HorvatToBaertschi Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 4 hours ago, Drakrami said: Someone was saying Petterson is a Selke candidate just a few months ago heh... Letting in the most goals in the modern era and our 1st line center is Selke. ha...hah... Karlsson will most likely win the Norris, being a 30 minute dman on one of the worst teams in the league, without putting much effort on the defensive side of the puck. Pettersson deserves Selke nods regardless of what the team does mostly when he's on the bench. He hits, blocks shots (at an elite rate), and is very strong at takeaways and blocking plays from happening both at ES and on the PK. He also has some of the best ES stats in the league. He is one of the few bright spots this catastrophic season has allowed us to have. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocanuck Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 A few things,, how bad is our defense when they struggle to make a pass out of their own end , when our number two defender is slow and would be a six on good teams.. we have had second and third string goalies play for most if the year.. our forwards dont know how to defend inside their own blueline.. this doesnt add up well… we do have skilled forwards who can score and are entertaining but im afraid if things dont turn around next year ( which is how long it would take with great coaching ) we will lose our best player who will get fed up with the losing. This year was needed to make the changes required to the team instead of chasing 16th place in standings. Gotta hang in there but at least the direction we are headed seems correct finally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, cocanuck said: A few things,, how bad is our defense when they struggle to make a pass out of their own end , when our number two defender is slow and would be a six on good teams.. we have had second and third string goalies play for most if the year.. our forwards dont know how to defend inside their own blueline.. this doesnt add up well… we do have skilled forwards who can score and are entertaining but im afraid if things dont turn around next year ( which is how long it would take with great coaching ) we will lose our best player who will get fed up with the losing. This year was needed to make the changes required to the team instead of chasing 16th place in standings. Gotta hang in there but at least the direction we are headed seems correct finally! They don't struggle nearly as much as the fwds do. Breakouts are far more about fwds than they are about dmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToTellTheTruth Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Not unexpected Shot suppression is better? May be less shots but still high quality shots against. Not the players fault anymore, most have had three different coaches over the last 4 seasons. They are doing the best they can, that is just who they are it doesn't mean they aren't trying. This is a bad mix of players and a losing culture. Trading away one player won't change that. Still need to score 5 games to have a shot. Crowd noise was less as the fans acknowledge the need of taking some bad medicine to get better and that is what bad medicine looks like. Geez, now only 6 points out of 30th with lose the three against Anaheim and next two against Arizona those are all 4 point games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, ToTellTheTruth said: Not unexpected Shot suppression is better? May be less shots but still high quality shots against. Not the players fault anymore, most have had three different coaches over the last 4 seasons. They are doing the best they can, that is just who they are it doesn't mean they aren't trying. This is a bad mix of players and a losing culture. Trading away one player won't change that. Still need to score 5 games to have a shot. Crowd noise was less as the fans acknowledge the need of taking some bad medicine to get better and that is what bad medicine looks like. Geez, now only 6 points out of 30th with lose the three against Anaheim and next two against Arizona those are all 4 point games. To be fair, the goaltending has been abysmal all season long, and I could be wrong here, but with my eye test, it doesn't feel like we give up as much as we were giving up the last couple of years with Markstrom and Demko in net. There have been countless soft goals against. Last night is a prime example of that. Martin and Delia are good for 4+ goals against 95% of the time, regardless of the quality of shots and chances the other way. Injured Demko was the same this season. Not saying our defense is great, but it's not the main issue this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, ilduce39 said: I laughed at people expecting a “coach bump.” Last year’s team was fighting for the playoffs - and had the top notch goaltending to make them believers. It was a ton of fun to watch. This year’s group played themselves out of the playoffs after the first 7 games. Then had to empty the tank to scrape back to .500. To achieve even that looked hard with the goaltending they were getting. They’re done. You can see it. They don’t want to block shots or sell out. And while they pull together a good effort every few games there’s many nights they’re just going through the motions. One of them earlier this season said it felt like they’ve been playing game 7s for the past year. They’re burnt out from digging themselves into a hole two years in a row. Hopefully Tocchet is able to instil some good habits and emphasize the need to come to camp in shape next year. Beyond that no one was going to come in and work miracles. We’re getting a nice piece - and hopefully a few extra futures when we sell what we can. Long term I’m hoping this is all for the best. Exactly right. It's not to say people are wrong to pick the team apart over the issues, or that Tocchet shouldn't be laser focused on the improvement, but as a fan I'm just not going to be up in arms freaking out when nights like this happen knowing the players aren't in their best state & desperately want the season to end. I think in our situation those nights are going to happen. We saw it in 2014 aswell & no one would debate that team had talent on it. Edited February 14, 2023 by Smashian Kassian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 7 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: i don't expect huge numerical improvement but i expect slight improvement now that we have a "structure" in place. we are still giving up the exact same if not worse high danger chance as prior to changes with less shots attempt against.. with more blocked shot and less shots against should = lower high danger chance against right? even if it's just 10% less on average? True, but it takes time to