: Any thoughts on who kills penalties for us on defence? If Juolevi makes the bottom pairing either he or Hughes will have to be play the left side on the second PK unit. I think Juolevi, but Schmidt could fill in on the left side too considering Myers/Hamonic can both kill penalties on the right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millsy Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Schmautzie said: Any thoughts on who kills penalties for us on defence? If Juolevi makes the bottom pairing either he or Hughes will have to be play the left side on the second PK unit. Juolevi will. Green said in his presser today that he’s going to be expected to have that as part of his game. I think they are grooming him to be a solid 3/4 guy. PK will be the following imho Edler Myers Schmidt Hamonic if one of those guys is gassed or in the box Juolevi subs in - they’ll be ease him in. But given the compressed schedule he will see a decent amount of time on the PK regardless to keep guys fresh. advantage of Schmidt is he can play left or right so if Hamonic or Myers is in the box he can take that spot and Juolevi takes the left side. Edited January 7, 2021 by Millsy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, Millsy said: I don’t think anyone doesn’t see that Rathbone has the talent to play in the NHL and will, but: - you’re making assertions based on what? None of us see the practices or scrimmages . To say he’s ready from a few clips is not a valid away to assess - green himself said Rathbone needs to work on the defensive details. - Juolevi is further ahead in his all around game and particularly the defensive side given his experience. - for the role of a #6 you need to be ready defensively for the NHL, and OJ is clearly there and has proven he’s “ready” to handle that - Petey and Hughes are future superstars and already stars, comparing their ability to jump straight into the nhl to most players is absurd, they are not the “norm”, they are the exception and Rathbone is not at that level. - it’s much easier for forwards to jump in vs men than dmen. The physical toll and responsibility is lower - Quinn Hughes jumping in is not a valid benchmark given comments above - it’s not Political, the coach will choose the player most ready and able to help the team win, that’s his job His numbers don’t lie. All young players need to work on their defence but some things you can’t teach. Any defenceman that puts up a point a game in the NCAA is a very good defenceman. Here again I use Quinn Hughes’ numbers as a comparison Dobber Hockey has Rathbone projected to be a Superstar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millsy Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Pure961089 said: His numbers don’t lie. All young players need to work on their defence but some things you can’t teach. Any defenceman that puts up a point a game in the NCAA is a very good defenceman. Here again I use Quinn Hughes’ numbers as a comparison Dobber Hockey has Rathbone projected to be a Superstar. He’s no Quinn Hughes dude. Smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanP Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said: 23 Man Roster: Miller - Pettersson - Boeser Pearson - Horvat - Hoglander Roussel - Gaudette - Virtanen Motte - Sutter - MacEwen Beagle, Hawryluk Edler - Schmidt Hughes - Hamonic Juolevi - Myers Benn Holtby Demko Taxi Squad: Baertschi Michaelis DiPietro Chatfield Eriksson Bailey Wouldn't be against Lockwood or Rathbone being on the taxi squad - as they don't seem too far away, but its probably best for them to be playing. Only one defender on taxi squad with only 7 defenders on the main roster? Don’t think so, at least one more on the taxi squad (either Rafferty or Rathbone) instead on either Ericsson or Michaelis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 21 minutes ago, Phil_314 said: The steals, dangling and chemistry probably have him as a candidate for the 2nd line (back to the bottom 6 for Jake?). The highlights have been impressive. All the other hockey we haven't seen I'm curious about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Millsy said: He’s no Quinn Hughes dude. Smh Not saying he is but his numbers compare. You just trying to deflect lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, ilduce39 said: ...I guess if you want a cold splash of pessimism some could call realism, our bottom 2 lines could be seen as two 4th lines. I could see that POV since neither Sutter nor Gaudette are ideal 3C’s... not enough points or that elite shutdown acumen. I think a healthy Rooster and focused Jake are 3rd line wingers... and I love the energy Motte and Macewen bring. Still excited. can you give 15 examples of a 3rd line center or better known as the top 50% of the league? i mean because your basically saying 50 points in a year is not good enough, and a 30 point defensive specialist is not 3rd line caliber. i imagine ill be waiting for a while. Edited January 7, 2021 by Petey_BOI 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millsy Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Pure961089 said: Not saying he is but his numbers compare. You just trying to deflect lol. I’m not deflecting. I made a list of counter arguments to suggest your view of Rathbone at this stage is inflated. You compared him to two superstars, one is a forward and then another forward. You also think you know more than green and haven’t even seen the kid in drills, scrimmages vs nhl players (because we can’t as it’s not televised) and I’m sure you’re not a better evaluator of talent vis a vis green. So while I appreciate you’re pumped on Rathbone, I think we all are and I do think he will be closer to Hughes than many think, he’s not ready defensively according to green (or hinting as such) Rathbone likely has a fine future with us. And yes he’s close, but Juolevi is ahead of him. Edited