[GDT/PGT] Vancouver Canucks @ Edmonton McDavids | January 14, 2021 | 6 p.m. PT | SN, SNP

[luckylager]

2 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said:

the also don't have thier own personal body guards

[BlueDragon23]

We shut McDavid down yesterday, but we failed to today.

 

Special teams completely lost us the game. PP = no goals. PK = allowed 2 goals

 

Meh, not too concerned. Make some adjustments and move on.

[Bad_BOI_pete]

1 minute ago, King Heffy said:

Yep, definitely couldn't handle it himself.

sure sure chose the guys thats 6 foot 5, and gretzky?

[King Heffy]

Just now, Petey_BOI said:

sure sure chose the guys thats 6 foot 5, and gretzky?

You're trying to make the argument that McDiver's better than Mario as well...

[Smashian Kassian]

 

 

According to CapFriendly Miller has been activated to our roster. Don't know if that means he'll be back. But maybe he'll be cleared tommorrow? 

[Bad_BOI_pete]

2 minutes ago, Darius said:

Team is stacked because Gretzky, the greatest of all time, helped develop those players to a higher level.   Just like he made Chris Kontos a playoff all star and Bernie Nichols a 150 point player in Los Angeles. 
 

If Gretzky was on la for 10 of his prime years who knows how many cups and legends would have been made there. 

you don't think mcdavid doesn't know what wins games? i think if he was on the oilers in 83/84 hed put in 150 goals

[GetFocht]

7 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

You're trying to make the argument that McDiver's better than Mario as well...

He's more dynamic

[Bad_BOI_pete]

7 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

You're trying to make the argument that McDiver's better than Mario as well...

no im not AT ALL. someone said mcdavid couldnt hold mario lemeiucxs orrs jockstrap. im just saying insert him into the 80's and hed be just as dominant

[King Heffy]

2 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said:

you don't think mcdavid doesn't know what wins games? i think if he was on the oilers in 83/84 hed put in 150 goals

Seems not to as he still refuses to backcheck.

[4petesake]

2 minutes ago, Darius said:

Team is stacked because Gretzky, the greatest of all time, helped develop those players to a higher level.   Just like he made Chris Kontos a playoff all star and Bernie Nichols a 150 point player in Los Angeles. 
 

If Gretzky was on la for 10 of his prime years who knows how many cups and legends would have been made there. 

I was a Canuck fan living in Edmonton the year Gretzky came into the league. He was a whiny little sob. I absolutely hated him because no matter how well the Canucks played, you KNEW he was going to break your heart. His first year as a kid in the NHL he played with BJ Macdonald and Brett Callighen, not exactly superstars although BJ was a good goal scorer for a few years.

 

I don’t like to compare players from different eras because you can only beat the teams you play and be better than the players you play against, but for me CM has a few years ahead of him before I can even think about putting him in the GOAT category. He may get there yet but I’ll reserve judgement.

[Bad_BOI_pete]

Just now, King Heffy said:

Seems not to as he still refuses to backcheck.

you watch all his games right?

[HKSR]

Just now, Petey_BOI said:

you don't think mcdavid doesn't know what wins games? i think if he was on the oilers in 83/84 hed put in 150 goals

Oh boi, you're a lost cause.  McDavid couldnt even score enough goals to lead his team last year... 

 

Speaking of last year, have you decided goals, assists or points yet to tell us which one McDavid was best at?  

 

I assume you are just gonna ignore this request again because you realize that you arguing McDavid is in the same tier as Gretzky and Lemieux is cringe worthy.

[Darius]

9 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said:

you don't think mcdavid doesn't know what wins games? i think if he was on the oilers in 83/84 hed put in 150 goals

Again you are projecting backwards.

 

McDavid is arguably top 3 in the world right now.  Not on par with the greatest of all time though.  That’s all I’m saying. 
 

and honestly I don’t know if he knows what it takes because at the nhl level he has won one round.  His teams have sucked but as the primary ingredient on those teams maybe some of that is on him too.  Excellent one on one guy uses speed superbly to give team mates an advantage... I see some tunnel vision sometimes and some bad turn overs with average d zone attention at best.   can he play  200 ft like a Crosby for instance?  I think not ... not yet.. 
 