actually incorporate. You're not going to see drastic improvement after what 5 games, and 4 practices. Who knows what they're even working on. Is it eliminating high danger chances ... maybe they're not there yet. Way to early to pass judgement imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 7 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: True, but it takes time to actually incorporate. You're not going to see drastic improvement after what 5 games, and 4 practices. Who knows what they're even working on. Is it eliminating high danger chances ... maybe they're not there yet. Way to early to pass judgement imo. The two big issues were coaching and goaltending. Still in the air for coaching, but goaltending is getting worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 I love how Rick is calling guys out on their temper tantrums ect. Nice to see some accountability for once in the last decade. Also thank you Delia for being one of the boys and going down to Martin's level for team tank 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Durst Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 11 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: True, but it takes time to actually incorporate. You're not going to see drastic improvement after what 5 games, and 4 practices. Who knows what they're even working on. Is it eliminating high danger chances ... maybe they're not there yet. Way to early to pass judgement imo. what they are working on ? Just take look. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 9 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Meanwhile… I'm telling ya, Demko last season was the best goaltending performance I have ever seen since 2007 Luongo and his 47 wins. If Demko had 2007 team in front of him, his save percentage would have won the Vezina and we make the playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, stawns said: The two big issues were coaching and goaltending. Still in the air for coaching, but goaltending is getting worse You mean two career AHLers that can't handle a full season of being a NHL starter like it should be a surprise on the worst defensive team who also is the leader in goals against and a 65% pk? Those pesky goalies though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyman109 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) When teams need to rebuild this is what it looks like. The owner didnt want to go through it but they have no choice now. Tocchet is a loser coach for a loser bunch of players. Good hire because he will keep them bottom feeders for draft picks for a while. The real rebuild will not start until they can figure out a way to unload OEL. Buyout or otherwise. A few things to keep in mind for the tank crowd 1 Columbus and Chicago are not likely to go on any long term win streaks even if we do not win another game. so we are not going to finish in the top 2 2 Finishing in the top 5 would give us a slight chance at Bedard however our lottery results have been abysmal at best and its more likely CB would come back as a free agent than us winning his rights in the draft lottery. 3 We really need to think about building this team properly. What we need at the draft is a stud D man. Somewhere we also need a young goaltending prospect.Demko wont be around as this team develops so who is going to be the guy to carry the load as the starter? 4 Petey and Hughes wont want to just hang out while we rebuild. Its not a 2 year fix. Pettersson isnt going to resign in this circus for any amount of money and Hughes is going to demand a trade sooner than later. Losing wears on you physically and mentally. 5 Rebuilds will take 5 years at least. Draft the best players we can, and play them in the juniors and minors until we have assembled the talent we need to be ultra competitive. No more 18 year olds stepping into the lineup. Lastly, as bad as this is we still have a team to cheer for. Its going to be a lot of losing for the next few years. Get used to it. Look for the bright spots. Watch for improvement in players and the team. We will have a bunch of AHL quality players in the meantime and it will be a few bleak springs but if we get going today it will be quicker to rebuild. As some one that has gone through every season of this, you have to look to the future when we have these down cycles. Cheers, Edited February 14, 2023 by mikeyman109 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said: You mean two career AHLers that can't handle a full season of being a NHL starter like it should be a surprise on the worst defensive team who also is the leader in goals against and a 65% pk? Those pesky goalies though Worst defensive team primarily because of coaching and goalies, yes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldmanpower Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Guys on 650 also said our owner might not be willing to cut that buyout cheque. They said he should do it, but questioned his willingness to do so. And then added that if the owner was fully committed to winning, he would. Our owner just likes paying lots of coaches at the same time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldmanpower Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 A point of thought : the oilers had Mcjesus and Draisitl in their lineup for years and were still losing. Coach after coach after coach. Quality defensemen are very hard to get. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Just now, Oldmanpower said: Our owner just likes paying lots of coaches at the same time I’m hoping our owner has finally learned to listen to his management group instead of insisting they follow his direction. He pushed Benning into the worst trade in our club’s history with his meddling. Now it’s on him to fix that mistake and buyout OEL, and preferably Garland too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 10 minutes ago, Wolfgang Durst said: what they are working on ? Just take look. This video is from 2020 with Green lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Buying out OEL is a bad idea. And why are Schenn, JT Miller & others getting a pass? Schenn completely abandoned his guy infront of the net on the one goal. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternalCanuckFan Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 If OEL is 100% healthy, then his significant drop in play and skating speed from last season is bizarre. I'm not saying OEL was good last year, but he could at least play decent D and put up a respectable number of points if you ignore his cap hit. Is it just effort/mental or is it physical? If this is a long term health thing, then I wonder if he may end up being a LTIR guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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