January 7, 2021 by Millsy 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FaninMex Posted January 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Devron44 said: This brackett stuff is annoying. It takes a whole team to scout and draft When little children say something silly or lacking intelligent, you don't get upset. Likewise, when @Squamfan or others of his ilk post, just commend them on their good attempt and move on. 3 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 On capfriendly, Rathbone has been removed and Juolevi added. I think Juolevi is more suited to the role. 3rd pairing D spend a lot of time against 4th and 3rd lines but also have to be able to go against the best every now and then. Olli was used a lot on the pk in Utica. It will be interesting to see how he progresses in a condensed schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKNuck96 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Glad to see Rathbone getting some more acknowledgement on here. Hopefully people will stop seeing him as a makeweight trade piece and start to evaluate his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: ok, I'll bite. Been around a lot of hockey clubs in my life and not once have I seen a personnel decision made to make someone "look good" that would harm a team's success. Tell me some examples of such hockey decisions from the "countless" examples you have. By the way, where is the pub in Timrå you talked about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millsy Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, UKNuck96 said: Glad to see Rathbone getting some more acknowledgement on here. Hopefully people will stop seeing him as a makeweight trade piece and start to evaluate his game. Nah he’s going to be a stud for us. He looked it in his first camp and has only gotten better and stronger. Had OJ not been ready, I’m sure he would have be in his place. But a year of seasoning in the AHL playing first PP/Pk big minutes against pro’s will get him prepared. I suspect when they expand the rosters for the playoffs he’ll be one of the black aces. our future is bright - 2 years from now Hughes Myers Juolevi Schmidt Rathbone Tryamkin Edler / Woo cup winning D Edited January 7, 2021 by Millsy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Millsy said: I’m not deflecting. I made a list of counter arguments to suggest your view of Rathbone at this stage is inflated. You compared him to two superstars, one is a forward and then another forward. You also think you know more than green and haven’t even seen the kid in drills, scrimmages vs nhl players and I’m sure you’re not a better evaluator of talent vis a vis green. Rathbone likely has a fine future with us. And yes he’s close, but Juolevi is ahead of him. And I respectfully read your lists they just seem... predetermined. Because OJ was selected #6 it’s assumed he is defensively ready. And maybe if he hadn’t been injured so much and had developed properly over the last couple seasons your argument would have held water. But Rathbone has been healthy and has leapfrogged OJ in the Canucks depth chart. He has a good frame at 6’2 and has a good skill set. And I’m sure if he had of developed properly he would have made the team long ago. It’s nobody’s fault it’s just bad luck. You have your opinions and they’re good ones, But I’m bringing you statistics. They shouldn’t be so eagerly dismissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 21 minutes ago, RomanP said: Only one defender on taxi squad with only 7 defenders on the main roster? Don’t think so, at least one more on the taxi squad (either Rafferty or Rathbone) instead on either Ericsson or Michaelis. Good point. Maybe Brisebois or Sautner are possibilities considering they have experience 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKNuck96 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Millsy said: Nah he’s going to be a stud for us. He looked it in his first camp and has only gotten better and stronger. Had OJ not been ready, I’m sure he would have be in his place. But a year of seasoning in the AHL playing first PP/Pk big minutes against pro’s will get him prepared. I suspect when they expand the rosters for the playoffs he’ll be one of the black aces. our future is bright - 2 years from now Hughes Myers Juolevi Schmidt Rathbone Tryamkin Edler cup winning D He doesn’t look out of place. But I agree he most likely will be sent to Utica for this season but next season will be a regular 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyGuy123 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 3 hours ago, gottalovethosenucks said: Who before Petey and huggy bear ??? Boeser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Blankenship Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, Millsy said: I’m not deflecting. I made a list of counter arguments to suggest your view of Rathbone at this stage is inflated. You compared him to two superstars, one is a forward and then another forward. You also think you know more than green and haven’t even seen the kid in drills, scrimmages vs nhl players (because we can’t as it’s not televised) and I’m sure you’re not a better evaluator of talent vis a vis green. So while I appreciate you’re pumped on Rathbone, I think we all are and I do think he will be closer to Hughes than many think, he’s not ready defensively according to green (or hinting as such) Rathbone likely has a fine future with us. And yes he’s close, but Juolevi is ahead of him. People just like to look at all the numbers without any context. At this point Oj is the better fit in our lineup, though Rathbone looks to be a great addition a little further down the line. We are going to have some great depth on the back end in a few years time 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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