ShawnAntoski Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, chon derry said: Copied from a Minnesota news paper interestingly immediately after Yeo’s firing the team turned things around. “When the coach is an idiot, the team will fail.” “Mike Yeo didn’t succeed at Minnesota, he only lost time there. A similar situation is happening now. The team will not fight for such a coach. I saw them play, familiar with their system. This club should fight for the Stanley Cup, but, again, if the coach is an idiot, then you can forget about it. It seems to me that Yeo doesn’t understand anything at all in hockey. Unrestrained, unrestrained. I wouldn’t even trust the children’s team to him.” Cull & Yeo = Green. But I question, why Bruce allowed them to join. Has Bruce's already, checked out and is he being hamstrung, by the FO cause he is on his last year and the Canucks are tying out Yeo or Cull to be his replacement ? The BAD drama associated with the Francesco owned Canucks, is very different from when McCaw & Griffiths owned the team: both were hands off, for the most part and they were barely mentioned.. Edited October 23, 2022 by ShawnAntoski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fecklund Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Muttley said: Very much do not want to see him take over head coach of the Canucks.........Hard pass! This team might misses Scotty Walker. A 5th round pick that handed out knuckle sandwiches along with 400 points over 800 NHL games. You wanna talk "glue guys" ? He was a big loss. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 32 minutes ago, IBatch said: Anderson has always been a good goalie... other then that i agree. I was just thinking his age, he's doing great at this late stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Just now, ShawnAntoski said: Cull & Yeo = Green. But I question, why Bruce allowed them to join. Has Bruce's already, checked out and hamstrung by the FO cause he is on his last year and the Canucks are tying out Yeo or Cull to be his replacement ? The BAD associated with the Francesco owned Canucks, is very different from when McCaw & Griffiths owned the team: both were hands off, for the most part or they were barely mentioned.. If anything I think they would give Colliton the nod. Younger coach looking to get another shot in the NHL. Just needs to gain more experience. I would take him over Yeo any day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, fecklund said: That's the thing. Not only can he - he should. There's nothing wrong with being more colourful with your language to try and get out what you need to. Good, or bad. We all need to speak our minds. If people get offended or whatever so what? Year is 2022, not 1992 but good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, fecklund said: That's the thing. Not only can he - he should. There's nothing wrong with being more colourful with your language to try and get out what you need to. Good, or bad. We all need to speak our minds. If people get offended or whatever so what? Weird dichotomy these days. Everybody seems so easily offended yet the use of swear words on tv, social media ,even here on cdc has shot up. as little as 2 years ago posters when getting banned or suspended for fbombs. Now it’s all over. Not that I give a .uck or anything Edited October 23, 2022 by chon derry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaninMex Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 All of you saying that they need to blow it up etc... The team is good. Every game has felt like it was winnable. It is a mental trap that they are in right now. Once they get over this 600 win for Bruce, they will start winning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherCanucksFan Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 People have lost perspective, both on this year and Canuck's history. Reality - It's been SIX games out of 82 games. Why are people talking about trading a 99 point player after six games? Where is the fan support for the players and the team? How can fans think Miller is amazing after he got 99 points and then within six games say he should be traded? NOTE: Last year we had two coaches and Bruce Boudreau made us think we had returned to our glory years of Vigneault. Travis Green (8-15-2), Bruce Boudreau (32-15-10). Read below to check out key history of players and Coaches Reality - History matters. We can't just look at one year in isolation, because have been going through a few transitions over the past years. 