Sharpshooter Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, KristoffWixenschon said: I wonder if team management preferred that he didn't attend, rather than showing up and being a very visual symbol of non-support for LGBT awareness. Probably, if I had to guess. I think it reflects poorly on the team and League, imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeNiro Posted January 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2023 Just now, nuckin_futz said: I don't have a problem with him being criticized. I have been critical of him in this very thread for hiding in the dressing room and then barely addressing his stance. Hate is often enabled by religious texts. It’s twisted by leaders and people with an agenda. At the core of every religion is peace and tolerance. It has been perverted over thousands of years to help mould the ideals of different societies. 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, BabychStache said: Flyers could have avoided all of this by saying he had the “Scoots” during warmup. So true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: I think the racism you can’t see is/can be just as injurious to your life, liberty and the security of your person. That’s how veiled racism worked for centuries against visible minorities through religious and legislation. Intolerance whether seen or unseen is still a destructive force. I'd just prefer people be upfront about it so I know what and whom I'm dealing with. For example, if I go for a job interview and have zero chance based purely on race and my resume goes through the shredder 5 seconds after I leave what I think was a good interview, I'd like to know that. I'd like to know my interview was just filling some quota. As you said both versions are injurious but with one option I know I have been injured. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KristoffWixenschon Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Just now, Sharpshooter said: I don’t think he should be forced to do anything either. And I agree. Garbage perspective by him and imo his religion. He has the right to refuse to practice of course. He also bears the the persona responsibility of dealing with the backlash of making a willful choice for tacitly supporting non-inclusivity. If he’s ok with that, then great. May he reap what he and his religiosity sows. Agreed. There will always be social repercussions for having beliefs that go against the cultural norm. He will undoubtedly lose out on future sponsors, not be selected for leadership opportunities within the team, not be selected for future coaching opportunities, etc. There are consequences to having garbage opinions, but those consequences should always be decided on the social marketplace. Nobody should ever be forced into supporting something they do not agree with. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zhukini Posted January 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2023 Really see who those Alberta is calling ads are marketing to. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) Sounds like he opted out in a reasonable and respectful manner. Don’t agree with his perspective but he handled himself with class and did his best not to make something out of it, that is on the internet and social media. ‘I don’t have a problem with protests for the national anthem (and those have nothing to do with the military) and don’t have an issue here. ‘He still came out and did his job, he opted out of nothing of significance to what he is payed to do. Edited January 18, 2023 by DrJockitch 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 A link about inclusivity at the NHL was hoping to find out if the league ever MANdated 'pride' helmet decals https://www.nhl.com/video/nhl-shows-support-at-pride-parade/t-325327456/c-12126742 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bell Posted January 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2023 They should stop doing all the pre-game celebrations and ceremonies. I tune into a game to watch a game and for those two and a half hours all the bs that is happening in the world is tuned out. All the things they are trying to bring awareness too is important but I don't think pro sporting events are the avenue for it. 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Zhukini said: Really see who those Alberta is calling ads are marketing to. Post of the month. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: I'd just prefer people be upfront about it so I know what and whom I'm dealing with. For example, if I go for a job interview and have zero chance based purely on race and my resume goes through the shredder 5 seconds after I leave what I think was a good interview, I'd like to know that. I'd like to know my interview was just filling some quota. As you said both versions are injurious but with one option I know I have been injured. One version injures you immediately. The other after the fact. Both are injurious, as you know. However, the problem isn’t that injuries occur, it’s that we tolerate those that willfully, through their acts or inaction who, injure others…particularly due to the result of being brainwashed by fairy tales that were entrenched into them from a young age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KristoffWixenschon Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: Probably, if I had to guess. I think it reflects poorly on the team and League, imo. I think everyone handled this perfectly. The player quietly declined but was allowed to live in accordance with his values. The team did not have to showcase a player during practice that was visually opposed in support of LGBT issues. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Just now, DeNiro said: He’s being criticized not threatened to be killled… talk about extreme. People are expressing their freedoms by criticizing him. That’s freedom here too last time I checked. Why do you seem to have a problem with that freedom and not the freedom of religion? And again it’s not a religious thing as I said. Society in Russia has shaped religion to be anti homosexual. Hate is created by people not by god or religious texts. We don’t know if it’s because he’s truly homophobic or it’s simply because of his religious beliefs (again you can respect and support a group, but not wear their symbol as it’s not who they identify with as). I do agree the problem is that these countries and societies want people to respect their religion but refuse to do the same to others. Majority of these places have backwards thinking and are generally not inclusive to any group/individuals who aren’t part of their religion, and some take their beliefs to radical levels. Here in western society, freedom of expression and freedom of speech is what separates us from the rest of the world. We shouldn’t be forcing people to do western things and get upset that they don’t wish to express those values and views, just like westerners wouldn’t want religious values being shoved down their throats in these such countries. The problem is, freedom of speech and expression is virtually non existent, and so most times you’d comply with societal standards to avoid being punished, which is obviously not okay. If Provorov does happen to be homophobic, it has no place in the game and there should be consequences. But to say he’s homophobic because he chose not to wear the jersey does not equal him being homophobic. I’d assume if you chose not to wear a religious garment in Qatar, it doesn’t mean you hate the person/religion, it’s just because you aren’t religious therefore you wouldn’t feel the need to wear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: Sounds like he opted out in a reasonable and respectful manner. Don’t agree with his perspective but he handled himself with class and did his best not to make something out of it, that is on the internet and social media. ‘I don’t have a problem with protests for the national anthem (and those have nothing to do with the military) and don’t have an issue here. ‘He still came out and did his job, he opted out of nothing of significance to what he is payed to do. You really believe that? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, Zhukini said: Really see who those Alberta is calling ads are marketing to. That's hateful and potentially discriminatory based on people's place of origin, prohibited grounds under the human rights code.... just saying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, GB5 said: That's hateful and potentially discriminatory based on people's place of origin, prohibited grounds under the human rights code.... just saying. It’s also based on past precedence. It’s also funny AF! Edited January 18, 2023 by Sharpshooter 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck You Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 anti-gay demonstration!?!?!?!?! This is exactly what's wrong with society ..All of a sudden it becomes 'Anti' ...when a person doesn't follow something they don't believe in. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Strawbone said: You really believe that? He is a hockey player and professional athlete. He opted out of a pre-game skate. ‘Cant force our opinions on someone. Don’t agree with his opinion and don’t think churches should preach hate but that has nothing to do with whether a guy who plays hockey took a pregame skate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 I think if anything Torts having an issue with players kneeling for the flag but have no issue with players not wearing a the jersey shows what type of person he is. Not Provorov or any player that expresses their freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KristoffWixenschon Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Just now, Canuck You said: anti-gay demonstration!?!?!?!?! This is exactly what's wrong with society ..All of a sudden it becomes 'Anti' ...when a person doesn't follow something they don't believe in. What a sensational headline, eh? We live in the age of MSNBC/Fox News clickbait headlines. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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