[Rumour] Bo Horvat Trade/Contract Talks

[flickyoursedin]

Just now, Alflives said:

That’s a rebuilding type trade where we for sure take a step back in hopes those two young guys de elope into better players. 

I want us to make these kinds of trades for a better future than the current present, but don’t think our owner wants to go that direction. 

It isn’t really a rebuild move though. I mean maybe in the sense that Boqvist is out with a broken foot so wouldn’t be on the roster for a bit. However you’re subtracting one roster player for 2 roster players and Boqvist playing the position of our biggest need. Boqvist is 22 and Roslovic is 25 so it’s not like getting picks and prospects you’re getting 2 roster players for 1 roster player. Any other trade for Horvat is likely from a contending team that won’t want to part with roster players with upside they’ll want to go for the cup and give you nothing but picks, prospects and salary matchers.

[Alflives]

8 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said:

It isn’t really a rebuild move though. I mean maybe in the sense that Boqvist is out with a broken foot so wouldn’t be on the roster for a bit. However you’re subtracting one roster player for 2 roster players and Boqvist playing the position of our biggest need. Boqvist is 22 and Roslovic is 25 so it’s not like getting picks and prospects you’re getting 2 roster players for 1 roster player. Any other trade for Horvat is likely from a contending team that won’t want to part with roster players with upside they’ll want to go for the cup and give you nothing but picks, prospects and salary matchers.

Don’t know if I like those two players, but the concept is good.  

[wai_lai416]

if horvat is going to be traded 0 chance it's going to be a sign and trade. he's going to slowly take his time and discuss with his family before deciding where he's going to sign. 

[Junkyard Dog]

2 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

if horvat is going to be traded 0 chance it's going to be a sign and trade. he's going to slowly take his time and discuss with his family before deciding where he's going to sign. 

We're also likely to mainly get picks/prospects out of the deal. No playoff team will want to lose an impact player for him during their run. Neither would teams looking to get over the hump and into the playoffs. 

[Knucklehd]

8 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

We're also likely to mainly get picks/prospects out of the deal. No playoff team will want to lose an impact player for him during their run. Neither would teams looking to get over the hump and into the playoffs. 

Pick and a prospect at best, maybe a depth roster player as well.  Have to remember, he's a rental.  I really don't want to lose him though.

Edited November 7, 2022 by Knucklehd

[Gurn]

Top 15 centers Bo will be competing with as a free agent:

. Jonathan Toews	CHI	35	C	Left	12	7	2	9	0.75	1	23	0.30	16:55	-	-	-	-	-	NMC	UFA	$10,500,000	$6,900,000
2. Ryan O'Reilly	STL	32	C	Left	9	1	0	1	0.11	-12	20	0.05	18:24	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$7,500,000	$6,000,000
3. Sean Monahan	MTL	28	C, LW, RW	Left	12	2	4	6	0.50	-2	23	0.09	17:07	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC	UFA	$6,375,000	$6,000,000
4. Dylan Larkin	DET	26	C	Left	11	6	8	14	1.27	4	29	0.21	20:16	-	-	-	-	-	NTC	UFA	$6,100,000	$5,250,000
5. Pierre-Luc Dubois	WPG	25	C	Left	11	5	5	10	0.91	-2	34	0.15	17:44	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$6,000,000	$6,000,000
6. Jordan Staal	CAR	34	C, LW	Left	11	1	2	3	0.27	0	11	0.09	15:20	-	-	-	-	-	NMC	UFA	$6,000,000	$6,000,000
7. Bo Horvat	VAN	28	C	Left	12	10	4	14	1.17	-1	43	0.23	20:32	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$5,500,000	$4,450,000
8. J.T. Compher	COL	28	C, RW	Right	11	1	1	2	0.18	-1	13	0.08	17:01	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$3,500,000	$3,500,000
9. Dylan Strome	WSH	26	C, LW	Left	13	2	7	9	0.69	-3	21	0.10	18:05	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$3,500,000	$3,500,000
10. Lars Eller	WSH	34	C	Left	13	2	3	5	0.38	-1	17	0.12	15:04	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$3,500,000	$3,000,000
11. Pius Suter	DET	27	C, LW	Left	10	2	2	4	0.40	-1	16	0.13	12:36	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$3,250,000	$3,750,000
12. Roope Hintz	DAL	26	C, LW	Left	12	5	11	16	1.33	10	24	0.21	16:07	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$3,150,000	$4,450,000
13. Max Domi	CHI	28	C, LW	Left	12	4	3	7	0.58	-1	17	0.24	17:50	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$3,000,000	$3,000,000
14. Oskar Sundqvist	DET	29	C, RW	Right	6	1	4	5	0.83	-2	6	0.17	15:40	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$2,750,000	$3,000,000
15. Patrice Bergeron	BOS	37	C	Right	12	4	6	10	0.83	9	37	0.11	18:08	-	-	-	-	-	NMC	UFA	$2,500,000	$2,500,000