2011 - we went from a Stanley Cup finalist Between 2011 to 2022, we went to the playoffs THREE times and we missed the playoffs 7 out of 12 times. There was a transition phase after the Canucks lost in the 2011 finals. In 2012, the team continued to have a very good regular season record ( 51-22-9 ), but lost in the first round in 4 games. It was clear to everyone that the team was DONE. 2013 was the shorted lockout season, but the teams season record dropped to just average and they lost again in 4 games in the first round. 2012 - the Canucks were going through the transition Roberto Luongo to Cory Schneider ( which didn't end up happening as we went to Markstrom). We still had the Sedins, Ryan Kesler, Alexander Burrows, Kevin Bieksa, Chris Tanev, and Dan Hamhuis. We had both Luongo and Schneider in goal. 2013 - Roberto Luongo still here, but we have Jacob Markstrom instead of Schneider in goal. 2014 - the Luongo era is over. who is replaced by another older goalie as Ryan Miller who were both 34, while Jacob Markstrom was 24. 2017 - the Sedins retire in 2017 at age 37. Note: we already had transitioned to some of our current players, but consider how young they were: Boeser ( 20 ), Horvat ( 22 ), and Demko ( 22 ). We still have Alexander Edler and Chris Tanev on D. 2018 - a very important transition year, because no Sedins, but the Quinn Hughes / Elias Pettersson era starts. Note that Quinn was 19 and Pettersson was 20. We have Tanner Pearson who was 26. 2019 - important addition on JT Miller ( 26 ) who does well with Pearson. Miller does well by getting 72 points in 69 games in his first Canucks year. JT Miller does similarly well in the 2019 Pandemic shortened season. We get Tyler Myers on D, but he's already 31 starting in Vancouver. 2020 - first year with Demko as starter and Markstrom is gone. JT Miller has a standout 99 point season. We get another young player in Nils Hoglander LW and he gets 27 points. We still have an often injured Alexander Edler ( 34 ) on D. 2021 - Vasily Podkolzin ( 20 ) and Conor Garland RW ( 25 ) join Canucks on RW. Note: we have Thatcher Demko, Jaroslav Halak, and Spencer Martin in goal. Oliver Ekman-Larsson joins on D at age 30. 2022 - Notable new additions are forwards: Andrei Kuzmenko ( 26 ) and Ilya Mikheyev ( 28 ) but also younger Nils Aman ( 21). FIVE years later and Boeser is 25 and Horvat is 27, so they are no longer at the beginning of their career and fans have higher expectations. Quinn Hughes is now 23 and Pettersson is 24. We have older Forwards with Pearson at 30, JT Miller at 29, and older D with Schenn at 33 and Myers at 32. NOTE: We've had 6 seasons of Boeser and Horvat, 5 seasons of Demko, 4 seasons of Hughes and Pettersson, 3 seasons of Myers and JT Miller - so I'm guessing that a lot of fans expected are higher as players have had several years to come together as a team. The point of looking at Canucks history is see player transitions on different positions, notice personnel changes and how that impacts team chemistry, and recognize how young / older players and where they are in their careers, and view regular and post season numbers and how it doesn't suddenly change in one year but is connected to player and coaches on the team. Note Coaching history: Alain Vigneault coached 7 years for Canucks 2006 - 2012. His record was much better than Tortorella, Desjardins, or Green with his lowest .612 and highest at .713. 5 of 7 years we went to the Playoffs and in 2011 we got to the Stanley Cup Finals. He was by far our best coach. John Tortorella coached 1 year 2013 around .500 Willie Desjardins coached the Canucks for 3 seasons 2014- 2016 was also about .500 but first year was exceptional at .616 and 2nd in our Division Travis Green 2017 - 2021, coaches the Canucks for 4 1/2 seasons. His overall record floated around .450 and never higher than 4th in our Division. Last year we had two coaches and Bruce Boudreau made us think we had returned to our glory years of Vigneault. Travis Green (8-15-2), Bruce Boudreau (32-15-10) 2014 to 2022 - we became just an AVERAGE team, hovering around a 500 winning team. In 2020 we were still an average team during regular season, but then we had a great run to the Semi-finals. Year Record Result 2022 40-30-12 Missed Playoffs 2021 23-29-4 Missed Playoffs 2020 36-27-6 Lost Conference Semi-Finals (Won 2 Rounds) 2019 35-36-11 Missed Playoffs 2018 31-40-11 Missed Playoffs 2017 30-43-9 Missed Playoffs 2016 31-38-13 Missed Playoffs 2015 48-29-5 Lost First Round (Won 0 Rounds) 2014 36-35-11 Missed Playoffs https://champsorchumps.us/team/nhl/vancouver-canucks https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/VAN/2022.html