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[GDT/PGT] Vancouver Canucks @ Edmonton McDavids | January 14, 2021 | 6 p.m. PT | SN, SNP

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We shut McDavid down yesterday, but we failed to today.

 

Special teams completely lost us the game. PP = no goals. PK = allowed 2 goals

 

Meh, not too concerned. Make some adjustments and move on.

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2 minutes ago, Darius said:

Team is stacked because Gretzky, the greatest of all time, helped develop those players to a higher level.   Just like he made Chris Kontos a playoff all star and Bernie Nichols a 150 point player in Los Angeles. 
 

If Gretzky was on la for 10 of his prime years who knows how many cups and legends would have been made there. 

you don't think mcdavid doesn't know what wins games? i think if he was on the oilers in 83/84 hed put in 150 goals

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7 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

You're trying to make the argument that McDiver's better than Mario as well...

no im not AT ALL. someone said mcdavid couldnt hold mario lemeiucxs orrs jockstrap. im just saying insert him into the 80's and hed be just as dominant

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2 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said:

you don't think mcdavid doesn't know what wins games? i think if he was on the oilers in 83/84 hed put in 150 goals

Seems not to as he still refuses to backcheck.

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2 minutes ago, Darius said:

Team is stacked because Gretzky, the greatest of all time, helped develop those players to a higher level.   Just like he made Chris Kontos a playoff all star and Bernie Nichols a 150 point player in Los Angeles. 
 

If Gretzky was on la for 10 of his prime years who knows how many cups and legends would have been made there. 

I was a Canuck fan living in Edmonton the year Gretzky came into the league. He was a whiny little sob. I absolutely hated him because no matter how well the Canucks played, you KNEW he was going to break your heart. His first year as a kid in the NHL he played with BJ Macdonald and Brett Callighen, not exactly superstars although BJ was a good goal scorer for a few years.

 

I don’t like to compare players from different eras because you can only beat the teams you play and be better than the players you play against, but for me CM has a few years ahead of him before I can even think about putting him in the GOAT category. He may get there yet but I’ll reserve judgement.

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Just now, Petey_BOI said:

you don't think mcdavid doesn't know what wins games? i think if he was on the oilers in 83/84 hed put in 150 goals

Oh boi, you're a lost cause.  McDavid couldnt even score enough goals to lead his team last year... 

 

Speaking of last year, have you decided goals, assists or points yet to tell us which one McDavid was best at?  

 

I assume you are just gonna ignore this request again because you realize that you arguing McDavid is in the same tier as Gretzky and Lemieux is cringe worthy.

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9 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said:

you don't think mcdavid doesn't know what wins games? i think if he was on the oilers in 83/84 hed put in 150 goals

Again you are projecting backwards.

 

McDavid is arguably top 3 in the world right now.  Not on par with the greatest of all time though.  That’s all I’m saying. 
 

and honestly I don’t know if he knows what it takes because at the nhl level he has won one round.  His teams have sucked but as the primary ingredient on those teams maybe some of that is on him too.  Excellent one on one guy uses speed superbly to give team mates an advantage... I see some tunnel vision sometimes and some bad turn overs with average d zone attention at best.   can he play  200 ft like a Crosby for instance?  I think not ... not yet.. 
 

 

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2 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said:

you watch all his games right?

I've seen enough to know he's not a team player, similar to Yzerman early in his career, who he also isn't as good as.

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3 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

I've seen enough to know he's not a team player, similar to Yzerman early in his career, who he also isn't as good as.

You need to watch more Oilers games. This isn't 2016.

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1 minute ago, Darius said:

Again you are projecting backwards.

 

McDavid is arguably top 3 in the world right now.  Not on par with the greatest of all time though.  That’s all I’m saying. 
 

and honestly I don’t know if he knows what it takes because at the nhl level he has won one round.  His teams have sucked but as the primary ingredient on this teams maybe some of that is on him too.  Excellent one on one guy uses speed superbly to give team mates an advantage... I see some tunnel vision sometimes and some bad turn overs with average d zone attention at best.   can he play  200 ft like a Crosby for instance?  I think not ... not yet.. 
 

 

thats cause your thinking that the best hockey was played in 1981. look at my thread on if all games were played in 1981. mcdavid would rank third for ppg

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22 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said:

ill pick homerism. you. may i present you the 83/84 roster. tell me this team isn't stacked.

Wayne Gretzky C 74 87 118 205 39 76 19 13 22 35 12 ONT: Brantford 22
  Paul Coffey D 80 40 86 126 104 52 19 8 14 22 21 ONT: Weston 22
  Jari Kurri R 64 52 61 113 14 38 19 14 14 28 13 Finland: Helsinki 23
  Mark Messier C 73 37 64 101 165 40 19 8 18 26 19 ALTA: Edmonton 22
  Glenn Anderson F 80 54 45 99 65 41 19 6 11 17 33 BC: Vancouver 22
  Ken Linseman F 72 18 49 67 119 30 19 10 4 14 65 ONT: Kingston 25
  Pat Hughes F 77 27 28 55 61 18 19 2 11 13 12 ALTA: Calgary 28
  Dave Hunter F 80 22 26 48 90 25 17 5 5 10 14 ONT: Petrolia 25
  Kevin Lowe D 80 4 42 46 59 37 19 3 7 10 16 PQ: Lachute 24
  Charlie Huddy D 75 8 34 42 43 50 12 1 9 10 8 ONT: Oshawa 24
  Randy Gregg D 80 13 27 40 56 40 19 3 7 10 21 ALTA: Edmonton 27
  Willy Lindstrom R 73 22 16 38 38 17 19 5 5 10 10 Sweden: Grums 32
  Jaroslav Pouzar F 67 13 19 32 44 17 14 1 2 3 12 Czech Rep.: Cakovec 32
  Kevin McClelland 1 R 52 8 20 28 127 9 18 4 6 10 42 ONT: Oshawa 21
  Dave Lumley F 56 6 15 21 68 14 19 2 5 7 44 ONT: Toronto 29
  Lee Fogolin D 80 5 16 21 125 33 19 1 4 5 23 IL: Chicago 28
  Don Jackson D 64 8 12 20 120 28 19 1 2 3 32 MN: Minneapolis 26
  Dave Semenko L 52 6 11 17 118 9 19 5 5 10 44 MAN: Winnipeg 26
  Grant Fuhr G 45 0 14 14 6 0 16 0 3 3 4 ALTA: Spruce Grove 20

Not sure what the point of this is, but I'll play along.  So Gretzky lead this stacked team in goals, assists and points.

 

In fact, he had 63% higher point totals than his next closest teammate.  What does that mean?  It means if Draisaitl had 100 points, McDavid would need 163 points to have an equivalent level of dominance that Gretzky had.  We are comparing players on the same team, in the same year, with the same set of circumstances.  Lemme know when McDavid pulls that off and we can talk GOAT.

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