[GDT/PGT] Vancouver Canucks vs. Winnipeg Jets | March 24, 2021 | 7:30 p.m. PT | SNP

[Cromeslab]

3 minutes ago, Silky mitts said:

Play with my dog who’s definitely also smarter than benning

[-Vintage Canuck-]

POSTGAME | Travis Green

 

[Dazzle]

22 minutes ago, Alain Vigneault said:

I think my point is clear, though.

 

In the past 10 years, the state of the team hasn't been pretty.  That falls on Gillis, that falls on Benning, and it most certainly falls on ownership for overseeing this all.

Finally, it seems we can agree on something in a consecutive manner. This has been a long term thing for sure. Green and WD are just bad hires in hindsight, but probably Green, even though he's pushed into the playoffs.

Edited March 25, 2021 by Dazzle

[Bad_BOI_pete]

1 minute ago, Silky mitts said:

Benning has built a mediocre team and shown an inability to surround it with the right pieces . He sucks . 

honestly, the terrible free agent signings haven't affected our window. we still need a couple of homeruns every 3 years  or so for the next  5 years before we can be a cup contender. quality free agents would probaly have ensured we would top out our potential as a playoff contender 

[Dr. Crossbar]

24 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

This, mind boggling some think beating the Jets 2 games in a row is doable with the lineup as is 

[DeNiro]

26 minutes ago, billabong said:

So glad this team gets some time off. it gives us all a break 

 

To the people who are criticizing green, go look at the line up he has been given to try and win a NHL hockey game. Go find me a coach who can win with this team.

 

spoiler alert: ain’t gonna find one

 

 

Coyotes do it every season.

[Cromeslab]

1 minute ago, Dazzle said:

Finally, it seems we can agree on something in consecutively.

Can’t really argue that.Its a collective effort 

 

 

 

 

[AV.]

10 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

True enough, but isn't the most difficult thing to build the core?  How do you acquire top elite talent unless you draft them?  Isn't that what Benning has done?  Isn't it alot easier to build around the core than to actually acquire it?  If so, why not give Benning some more leeway to build around HIS core?  Why have another GM do it?  Also, the final pieces of the puzzle will mainly come from additional draft picks that aren't in the lineup yet.  Podkolzin, Lind, Gadjovich, Rathbone, Juolevi, Tryamkin, Di Pietro.  That's another 30% of the future team right there.

 

The only thing that needs tweaking are a couple big pieces like a partner for Hughes and a 3C.  Most everything else is already in place.  Guys like Beagle, Sutter, Roussel, Eriksson, etc., there were circumstances to add them at the time.  Sutter had never been injured before he got to Vancouver, Beagle was a 4C on a Stanley Champion, Roussel was actually a good player at the time he was signed and Eriksson was coming off a 30 goal season.  Hindsight is 20/20.  But at the time of those deals, they weren't all that bad.  Plus Aquilini wanted a retool on the fly and wanted the Sedins to get one last shot at a Cup.  So Benning accommodated his request and Linden was fired because he wanted a full rebuild.

 

Benning is contracted for another two years.  The chances of him being fired right now are about zero.  The coaching staff is as good as gone.  So this is what we are left with.  Let's see what Benning does in the offseason.  I am not opposed to him getting fired if we have to deal with being a lottery team for the next 2 years.  Obviously Benning has to do something to get this team to the playoffs next year or else his job is on the line like everyone else.

I appreciate the effort to provide a lengthy post here and I think your plea comes from an honest place.  With that said, we have to look at some things.

 

1.  Benning has been on the job for nearly 7 years.  Suits and ties in the NHL don't usually get that long, and they certainly don't get there without some sort of visible, tangible success.  In 7 years, what are Benning's accomplishments?  2 playoff appearances (one of which a "play-in") and...some picks in the top 10?  Is that worthy enough for you to warrant a tenure that long?

 

2.  You ask for more time but does he deserve it?  Sure, he drafted this core but how has he supported them to date?  Well, just this past off-season, he let a proven starting goalie walk in favour for an unproven starting goalie, he let a pair of reliable defencemen walk without getting enough adequate replacements, and after trading a high draft pick and B+ level prospect for a young, top 6 winger (a guy who fit the age group of the core) at the TD, he was forced to let that winger walk because of prior commitments made to players in the bottom of the lineup - the place where good teams don't typically commit their money.  Does this guy seem like he knows what he's doing?  Does he seem like he'll be responsible going forward?  You might look at J.T. Miller and say he made a great move there (he did) but that's only because the team didn't end up surrendering the potential lottery pick.  Ask yourself, if a team had missed the playoffs 5 out 6 seasons, would it have been responsible to move a 1st for 50 pt winger?  It worked out the best way it could have here but there was massive potential for it to have backfired.

 

The patience has run thin for Benning and rightfully so, he hasn't done much beyond the bare minimum (drafting in the top 10) for the team.

[Elias Pettersson]

12 minutes ago, Silky mitts said:

Benning has built a mediocre team and shown an inability to surround it with the right pieces . He sucks . 

