*Buzzsaw* Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: Or Bo could get injured in the next couple weeks and then what do the Islanders do? And you could fall on your butt... any hockey player can be injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 minute ago, N7Nucks said: No, I am saying we were ass with him and not having him doesn't really make us that much more ass. We were almost top 10 in goals for with Horvat. We are much, much worse without him. I wouldn't be surprised if we're last in the league the rest of the way. You have to remember--we will make more trades--and they could be for a full scale tank. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, stawns said: Then the teams who have missed out on those guys will be especially desperate, including the Islanders. The East is high octane and very very tight. Anytime that sits back and watches other teams load up will be golfing early. You think Lou does on the top 12 protected hill if he watches all those teams load up? Or on the AB hill? So we go back to the islanders and Lou says, "we don't NEED him, we're out of the playoff race. What can you offer us in addition to Horvat?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 16 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: It means if the Islanders draft 12th or better we get the 1st round pick in 2024. Is it unprotected in 2024? Like if they suck and pick top 5, we get that? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: He's a pretty good bet to be a 3C. Everyone wanted to trade BO for picks and prospects. That's exactly what we did. And we weakened our team considerably so we can go full on tank hard for Bedard. The fact that some people are upset about this is quite strange given all the of tank for Bedard and rebuild talk that's been going on around here these past few weeks... This might be the biggest outcome of the trade. Maybe even why we pulled the trigger so soon. And Allvin has indicated he isn’t done wheeling and dealing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Just now, Bure_Pavel said: Top 20 this year is very solid, could easily walk away with a top 6 forward or top 4 dman in that range this year. NYI will have to get past Carolina or Boston to make it past the first round, and will have a hard time dropping below 12th with the addition of Bo and teams selling. 1-10 yes, 11-20 above average, but not by tons. It could also end up being in the 20's next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnstorm Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, Isam said: They got that they think won't make it 13 If NYI do poorly and fall in standings to a position where they draft between 1st - 12th then that is their draft position. The Canucks would then take the NYI draft in the next year(2024) regardless of what position it may be: ie 1st - 32nd. If the NYI finish this year in a position that gives them a draft position 13th - 32nd then that is the draft pick Canucks receive for the trade. in short NYI will not surrender a pick this year better than 13th position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Started thinking about this trade from an Islanders fan perspective, and I’m not sure I’d be thrilled if I were a fan. Looking at where they are in the standings, the average age of their team, and their prospect pool and this a very all or nothing trade. Sure Bo could be the missing piece. They could make the playoffs and go on a run and then they’re not worried about it. On the flip side, they miss the playoffs, Bo walks, and they have to give us their 2024 pick unprotected with a team that could very well be worse. Very big risk for them. Could you imagine us trading Podkolzin and a top 12 protected pick at last years deadline in order to go for it? Can't see Horvat walk. They have 1 month to sign him or they can trade him further. Friedman wondered about NYI earlier today on his podcast. On an earlier podcast he said that Lamoriello told him years ago that you don't trade for rentals unless you are really positive this is your year. Doubt Lamoriello thinks NYI has a chance this season so the trade is likely in prevision for next season. NYI is 10th in their conference at 0.529 while Wildcard 2 is at .582. That's quite some ground to cover and NYI doesn't have games in hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Just now, *Buzzsaw* said: They are a lot closer... a couple years ago they went deep in the playoffs... only beaten by Tampa. A couple years ago they were a couple years younger. Boston, New York, and New Jersey have all gotten better since then. Even if they squeak in they’re not going anywhere. Their window closed already they just haven’t realized it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Just now, HKSR said: So we go back to the islanders and Lou says, "we don't NEED him, we're out of the playoff race. What can you offer us in addition to Horvat?" Then you go to another team, there'll be at least a dozen teams in the east loading up by the tdl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 minute ago, awalk said: Is it unprotected in 2024? Like if they suck and pick top 5, we get that? Yes, but what are the odds of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 minute ago, awalk said: Is it unprotected in 2024? Like if they suck and pick top 5, we get that? Yep. Could be similar to the Duchene trade if we get lucky. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said: Lou would have asked for permission and received information regarding what the Canuck's had offered. Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 minute ago, awalk said: Is it unprotected in 2024? Like if they suck and pick top 5, we get that? Yes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, coryberg said: He was never better than 5th in ice time as a canuck. Google is your friend OK Mr Smarm. Traded for Gudbranson, so he was obviously top 4 right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Warhippy said: It's ok to be and feel underwhelmed by this deal. it's not negative to dislike the key assets of need being ignored again It's also not negative or whining to have wanted a better overall return. This is absolutely a wait and see deal. But it checked none of the boxes that literally every single hockey fan and analyst know needs to be checked and people are rightfully shocked that this was what came back with salary retained. There were 4 wants as far as I recall. Top 4 RHD 3C 1st round pick Roster players 25 and under The biggest need is the top 4 RHD and they missed that. They probably got the highest 1st round pick that they could hope for. Raty is apparently NHL ready, 20 year old 2-way centre, 6-2 190, on 1st year of ELC, could be the 3C next year, don't really know Beauvillier, 25 year old, left shot winger, 5-11 182, $4.1M, UFA after next season. With Miller moving to centre, and the loss of Mikheyev, they're going to need one for the remainder of the season. They won't be forced to use Podz or Hogz. I was really hoping for a top 4 RHD but they're going to have to get one some other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 minute ago, mll said: Can't see Horvat walk. They have 1 month to sign him or they can trade him further. Friedman wondered about NYI earlier today on his podcast. On an earlier podcast he said that Lamoriello told him years ago that you don't trade for rentals unless you are really positive this is your year. Doubt Lamoriello thinks NYI has a chance this season so the trade is likely in prevision for next season. NYI is 10th in their conference at 0.529 while Wildcard 2 is at .582. That's quite some ground to cover and NYI doesn't have games in hand. Imagine if Lou turns around and gets a huge deal for him at the tdl this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 minute ago, stawns said: I'd say a number of people are unhappy with a top 12 protected pick Yeah but those are the same type of people that if handed a bag of $100 bills they would complian about the weight.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 minute ago, kilgore said: As another poster said Bo could have taken the 6.5 x 8 and been a multi millionaire living the good life on the west coast with his family. He chose to hold out for the big bucks. people complain that Miller was signed before Bo, but in a way how this all went down is on Bo himself Why did Bo wait until his contract year to step it up? Miller played hard last season and was in the same contract position. He could have waited till this season too. It kind of makes me a little peaved off frankly to see how much better Bo could have been the last number of years if he’d have given 100% all along. Miller stepped it up last season, while Bo played out the season accumulating roughly half the points of JT. Surprise surprise… Miller was valued more and signed first. It’s almost like the perfect plan for a player who wants out, by putting his GM in a hands tied situation by playing himself out of affordability by inflating his numbers in his contract year. On a cash strapped team. Where has this Bo been? If he’d have put in more effort last season, he’d have been signed, and JT traded. Simple as that. Honestly, Millers little on-ice tanties aside, he sure looks like the one more committed to this franchise. Bo and management have had that, “soon to be divorced” feel for awhile. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, awalk said: Is it unprotected in 2024? Like if they suck and pick top 5, we get that? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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