https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000392013.html Year Record Result 2022 40-30-12 Missed Playoffs 2021 23-29-4 Missed Playoffs 2020 36-27-6 Lost Conference Semi-Finals (Won 2 Rounds) 2019 35-36-11 Missed Playoffs 2018 31-40-11 Missed Playoffs 2017 30-43-9 Missed Playoffs 2016 31-38-13 Missed Playoffs 2015 48-29-5 Lost First Round (Won 0 Rounds) 2014 36-35-11 Missed Playoffs 2013 26-15-7 Lost First Round (Won 0 Rounds) 2012 51-22-9 Lost First Round (Won 0 Rounds) 2011 54-19-9 Lost Stanley Cup Final (Won 3 Rounds) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 39 minutes ago, DeNiro said: It certainly couldn’t have helped. Either way we’re relying on a 23 year old to be everything for us on D. That’s not his game. And somehow it’s been 3 years and we still haven’t found a partner other than Schenn for him? It’s pathetic. I've been waiting 5 years, well actually closer to 9 in theory for these guys to address the defence ... mainly the right side. I just can't get emotionally invested in stupid though. They've had long enough to do something. Anything, anything to show they care. Until they do it's hard for me pity them or feel I should support them without question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 minute ago, FaninMex said: All of you saying that they need to blow it up etc... The team is good. Every game has felt like it was winnable. It is a mental trap that they are in right now. Once they get over this 600 win for Bruce, they will start winning. Kudos for the positivity. Hope you’re right. Also hope a winning streak eventually means something when it comes to the playoff/wildcard race we are now going to inevitably be in again, and not just Fing up what could be a decent draft position in a great year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said: Huh. It's almost as if the team should have rebuilt when Gillis got fired and there were a ton of assets to trade for draft picks. Now we've wasted years. Done nothing but lose. Got into cap hell. Tied up old players to long trash contracts and have absolutely nobody in the prospect pool. That retool on the fly was a great idea there Aquaman & Benning. Idiots. Burn it all down. Start from scratch. Until this team loads up on draft picks and actually rebuilds properly I'm not spending another dime on a ticket or merchandise. Hindsight. Has Francesco gone through enough embarrassment to allow one ? Cause the roster he helped built with his very compliant GM, is still what the staff has to go with. The retooling gamble failed and Francesco and JB didn't have a backup plan cause his GM, was too busy sacrificing drafting & development for the present. NHL purgatory is the unintended result, if a clueless owner and a malleable GM, is in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, AnotherCanucksFan said: People have lost perspective, both on this year and Canuck's history. Reality - It's been SIX games out of 82 games. Why are people talking about trading a 99 point player after six games? Where is the fan support for the players and the team? How can fans think Miller is amazing after he got 99 points and then within six games say he should be traded? NOTE: Last year we had two coaches and Bruce Boudreau made us think we had returned to our glory years of Vigneault. Travis Green (8-15-2), Bruce Boudreau (32-15-10). Read below to check out key history of players and Coaches Reality - History matters. We can't just look at one year in isolation, because have been going through a few transitions over the past years. 2011 - we went from a Stanley Cup finalist Between 2011 to 2022, we went to the playoffs THREE times and we missed the playoffs 7 out of 12 times. There was a transition phase after the Canucks lost in the 2011 finals. In 2012, the team continued to have a very good regular season record ( 51-22-9 ), but lost in the first round in 4 games. It was clear to everyone that the team was DONE. 2013 was the shorted lockout season, but the teams season record dropped to just average and they lost again in 4 games in the first round. 2012 - the Canucks were going through the transition Roberto Luongo to Cory Schneider ( which didn't end up happening as we went to Markstrom). We still had the Sedins, Ryan Kesler, Alexander Burrows, Kevin Bieksa, Chris Tanev, and Dan Hamhuis. We had both Luongo and Schneider in goal. 2013 - Roberto Luongo still here, but we have Jacob Markstrom instead of Schneider in goal. 2014 - the Luongo era is over. who is replaced by another older goalie as Ryan Miller who were both 34, while Jacob Markstrom was 24. 