[Rumour] Bo Horvat Trade/Contract Talks

[Mustard Tiger]

Just now, ilduce39 said:

Necas is at a PPG as well.  Why would canes even do him 1 for 1?

Necas is a perimeter player...Honestly not what we need to be spending a good chunk on again imo

 

But I have no idea, All I know is canes fans get mad when you suggest poaching him

[Ted Lasso]

1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said:

I don’t understand how he ever thinks that’s a good idea, seeing as how it’s ended up resulting in a goal against. 

Agreed, it’s become the most predictable part of a fairly predictable power play. I expect to see more of them picked off.

[48MPHSlapShot]

2 hours ago, EdgarM said:

Just  like we have every reason to not want him back. He has done nothing for us and this is the very thing that bothers me. We worship all of these type of guys and we still have no Championship. So we still want to give him any amount of money he is asking for? I want Miller gone too but at least he took a pay cut to sign, that is not what is happening here, yet he is scoring at an unbelievable pace that we have not seen in almost a decade he's been here. 

I will pass and I would be happy if we got a Hansen or a Burrows as a replacement.

One player doesn't make a team. Fact is that the Canucks have failed to build a winning team around Bo 7 out of the 9 years he's been here. He has no reason to do this franchise any favors.

[higgyfan]

17 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:

Necas is at a PPG as well.  Why would canes even do him 1 for 1?

Necas is having a breakout year, but as a RW; not a C.  The Jackets may want Bo, but

the Nucks really don't want another RW (unless the plan is to flip him for a player that fills

a role they need.

[PhillipBlunt]

1 minute ago, Kenny Powers said:

Agreed, it’s become the most predictable part of a fairly predictable power play. I expect to see more of them picked off.

Likewise. It’s happened so often that teams factor it in to their penalty kill strategy. 

[ShawnAntoski]

4 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

True. Even if this new management group is canned within three years, they’ll be replaced with another group that’s content on maintaining more of the same mediocre status quo that results in this team doing nothing and going nowhere. 

Yeah, good chance the current FO will scapegoated. 

 

SHORT TERMED CONTRACT TO FO STAFF = SHORTSIGHTED GAMBLES, FOR A COTRACT...   

 

I agree, the current "win now" strategies will not lead to a cup but we can all enjoy, the regular season accomplishments.

Edited December 13, 2022 by ShawnAntoski

[PhillipBlunt]

Just now, 48MPHSlapShot said:

One player doesn't make a team. Fact is that the Canucks have failed to build a winning team around Bo 7 out of the 9 years he's been here. He has no reason to do this franchise any favors.

Completely. Anyone thinking that Horvat should make with the hometown discount is kidding themselves. No player owes management that at this point. 

[PhillipBlunt]

Just now, ShawnAntoski said:

Yeah, good chance the current FO will scapegoated. 

 

SHORT TERMED CONTRACT TO FO STAFF = SHORTSIGHTED GAMBLES, FOR A COTRACT...   

 

I agree, the current "win now" strategies will not lead to a cup...

These win now strategies are nothing more than bandaids on a gaping wound. 

[ShawnAntoski]

Just now, PhillipBlunt said:

Completely. Anyone thinking that Horvat should make with the hometown discount is kidding themselves. No player owes management that at this point. 

It is a business but their will be exceptions...

[Harold Drunken]

1 hour ago, aGENT said:

Guys (and teams/GM's) sign these sort of deals EVERY year though. Look at just Huberdeau and Gaudreau this summer. As much as I'd like us to move off Miller, win now teams very much understand that the back half of those deals aren't going to be great. But given they're outside of their contention window, they don't really care. In fact, by comparison, Miller's actually signed to a good, below market value deal. As I stated.

 

Do you think teams like CAL, WAS, PIT, NYI etc actually care that the last 3'ish years are going to be poor value? 

Yeah for sure those deals get signed often. Difference is those teams have or had a championship window when those contracts were signed. I still don't believe anyone in management thought this team was in a position to win/contend now. I know his contract is 8 years but JTs window to be the man is right now not 5 years from now.They could have waited to see how the team performed this year before signing JT to an extension too...of course you risk injury or his production falling off hurting value etc. 