[Coconuts]

29 minutes ago, gurn said:

Top 15 centers Bo will be competing with as a free agent:

. Jonathan Toews	CHI	35	C	Left	12	7	2	9	0.75	1	23	0.30	16:55	-	-	-	-	-	NMC	UFA	$10,500,000	$6,900,000
2. Ryan O'Reilly	STL	32	C	Left	9	1	0	1	0.11	-12	20	0.05	18:24	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$7,500,000	$6,000,000
3. Sean Monahan	MTL	28	C, LW, RW	Left	12	2	4	6	0.50	-2	23	0.09	17:07	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC	UFA	$6,375,000	$6,000,000
4. Dylan Larkin	DET	26	C	Left	11	6	8	14	1.27	4	29	0.21	20:16	-	-	-	-	-	NTC	UFA	$6,100,000	$5,250,000
5. Pierre-Luc Dubois	WPG	25	C	Left	11	5	5	10	0.91	-2	34	0.15	17:44	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$6,000,000	$6,000,000
6. Jordan Staal	CAR	34	C, LW	Left	11	1	2	3	0.27	0	11	0.09	15:20	-	-	-	-	-	NMC	UFA	$6,000,000	$6,000,000
7. Bo Horvat	VAN	28	C	Left	12	10	4	14	1.17	-1	43	0.23	20:32	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$5,500,000	$4,450,000
8. J.T. Compher	COL	28	C, RW	Right	11	1	1	2	0.18	-1	13	0.08	17:01	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$3,500,000	$3,500,000
9. Dylan Strome	WSH	26	C, LW	Left	13	2	7	9	0.69	-3	21	0.10	18:05	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$3,500,000	$3,500,000
10. Lars Eller	WSH	34	C	Left	13	2	3	5	0.38	-1	17	0.12	15:04	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$3,500,000	$3,000,000
11. Pius Suter	DET	27	C, LW	Left	10	2	2	4	0.40	-1	16	0.13	12:36	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$3,250,000	$3,750,000
12. Roope Hintz	DAL	26	C, LW	Left	12	5	11	16	1.33	10	24	0.21	16:07	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$3,150,000	$4,450,000
13. Max Domi	CHI	28	C, LW	Left	12	4	3	7	0.58	-1	17	0.24	17:50	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$3,000,000	$3,000,000
14. Oskar Sundqvist	DET	29	C, RW	Right	6	1	4	5	0.83	-2	6	0.17	15:40	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$2,750,000	$3,000,000
15. Patrice Bergeron	BOS	37	C	Right	12	4	6	10	0.83	9	37	0.11	18:08	-	-	-	-	-	NMC	UFA	$2,500,000	$2,500,000

And you can more than likely knock some of those off. 

 

Bergeron won't play anywhere else, assuming he comes back. I'd be a bit surprised if Toews did too, though I question whether I'd call him a top center nowadays. He's off to a better start this season. Still a shorter term option at best.

 

I reckon Staal re-signs for less and just slots in as Carolina's 3C. What Monahan is at this point is anyone's guess, too early to tell. Could be appealing to some teams if he manages to bounce back. 

