Popular Post Roger Neilsons Towel Posted January 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2022 2 hours ago, guntrix said: Many fans here spent years defending Virtanen’s questionable acts for the simple reason that he was a Canuck and a hometown boy. So I certainly don’t think this team, nor its fans, are above Evander Kane. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Per Friedman the Sharks have support of the NHL. He was positive on 21 December and travelled to Vancouver on 29 December with the Sharks saying he didn’t have medical clearance to take that flight. They also say he was supposed to report to Barracuda on the 31st but only came back on the 6th. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Canucklehead53 said: There are always 3 truths: your truth, my truth and the real truth. If SUBSTANTIAL contract breaches occured and is in line with past precedent then fair enough. We have no choice but to support it. But if it is San Jose trying to avoid the cap penalties then not only the NHLPA but also the NHL better be looking very close at this. Just like we can't ignore Kane's history, we can't ignore the obvious incentive for San Jose. If they are trying to cheat, then the NHL better penalize them. If it is legitimate and in good faith then we all need to support it. My 2 cents anyway. And, to be fair, you're right. I don't think this is just your 2 cents here. There's obviously going to be Kane doing whatever he can to make himself look best. There's obviously going to be a corporation trying to get out of this in however best limelight they can (or at least the most profitable they feel). Everyone's going to be in it for themselves, even the NHL, and it's up to us individually to decypher it however way we deem fit in the end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, deus.ex.makina said: Seems so, that why we should be letting Kane side answers before judging. Its way in favor of SJ here. didn't LA end out paying after cutting Mike Richards loose under similar circumstances? LA is paying $900,000 for Richards this ear then 7-7-6-6 until 2027 actually it goes on until 2032 Mike Richards Contract, Cap Hit, Salary and Stats - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps Edited January 9, 2022 by lmm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, lmm said: didn't LA end out paying after cutting Mike Richards loose under similar circumstances? LA is paying $900,000 for Richards this ear then 7-7-6-6 until 2027 actually it goes on until 2032 Mike Richards Contract, Cap Hit, Salary and Stats - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps That’s right, they settled before arbitration IIRC. The Sharks aren’t free and clear of Kane yet and I wouldn’t be surprised if something similar happens here. It will depend on how confident SJ is that they can convince an arbitrator that it was a material breach of the player’s contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Probably be on the same PP unit as Jake Virtanen soon enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Dang, so he just loses $22.9 million, plus the Sharks (both the loan-making ones in Vegas and the team in SJ) will be against him in courts then? Wonder how he'll get out of the messes he's made. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 51 minutes ago, lmm said: didn't LA end out paying after cutting Mike Richards loose under similar circumstances? LA is paying $900,000 for Richards this ear then 7-7-6-6 until 2027 actually it goes on until 2032 Mike Richards Contract, Cap Hit, Salary and Stats - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps Good call, I totally forgot about Mike Richards. I'll be pretty pissed if Sharks are able to just walk away from Kane's cap hit. I don't care about how the money gets resolved, but after enduring 3 years of the Luongo's 3 million penalty, I don't want to see league playing favourites and letting Sharks get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Neilsons Towel Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said: Good call, I totally forgot about Mike Richards. I'll be pretty pissed if Sharks are able to just walk away from Kane's cap hit. I don't care about how the money gets resolved, but after enduring 3 years of the Luongo's 3 million penalty, I don't want to see league playing favourites and letting Sharks get away with it. C’mon brother. I’m still bitter about that too but that’s not even close to apples to apples. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 57 minutes ago, 4petesake said: That’s right, they settled before arbitration IIRC. The Sharks aren’t free and clear of Kane yet and I wouldn’t be surprised if something similar happens here. It will depend on how confident SJ is that they can convince an arbitrator that it was a material breach of the player’s contract. but wasn't Richards caught with cocaine? wouldn't that fall under the same breach of contract/ethics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 12 minutes ago, Roger Neilsons Towel said: C’mon brother. I’m still bitter about that too but that’s not even close to apples to apples. It should be apples and apples since both their contracts got/will be terminated. The only way that contracts disappear from the cap is if a player retires or there is a mutual termination as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 19 minutes ago, lmm said: but wasn't Richards caught with cocaine? wouldn't that fall under the same breach of contract/ethics Yeah it was oxycontin or something like that but that’s sort of the point. Even though Richards was charged with it LA still decided to settle with him rather than chancing it with an arbitrator. I’m not suggesting SJ doesn’t have a strong case (who really knows yet) but they might not want to risk getting stuck with the whole contract. I’ve got mixed feelings about it - love to see SJ taking the hit, hate to see EK getting money for nothing (and his chicks for free), mostly feel bad for his daughter. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 Once upon a time… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 11 hours ago, Coconuts said: There was never anything confirmed with Virtanen, that's still an ongoing police process, totally different scenario. If the Sharks are attempting to terminate a 20+ million dollar contract I'm assuming they've got something a bit more damning than speculation. Bingo. I am sure the Sharks have a lot of smart lawyers, and I am also sure the NHL brass has been kept in the loop about what the Sharks want to do with Kane. Simply breaching protocol isn't likely to be seen as reasonable grounds to void $20 million worth of salary. The NHLPA will rattle their sabres but in the end the only question is what will it cost to make him go away. The Sharks are betting on nothing, but we'll see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VegasCanuck Posted January 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2022 11 hours ago, on the cycle said: To be fair vaccine passports are criminal. They haven't even been deemed constitutional in the US and are being actively contested here in Canada. BTW I am full vaxx, just think this Covid stuff is complete BS. I'll pass your opinion on to the 14 people I know who have died, and my wife's cousin who at 50, is on permanent disability with brain damage from Covid. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 2 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Once upon a time… Images that precede unfortunate events Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) I was surprised that the Sharks didn't at least try this when Kane was caught using a fake vaccine card. That was a crime in itself, and possible grounds for contract termination. They probably wanted to, but were likely advised that it may not hold up. So instead, they likely gave him stern warnings and counsel, and documented everything. Then let him loose in the AHL, and bided their time until he screwed up again. Smart strategy, sure didn't take long. I don't think the Richards situation compares at all. He was caught with a pain killer; it was illegal as he wasn't prescribed it, but he could likely argue that it was to fight pain from a work injury, maybe even that he was addicted from being given the same substance by his employer. Plus it was a single incident, with no documented (that I know of) discipline or warnings on the matter. Kane's case is just collosal stupidity. The fact that he ignored the law twice, after getting stern discipline the first time, likely seals the deal. I doubt he gets a cent. Edited January 9, 2022 by D-Money 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweathog Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Good gawd, he really screwed this up. What does cancelling his contract mean for his debt? If his appeal loses, it must change his bankruptcy situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Salacious Crumb Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 16 hours ago, DeNiro said: Correct. How hard you fight for certain players is a different story. Wrong. The business rep and union lawyers better be doing their job to the best of their ability every day, all day. As a Teamster myself your comment is offensive. My father was a shop steward for decades and if you said that to him when he was alive you would have been doing the man dance on the spot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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