[cripplereh]

I for one love Bo as our captain.

 

If he rejected a good offer then we need to get the best deal possible.

 

So far signing Brock and Miller is done so get over it.

 

We know we need to make thus team better and it starts with both Brock and Bo being traded 

 

I think we can still get back two decent players with a high pick in trades,just hope one us a rhd that can play with QH.

 

That is what this team needs more then anything.

 

If we need another center then another trade or ufa in the summer and maybe just maybe we can be better next year.

[PhillipBlunt]

Just now, Harold Drunken said:

Yeah for sure those deals get signed often. Difference is those teams have or had a championship window when those contracts were signed. I still don't believe anyone in management thought this team was in a position to win/contend now. I know his contract is 8 years but JTs window to be the man is right now not 5 years from now.They could have waited to see how the team performed this year before signing JT to an extension too...of course you risk injury or his production falling off hurting value etc. 

True. What was the rush with Miller? What was it that made them decide to give him a new contract well before necessary?

[Jester13]

Just now, PhillipBlunt said:

True. What was the rush with Miller? What was it that made them decide to give him a new contract well before necessary?

Offseason optimism.

[aGENT]

1 minute ago, Harold Drunken said:

Yeah for sure those deals get signed often. Difference is those teams have or had a championship window when those contracts were signed. I still don't believe anyone in management thought this team was in a position to win/contend now. I know his contract is 8 years but JTs window to be the man is right now not 5 years from now.They could have waited to see how the team performed this year before signing JT to an extension too...of course you risk injury or his production falling off hurting value etc. 

Preaching to the choir. I wanted him gone last spring. He made no sense for us to extend here.

 

Doesn't mean that at +/-1PPG power forward who can win draws/play C in a pinch, and is on expiring bargain deal, with a below market extension is "untradeable". Again, "win now" teams would be thrilled to add that if we can make the cap work short term for them by retaining this year or taking back other salary.

[Baratheon]

12 minutes ago, R3aL said:

Which part ?

The rumored return.  I do remember hearing the same thing but I thought it was fan/media speculation.  Do you know if there is/was an actual report of what the offered return was?

[RWJC]

If Bo goes, so should half this team as well with him and give us an offseason to really restructure 

[MeanSeanBean]

1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said:

True. What was the rush with Miller? What was it that made them decide to give him a new contract well before necessary?

This is something I've been thinking about a lot recently. In the summer it just seemed like it was what it was. They had to sign him or trade him. Starting the season without a contract or deal just wasn't an option it seemed. But looking back now...why? Imagine this team having both players on expiring deals for the tdl? 

 

Could have kickstarted a rebuild in a massive way.

[stawns]

3 minutes ago, cripplereh said:

I for one love Bo as our captain.

 

If he rejected a good offer then we need to get the best deal possible.

 

So far signing Brock and Miller is done so get over it.

 

We know we need to make thus team better and it starts with both Brock and Bo being traded 

 

I think we can still get back two decent players with a high pick in trades,just hope one us a rhd that can play with QH.

 

That is what this team needs more then anything.

 

If we need another center then another trade or ufa in the summer and maybe just maybe we can be better next year.

There's no reason both Miller and BB6 can't be traded.  In fact, if you're going to deal Miller, this is the season to do it

[PhillipBlunt]

Just now, Jester13 said:

Offseason optimism.

Maybe. Personally, if it was me, I would have waited until probably around this point in the season to see where Miller was at to make a more informed decision.  

[aGENT]

2 hours ago, R3aL said:

So last summer we could have had:

 

Chytil

1st

and lundqvist could have flipped him for a 1st

 

for Miller 

 

and resigned Bo for 7.5/8 

think I would have done that or if Bo didn’t want to resign then we could have had that haul gone into this season without Miller flip Bo embrace a tanking year and get a haul for both miller and Horvat. 
 

very annoyed

 

Yup....AND could have used the cap space saved there, to add Marino for Rathbone +

 

Bo may have even come in closer to $7 in the summer, before scoring ALL the goals.

 

They F#%@'d this up.