 

Dubois is a pending team controlled RFA who'll likely either be re-signed or traded. Same goes for Hintz, but I think Dallas simply re-signs him. 

 

ROR will definitely draw interest based on his being a defensive center with a history of production, he's off to a bad start though. 

 

Larkin is interesting, hard to say whether he extends with Detroit or not. Him and Horvat would likely be the most appealing of the bunch given their ages imo. I'd rank every other center I haven't mentioned behind both of them. 

 

Lot of teams could use a legit 2C, there'd be no shortage of interest in Bo as a UFA if he's eventually inclined to explore the market. 

Edited November 7, 2022 by Coconuts

[cripplereh]

Me the NYI trade Bo,BB and Schenn  plus a 3rd for Dobson,Pageau or Cizikis or however you spell it plus a 2nd which becomes a 1st if Bo resigns.  

 

3 for two and trade picks. 

[wai_lai416]

2 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said:

We're also likely to mainly get picks/prospects out of the deal. No playoff team will want to lose an impact player for him during their run. Neither would teams looking to get over the hump and into the playoffs. 

which is why i said if we are moving horvat then you need to look at moving miller and start the rebuild now and do it sooner so we get better draft position even if we don't win the lottery. the prospect/picks more than likely won't be ready for another 2-3 years and the picks 3-5 years since it's gonna be late ones.. and with the way canuck luck is with trades.. all the prospect will end up as duds.. when was the last time the canucks traded for a prospect/picks/project and it ended up working for them? and the pick likely in the 20+ range.. what 20+ picks ended up working out for the team long term? boeser who's getting run out of town lol? or demko who can't even let in 2 goal or less once this season. or hoglander who's riding the press box? move horvat should be and must be accompanied by move miller.. it's stupid and ridiculous to think this team have a chance to compete within the next 2-3 years without a solid 2c and 3c.. no you are not getting a 2c back in a horvat trade it's gonna be more like whatever the hell ranger offered for miller. Miller who was worth considerable more than horvat last year can't even get you a RHD.. now all of a sudden horvat will get u a young top 4 rhd a 1st and more lol. 

 

if we move Miller only the team at least still have a 1c and 2c to build around and use the 8mil cap space or maybe more if we move boeser too to go hunt RHD from cap strapped team.. moving horvat you have to pray Miller can play C and be effective.. he's never shown he is a good center in his entire career.. he doesn't do any of the center responsibility other than faceoff. so i rather not take the chance and just move both..

 

for me it's either move miller and maybe boeser and use the whatever capital u gain out of it + draft picks to hunt a top 4 rhd somewhere from cap strap teams.. or move both horvat and miller this year move ep next year and start the rebuild now. those that thinks we can easily go find a Horvat lite and replace him is being delusional and straight up under appreciate horvat or just hate him coz they are a miller homer. and wanted horvat gone all summer.

[Coconuts]

1 hour ago, cripplereh said:

Me the NYI trade Bo,BB and Schenn  plus a 3rd for Dobson,Pageau or Cizikis or however you spell it plus a 2nd which becomes a 1st if Bo resigns.  

 

3 for two and trade picks. 

They aren't trading Dobson, he's their #1D and they just re-signed him to a great value deal. Plus they've already got Barzal and Nelson down the middle, both of whom are producing. Dobson and Romanov are the future of their D, it's highly unlikely either goes anywhere.

[cripplereh]

34 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

They aren't trading Dobson, he's their #1D and they just re-signed him to a great value deal. Plus they've already got Barzal and Nelson down the middle, both of whom are producing. Dobson and Romanov are the future of their D, it's highly unlikely either goes anywhere.

Do you know that as fact? The Islanders want to win now like the flames and this trade gets them better which would make their owners happy plus the fans. 

 

I think they would give it a good thought and say yes.

[Coconuts]

41 minutes ago, cripplereh said:

Do you know that as fact? The Islanders want to win now like the flames and this trade gets them better which would make their owners happy plus the fans. 

 

I think they would give it a good thought and say yes.

