73 Percent Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) Newsflash We suck. Changes are coming. I know this. You know this. It's inevitable. I want to know what you THINK will happen first then I want to know what changes YOU would make first. This is be a gm mode and you're in control. Note to mods: I didn't see a topic like this (not that I looked hard). I never make new topics so FTW. Edit: added president hire to voting options. Edited November 25, 2021 by 73 Percent 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 I mean, I would say coaching but they really seem to want to ride this train. Then I would say assets but (a) they are cap strung and (b) I'm not sure Benning is even allowed to make trades at this point. I don't need an ownership change. They guy spends to the cap and what more can you really ask for. I think it will probably ultimately be a clean sweep (coaching and GM) like what happened when Benning himself came on board. At least in fairly quick succession one after the other. If something actually happens during the year it will be the coach from the above options. Benning will be under orders not to trade the first rounder and then he'll probably walk the plank too if the team is still this bad at the end of the year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 New Coach First. Then GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 I think changes are coming soon. This time they need a real GM. There should be a fair amount of interest in this job. We have some solid young talent to build around . We also need a proven coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rubik Posted November 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2021 23 minutes ago, vannuck59 said: New Coach First. Then GM. that's just a horrible idea. let the new GM have a say on who will coach his team. i firmly believe that's the only way it makes sense. 1 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 I can tell you that whatever coach they do hire I hope it's one with NHL HC experience. No more rookies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 I chose coaching change in both choices. I think that's the only way to do it, even though I don't think it's ideal. I still have no doubt that the players that are assembled on this team are good enough to succeed - I think they've just given up on playing for this coach (who I actually still like, despite it being his time to go). With a new coach one would expect that these players can get things moving in the right direction despite the obvious flaws/holes in the makeup of the team. At that point unfortunately we'd still be screwed, because I don't think Benning has the ability to fix what still needs to be fixed. So then we'd still have to fire the GM who at that point would be looking a little better if we were winning above .500, so it probably just wouldn't happen. And if it did, the new GM would want his own coach in short order. So I guess honestly I think we should fire the GM, but it just seems like it would be a looong timeframe between that point and when the GM could choose his new coach and when he could fix the lineup problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Durst Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 hour ago, 73 Percent said: Newsflash We suck. Changes are coming. I know this. You know this. It's inevitable. I want to know what you THINK will happen first then I want to know what changes YOU would make first. This is be a gm mode and you're in control. Note to mods: I didn't see a topic like this (not that I looked hard). I never make new topics so FTW. I LOVE being in the GM mode. That's my favourite thing to do. Thanks for putting me into the driver seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlinkas wrister Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 If Benning's on thin ice any change of coach would just be an interim appointment. Don't see the big coaches available jumping at that choice without long term contract protection, which I also don't see the owner agreeing to. Be careful what you wish for, all signs point to another inexperienced/ rookie coach if Green is cut loose imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Ownership change, FYI I'm buying the Canucks. I think GM and coach will both go at the same time IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR7 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 We need a GM that can competently build a winning team, spending to the cap is great, if you are spending on the right pieces. This off season seemed like GMJB was finally going in the right direction, then the season started... This isn't solely on the GM, coach Green needs to be able to get the player ready to play, that clearly hasn't happened. Should have another option, clean house. Only coach I would keep is Ian Clark, maybe Brad Shaw, but if Shaw runs PP/PK I think he needs to go as well as they are both disasters. Could our issues be player related, toxic locker room? Sure, but if that is the case I would rather have someone new with an unbiased opinion come in and make the right changes to fix whatever is broken, no more lip stick on a pig from current management/coaching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Hire a President to evaluate and make effective change. Igor Larionov 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V12 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Aqua needs to find a president for the club. Then the new guy needs to clean house. the team needs a new direction and vision which come from the top. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Please add President hire to the poll. It's the first thing that should be done. Then hire a new GM, who can hire a new coach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, Alflives said: Hire a President to evaluate and make effective change. Igor Larionov I agree a new President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, 73 Percent said: Newsflash We suck. Changes are coming. I know this. You know this. It's inevitable. I want to know what you THINK will happen first then I want to know what changes YOU would make first. This is be a gm mode and you're in control. Note to mods: I didn't see a topic like this (not that I looked hard). I never make new topics so FTW. If i'm the GM i'd be firing the coach. And interviewing Torts or trying to get him back. I'd also resign and recommend that the club hire a President. That's the correct thing to do JB. I'd also be pretty sad that all that off season work didn't work out... but hope like the good work Nonis did, that in then near future the club could turn a corner. Edited November 25, 2021 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, IBatch said: Please add President hire to the poll. It's the first thing that should be done. Then hire a new GM, who can hire a new coach. Done 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 So I like this topic because its decision-focused. So there's 3 camps of ideas, what you want to do first, what you should do first and what you can do first. Green has not done a good enough job to retain that job, I think thats clear and justifiable. Benning has assembled a decent core that should at least be a .500 club, maybe competing for a wildcard if all went well, but he has a meh overall history. Ownership is not changing. The team is demoralized and I do think we are at risk of guys wanting out. So if ^ this is accurate: 1. Green should be fired today. We can easily do this now and it also should be done now. 2. Benning and Weisbord both have to move on. This is much harder to accomplish as there is no president to take over in the meantime. We do have Chris Gear to temporarily step up if we have candidates in the funnel already and its a matter or a week or two to get an experienced GM in place. 3. Ownership isn't going anywhere. 4. No big trades unless its a true hockey deal that improves the team. Very hard to do even under the best circumstances. We also don't know yet if this is a personnel or a coaching issue at heart. Green has to go today. We just don't have enough knowledge to know what an experienced NHL coach can do with this team. If we still suck, then we can look at personnel changes. A new GM may take until the off season to pull off. Owners are staying. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Fire Green today is a start, but that's what's so agonizing. It was so obvious weeks ago that the team was sinking. Firing Green then may have been the life jacket to cling onto. Fire him already. Most important, firing him and Baumer saves the youngsters on this team from anymore scarring. I fear what these clowns will leave behind as damage. At this point I want Shaw and the entire bench staff turfed. Ian Clark stays, that's it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanleyCupOneDay Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) 3 Step (if needed) program Step 1) Fire Green immediately. Step 2) Install Shaw as interim head coach. Give him until the end of the season to turn things around. Step 3) 1 of 2 possibilities: Either give Shaw the job if he performs well or if he doesn’t hire a new experienced NHL coach. P.S. Fire Benning at the end of next season if we’re out of the playoffs race and give a new GM the chance to create his own vision of the team from top to bottom. If the problem is the coach then it will be shown in our results this year or next year. If it’s the GM it will be shown in our results next year. I still want to see how this team does under a NHL caliber coach, but unfortunately I doubt that’s happening this season. P.P.S In the future we evaluate job performance and decide whether to keep or fire people based on that year’s results only and not past success. Edited November 25, 2021 by StanleyCupOneDay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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