So the core sucks then?  Should a new GM come in then and trade Petey, Hughes, Demko and Boeser?

[Bad_BOI_pete]

17 minutes ago, Cromeslab said:

I dunno we’ll see what happens if Podz comes in we look pretty good imo just need to structure D 

You honestly think a rookie who hasn't played NA hockey is going to tilt the needle? the amount of luck we going to need to win 15 out of 19 or say 12 out of 19 and mtl to play .400 hockey is 5 leaf clover kinda luck.

[Devron]

2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

So the core sucks then?  Should a new GM come in then and trade Petey, Hughes, Demko and Boeser?

The guys just sad maybe just leave him be

[Silky mitts]

2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

So the core sucks then?  Should a new GM come in then and trade Petey, Hughes, Demko and Boeser?

What? Our core pieces are the only good thing about this team. Good gms are able to surround them with good talent and a well fleshed out roster , that is what makes a contender . This trade deadline will show if he has learned anything from his past incompetence or is still a day to day gm .

[Bad_BOI_pete]

4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

So the core sucks then?  Should a new GM come in then and trade Petey, Hughes, Demko and Boeser?

if the canucks miss on draft picks 2/3 times in the next 3 years, yes some of these players will need to be traded.

[Elias Pettersson]

Just now, Silky mitts said:

What? Our core pieces are the only good thing about this team. Good gms are able to surround them with good talent and a well fleshed out roster , that is what makes a contender . This trade deadline will show if he has learned anything from his past incompetence or is still a day to day gm .

Good GM's are also able to draft a good core.  That's what Benning has done.  Drafting a good core is much harder than signing and trading for bottom 6 players and 3rd pairing defencemen.  Benning has taken this ship close to the dock.  He should be allowed to drive it in and park it.

[Dazzle]

8 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

So the core sucks then?  Should a new GM come in then and trade Petey, Hughes, Demko and Boeser?

Just seems like ppl complain about our roster not being good enough, but blame the GM without a plan to make it better.

[Cromeslab]

Yee!haha!

[ilduce39]

Whelp it was a nice run.  Hopefully the boys use this little break to reset and management can look to make some moves for next year... some modest selling, “hockey” trades, trying to leverage the expansion draft.  Lots of work to be done, on and off the ice.

[Bad_BOI_pete]

12 minutes ago, Alain Vigneault said:

I appreciate the effort to provide a lengthy post here and I think your plea comes from an honest place.  With that said, we have to look at some things.

 

1.  Benning has been on the job for nearly 7 years.  Suits and ties in the NHL don't usually get that long, and they certainly don't get there without some sort of visible, tangible success.  In 7 years, what are Benning's accomplishments?  2 playoff appearances (one of which a "play-in") and...some picks in the top 10?  Is that worthy enough for you to warrant a tenure that long?

 

2.  You ask for more time but does he deserve it?  Sure, he drafted this core but how has he supported them to date?  Well, just this past off-season, he let a proven starting goalie walk in favour for an unproven starting goalie, he let a pair of reliable defencemen walk without getting enough adequate replacements, and after trading a high draft pick and B+ level prospect for a young, top 6 winger (a guy who fit the age group of the core) at the TD, he was forced to let that winger walk because of prior commitments made to players in the bottom of the lineup - the place where good teams don't typically commit their money.  Does this guy seem like he knows what he's doing?  Does he seem like he'll be responsible going forward?  You might look at J.T. Miller and say he made a great move there (he did) but that's only because the team didn't end up surrendering the potential lottery pick.  Ask yourself, if a team had missed the playoffs 5 out 6 seasons, would it have been responsible to move a 1st for 50 pt winger?  It worked out the best way it could have here but there was massive potential for it to have backfired.

 

The patience has run thin for Benning and rightfully so, he hasn't done much beyond the bare minimum (drafting in the top 10) for the team.

if he doesn't restock the cupboard this year, it will be one of his greatest mistakes, at this point there can even be a case to trade horvat,miller schmidt

[Wolfgang Durst]

11 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Good GM's are also able to draft a good core.  That's what Benning has done.  Drafting a good core is much harder than signing and trading for bottom 6 players and 3rd pairing defencemen.  Benning has taken this ship close to the dock.  He should be allowed to drive it in and park it.

Oh wait, it's harder to draft the right players with some top 10 picks than signing and trading for bottom 6 players and 3 rd pairing D-Men. No. No. Fully disagree with this one.

Handing generous contracts with way too much term to the likes of Beagle and Roussel was poor negotiation from Jim and or his team.

Edited March 25, 2021 by Wolfgang Durst

[ilduce39]

14 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

Just seems like ppl complain about our roster not being good enough, but blame the GM without a plan to make it better.

It’s always way easier to criticize than to create.  
 

I think it’s a coin flip whether JB keeps his job or not if they don’t make the playoffs... and I don’t think it makes much of a difference whether he stays or not.  With the young core and cap situation the path of the franchise is pretty set in the immediate future.  For me, success hinges as much on an internal growth / leadership / coaching challenge as it does with management.

Edited March 25, 2021 by ilduce39