I know top end RD, especially young ones, are a helluva lot harder to find that top six centers, even ones like Horvat. I strongly doubt the Isles are gonna mortgage their defensive future, particularly given how strong the East has been this season.

 

They're not even a playoff guarantee let alone a contender. 

[wai_lai416]

8 hours ago, Coconuts said:

I know top end RD, especially young ones, are a helluva lot harder to find that top six centers, even ones like Horvat. I strongly doubt the Isles are gonna mortgage their defensive future, particularly given how strong the East has been this season.

 

They're not even a playoff guarantee let alone a contender. 

lol they are overvaluing our players and undervaluing others as usual. islanders have barzal at 9+ mil next year nelson at 6mil they really going to trade for horvat and pay him 7.5+? 23 24mil for 3 centers? they were prolly more interested in Miller because he can play wing.. and now no choice but to play wing.. they literally have 0 need for horvat with nelson producing pretty much the same as horvat except he's older.. and horvat ain't going to be playing wings.

[JM_]

20 hours ago, Coconuts said:

So was I but despite it being too early to actually judge their body of work I'm losing confidence in them. 

 

And I think so, I don't see addressing the D as a short term project. I think going out and chasing a big money UFA in Severson would probably be a mistake given his age and where he'll fit with the young core. 

 

Maybe, still too early to judge Bear or what he is. 

 

The longer the Bo bit drags on the more likely I think it is he's gone, if things continue to go down the tubes I genuinely question whether he'll want to stay when he could just go and hop in somewhere more competitive. Somewhere not eying a potential rebuild or retool. If he goes it should signal a teardown, at which point Miller should also go because he doesn't line up with the competitive timeline of a rebuild. 

 

Dunno, we're still in limbo. I think trying to squeeze water from the stone that is the veteran part of this core is probably a mistake though. 

 

That's an issue too though, it could drive players away. Or make guys want out. 

well, maybe Bo makes the decision for them. If Bo walks I do think thats where Petey asks out as well. 

[HKSR]

2 minutes ago, JM_ said:

well, maybe Bo makes the decision for them. If Bo walks I do think thats where Petey asks out as well. 

I don't think he'll get that far.  If he's not re-signed by TDL, he'll be moved for anything we can get.

[JM_]

13 minutes ago, HKSR said:

I don't think he'll get that far.  If he's not re-signed by TDL, he'll be moved for anything we can get.

if thats how it plays out, Aqua picked the wrong PHO. We shouldn't be in that kind of position where you can't maximize the return on someone as high quality as Bo.

[HKSR]

14 minutes ago, JM_ said:

if thats how it plays out, Aqua picked the wrong PHO. We shouldn't be in that kind of position where you can't maximize the return on someone as high quality as Bo.

The way things are going, I could see that playing out.  Trading him right now signals to the rest of the team they've given up on this season.  Re-signing him would be extremely costly right now as he's on a serious hot streak.  They really screwed themselves by not getting this done before the season started, but who knows, maybe if Bo had his fat new contract he wouldn't be playing as hard as he is now.

[JM_]

8 minutes ago, HKSR said:

The way things are going, I could see that playing out.  Trading him right now signals to the rest of the team they've given up on this season.  Re-signing him would be extremely costly right now as he's on a serious hot streak.  They really screwed themselves by not getting this done before the season started, but who knows, maybe if Bo had his fat new contract he wouldn't be playing as hard as he is now.

I think he would be. Bo's been so consistent over his time here I think we'd be seeing this version of him, he's just finally got better line mates. 

[higgyfan]

Despite how well Bo is playing thus far, I still think Miller has more value in a trade, due to having a contract.

A couple of possibilities are Boston and Columbus, but there are others as well.

 

 

[wai_lai416]

2 hours ago, HKSR said:

The way things are going, I could see that playing out.  Trading him right now signals to the rest of the team they've given up on this season.  Re-signing him would be extremely costly right now as he's on a serious hot streak.  They really screwed themselves by not getting this done before the season started, but who knows, maybe if Bo had his fat new contract he wouldn't be playing as hard as he is now.

oh you mean like the guy that you were banging your drums on all summer