2017 - the Sedins retire in 2017 at age 37. Note: we already had transitioned to some of our current players, but consider how young they were: Boeser ( 20 ), Horvat ( 22 ), and Demko ( 22 ). We still have Alexander Edler and Chris Tanev on D. 2018 - a very important transition year, because no Sedins, but the Quinn Hughes / Elias Pettersson era starts. Note that Quinn was 19 and Pettersson was 20. We have Tanner Pearson who was 26. 2019 - important addition on JT Miller ( 26 ) who does well with Pearson. Miller does well by getting 72 points in 69 games in his first Canucks year. JT Miller does similarly well in the 2019 Pandemic shortened season. We get Tyler Myers on D, but he's already 31 starting in Vancouver. 2020 - first year with Demko as starter and Markstrom is gone. JT Miller has a standout 99 point season. We get another young player in Nils Hoglander LW and he gets 27 points. We still have an often injured Alexander Edler ( 34 ) on D. 2021 - Vasily Podkolzin ( 20 ) and Conor Garland RW ( 25 ) join Canucks on RW. Note: we have Thatcher Demko, Jaroslav Halak, and Spencer Martin in goal. Oliver Ekman-Larsson joins on D at age 30. 2022 - Notable new additions are forwards: Andrei Kuzmenko ( 26 ) and Ilya Mikheyev ( 28 ) but also younger Nils Aman ( 21). FIVE years later and Boeser is 25 and Horvat is 27, so they are no longer at the beginning of their career and fans have higher expectations. Quinn Hughes is now 23 and Pettersson is 24. We have older Forwards with Pearson at 30, JT Miller at 29, and older D with Schenn at 33 and Myers at 32. NOTE: We've had 6 seasons of Boeser and Horvat, 5 seasons of Demko, 4 seasons of Hughes and Pettersson, 3 seasons of Myers and JT Miller - so I'm guessing that a lot of fans expected are higher as players have had several years to come together as a team. The point of looking at Canucks history is see player transitions on different positions, notice personnel changes and how that impacts team chemistry, and recognize how young / older players and where they are in their careers, and view regular and post season numbers and how it doesn't suddenly change in one year but is connected to player and coaches on the team. Note Coaching history: Alain Vigneault coached 7 years for Canucks 2006 - 2012. His record was much better than Tortorella, Desjardins, or Green with his lowest .612 and highest at .713. 5 of 7 years we went to the Playoffs and in 2011 we got to the Stanley Cup Finals. He was by far our best coach. John Tortorella coached 1 year 2013 around .500 Willie Desjardins coached the Canucks for 3 seasons 2014- 2016 was also about .500 but first year was exceptional at .616 and 2nd in our Division Travis Green 2017 - 2021, coaches the Canucks for 4 1/2 seasons. His overall record floated around .450 and never higher than 4th in our Division. Last year we had two coaches and Bruce Boudreau made us think we had returned to our glory years of Vigneault. Travis Green (8-15-2), Bruce Boudreau (32-15-10) 2014 to 2022 - we became just an AVERAGE team, hovering around a 500 winning team. In 2020 we were still an average team during regular season, but then we had a great run to the Semi-finals. Year Record Result 2022 40-30-12 Missed Playoffs 2021 23-29-4 Missed Playoffs 2020 36-27-6 Lost Conference Semi-Finals (Won 2 Rounds) 2019 35-36-11 Missed Playoffs 2018 31-40-11 Missed Playoffs 2017 30-43-9 Missed Playoffs 2016 31-38-13 Missed Playoffs 2015 48-29-5 Lost First Round (Won 0 Rounds) 2014 36-35-11 Missed Playoffs https://champsorchumps.us/team/nhl/vancouver-canucks https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/VAN/2022.html https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000392013.html Year Record Result 2022 40-30-12 Missed Playoffs 2021 23-29-4 Missed Playoffs 2020 36-27-6 Lost Conference Semi-Finals (Won 2 Rounds) 2019 35-36-11 Missed Playoffs 2018 31-40-11 Missed Playoffs 2017 30-43-9 Missed Playoffs 2016 31-38-13 Missed Playoffs 2015 48-29-5 Lost First Round (Won 0 Rounds) 2014 36-35-11 Missed Playoffs 2013 26-15-7 Lost First Round (Won 0 Rounds) 2012 51-22-9 Lost First Round (Won 0 Rounds) 2011 54-19-9 Lost Stanley Cup Final (Won 3 Rounds) Thanks for this, much appreciated. What is your perspective in summary though? You think the behaviour we’ve seen in the last 6-7-8 years is tantamount to a club building on each season or one that has flatlined in terms of actual production? If you look at it that way (aside from Bruce bump) this team is stagnant, no? Very stagnant and somewhat directionless. Edited October 23, 2022 by RWJC 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 2 hours ago, AlphaNuck said: To an extenschenn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, FaninMex said: All of you saying that they need to blow it up etc... The team is good. Every game has felt like it was winnable. It is a mental trap that they are in right now. Once they get over this 600 win for Bruce, they will start winning. Must be nice living in a fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Mad Bro? Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 14 hours ago, fanfor42 said: By the way fans who watch on tv need to hear this. If you go to the game live two large IPA drafts with no food cost $45 tonight. (That is $22.50 each). Canned beer is $11.50 each. Yes the same cans that cost $1.50 to $2.00 at the liquor store. Two footlong bbq hotdogs were $31. Yes hot dogs. It is not fun watching your team lose while Aqualini picks your frickin' pocket. Awful corporate greed at work here fans. Yuck. That is another reason why people booed this team. We are getting ripped off in more ways than one. That’s absolutely appalling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, chon derry said: Copied from a Minnesota news paper interestingly immediately after Yeo’s firing the team turned things around. “When the coach is an idiot, the team will fail.” “Mike Yeo didn’t succeed at Minnesota, he only lost time there. A similar situation is happening now. The team will not fight for such a coach. I saw them play, familiar with their system. This club should fight for the Stanley Cup, but, again, if the coach is an idiot, then you can forget about it. It seems to me that Yeo doesn’t understand anything at all in hockey. Unrestrained, unrestrained. I wouldn’t even trust the children’s team to him.” Nail Yakupov's father made that quote when Yeo was coaching St Louis. He was upset of his son's usage. I wouldn't take it all that seriously. https://www.bardown.com/nail-yakupov-s-dad-rips-blues-coach-mike-yeo-for-team-s-struggles-1.1199496 Yeo was fired in February 2016 from the Wild. That practice clip of him losing his cool was a year earlier in January 2015 - where they did climb back up in the 2nd half of the season. The Wild had so many culture issues that were only recently fixed under Guerin. The vets at the time had ownerships' ear and there were some pretty ridiculous situations. D-pairings set based on the preference of 1 player vs what was best for the team. On a road trip a vet brought in his own personal coach to coach the PP without Yeo being even informed. Vets refusing to get off the ice and over-extending their shifts etc. Fletcher didn't want to fire Yeo but had no choice once the vets lobbied for his firing. Boudreau ran into similar issues and he was an established coach. Edited October 23, 2022 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fen1010 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 hour ago, gurn said: so they were short on D, and decided to send down a guy that, is apparently a 1st or second line player. Still weird. Could have sent Miller down, not like any team would have picked him up, unfortunately. Hogs is wavier exempt. Can't be claimed, only reason Hogs is in top 9 is because BB6 is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Feels like we might go 0-82. We may never win again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said: Cull & Yeo = Green. But I question, why Bruce allowed them to join. Has Bruce's already, checked out and is he being hamstrung, by the FO cause he is on his last year and the Canucks are tying out Yeo or Cull to be his replacement ? The BAD drama associated with the Francesco owned Canucks, is very different from when McCaw & Griffiths owned the team: both were hands off, for the most part and they were barely mentioned.. There were no smart phones... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
204CanucksFan Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 14 hours ago, fanfor42 said: By the way fans who watch on tv need to hear this. If you go to the game live two large IPA drafts with no food cost $45 tonight. (That is $22.50 each). Canned beer is $11.50 each. Yes the same cans that cost $1.50 to $2.00 at the liquor store. Two footlong bbq hotdogs were $31. Yes hot dogs. It is not fun watching your team lose while Aqualini picks your frickin' pocket. Awful corporate greed at work here fans. Yuck. That is another reason why people booed this team. We are getting ripped off in more ways than one. Here's a menu from Edmonton on opening night: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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