 

Edited January 15, 2021 by Darius

[King Heffy]

2 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said:

you watch all his games right?

I've seen enough to know he's not a team player, similar to Yzerman early in his career, who he also isn't as good as.

[TNucks1]

https://streamable.com/esbccy

[MikeyD]

3 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

I've seen enough to know he's not a team player, similar to Yzerman early in his career, who he also isn't as good as.

You need to watch more Oilers games. This isn't 2016.

[Bad_BOI_pete]

1 minute ago, Darius said:

Again you are projecting backwards.

 

McDavid is arguably top 3 in the world right now.  Not on par with the greatest of all time though.  That’s all I’m saying. 
 

and honestly I don’t know if he knows what it takes because at the nhl level he has won one round.  His teams have sucked but as the primary ingredient on this teams maybe some of that is on him too.  Excellent one on one guy uses speed superbly to give team mates an advantage... I see some tunnel vision sometimes and some bad turn overs with average d zone attention at best.   can he play  200 ft like a Crosby for instance?  I think not ... not yet.. 
 

 

thats cause your thinking that the best hockey was played in 1981. look at my thread on if all games were played in 1981. mcdavid would rank third for ppg

[King Heffy]

Just now, MikeyD said:

You need to watch more Oilers games. This isn't 2016.

I don't watch AHL teams.

[Bad_BOI_pete]

1 minute ago, King Heffy said:

I don't watch AHL teams.

one of my main points

[HKSR]

22 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said:

ill pick homerism. you. may i present you the 83/84 roster. tell me this team isn't stacked.

Wayne Gretzky	C	74	87	118	205	39	76	19	13	22	35	12	ONT: Brantford	22
	Paul Coffey	D	80	40	86	126	104	52	19	8	14	22	21	ONT: Weston	22
	Jari Kurri	R	64	52	61	113	14	38	19	14	14	28	13	Finland: Helsinki	23
	Mark Messier	C	73	37	64	101	165	40	19	8	18	26	19	ALTA: Edmonton	22
	Glenn Anderson	F	80	54	45	99	65	41	19	6	11	17	33	BC: Vancouver	22
	Ken Linseman	F	72	18	49	67	119	30	19	10	4	14	65	ONT: Kingston	25
	Pat Hughes	F	77	27	28	55	61	18	19	2	11	13	12	ALTA: Calgary	28
	Dave Hunter	F	80	22	26	48	90	25	17	5	5	10	14	ONT: Petrolia	25
	Kevin Lowe	D	80	4	42	46	59	37	19	3	7	10	16	PQ: Lachute	24
	Charlie Huddy	D	75	8	34	42	43	50	12	1	9	10	8	ONT: Oshawa	24
	Randy Gregg	D	80	13	27	40	56	40	19	3	7	10	21	ALTA: Edmonton	27
	Willy Lindstrom	R	73	22	16	38	38	17	19	5	5	10	10	Sweden: Grums	32
	Jaroslav Pouzar	F	67	13	19	32	44	17	14	1	2	3	12	Czech Rep.: Cakovec	32
	Kevin McClelland 1	R	52	8	20	28	127	9	18	4	6	10	42	ONT: Oshawa	21
	Dave Lumley	F	56	6	15	21	68	14	19	2	5	7	44	ONT: Toronto	29
	Lee Fogolin	D	80	5	16	21	125	33	19	1	4	5	23	IL: Chicago	28
	Don Jackson	D	64	8	12	20	120	28	19	1	2	3	32	MN: Minneapolis	26
	Dave Semenko	L	52	6	11	17	118	9	19	5	5	10	44	MAN: Winnipeg	26
	Grant Fuhr	G	45	0	14	14	6	0	16	0	3	3	4	ALTA: Spruce Grove	20

Not sure what the point of this is, but I'll play along.  So Gretzky lead this stacked team in goals, assists and points.

 

In fact, he had 63% higher point totals than his next closest teammate.  What does that mean?  It means if Draisaitl had 100 points, McDavid would need 163 points to have an equivalent level of dominance that Gretzky had.  We are comparing players on the same team, in the same year, with the same set of circumstances.  Lemme know when McDavid pulls that off and we can talk GOAT.