Tower102 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Lol what? Why would we trade Kuzmenko? And why will his value suddenly disappear? Every players value has been disapearing once they sign the extension. Jeannot was one of the only players TB could target based on their cap situation so they had to overpay, imagine what Kuz would have gotten (although he will be UFA). His value was an alltime high for contenders without having to figure him into the fold next year. With that said, I was never on the trade Kuz train and am still not, although if we could have gottten multiple 1sts for him I would have had a hard time saying no (although to TB it would have been very delayed picks so probably not worth it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, DeNiro said: This is what I’m looking at. When all is said and done they’ll be lucky to get one player out of that “haul”. This is quantity and sure the more picks the more chances you have but the odds on those picks are not good. I agree 100 percent..Looks like a haul but late picks.. Tampa has a small window 2-3 years and NJ Devils - NYR will be top 2 teams in east.. Boston will have 1--2 year window - Marchand 35 May ----Bergeron 37 -- Krejci 37 April -- 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Lol what? Why would we trade Kuzmenko? And why will his value suddenly disappear? Well would you rather have gotten what Nashville got (or more likely, a better package) + whatever we would have done with the $5.5m in cap space the next two years, or would you rather have Kuzmenko? To me, the answer is pretty clearly the former, especially considering the fact that we're likely not going to be competitive next year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeQuinnAndEggs Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Hindsight is always 2020 and I'm still happy with the Horvat return but I wonder what could have been if we held on a bit longer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, stawns said: I'm sure Petey doesn't see it that way You can't do things just to keep individual players happy. Look what happened when Linden refused to rebuild during 2015-2018 because it would be "unfair" to the Sedin's. Edited February 27, 2023 by dougieL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 I bet the Lightnings embarrassing meltdown against the Pens today pushed this. I don’t think the Lightning are happy with their bottom 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, flat land fish said: When you consider jeannot’s history other than last year I’m not sure he is much more than a gritty 20-25 point guy. Is he a top pk guy? Covid years messed with his progression, he is 25 , with only 2 full nhl seasons . Power forwards usually develop into their “prowess” years at 27 / 28 / 29. I think he would have looked good here, he played well against us a few nights ago. Thats a lot of Second day of drafting gone for him.. even we could have spun that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Both Tampa and Boston have 1-2 years tops. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeNiro Posted February 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2023 1 minute ago, dougieL said: Well would you rather have gotten what Nashville got (or more likely, a better package) + whatever we would have done with the $5.5m in cap space the next two years, or would you rather have Kuzmenko? To me, the answer is pretty clearly the former, especially considering the fact that we're likely not going to be competitive next year. I’d rather have Kuzmenko. People are falling for the shiny new picks. You’d be lucky to get one player close to Kuz out of those picks. They’re all lotto tickets. Kuzmenko will have just as much if not more value in a couple years if he keeps playing at the pace he is. 1 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Odd. said: Why does that look like a better Return than Horvat It's absolutely nuts. CDC going on about Foote for months and he ends up being a throw in on top of an entire draft class. This trade is an absolute masterclass by the Preds goddamn. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Did NOT see all those picks involved, but Foote made a ton of sense with Fabbro on his way out. What did I tell ya @mll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myre Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Really like his game but this return is insane!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Just now, Ghostsof1915 said: Both Tampa and Boston have 1-2 years tops. Which makes the '25 1st even more troubling. Lightning aren't even top 4 in the East this year. What makes them think they'll do better in '24-25? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Citizen Erased Posted February 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2023 30 minutes ago, dougieL said: This just makes the decision to keep Kuzmenko even more stupid than it already was. This management team truly doesn't get it. Kuzmenko has been one of the few brights spots in an otherwise dreary season and you want to ship him out? I understand the potential return, but the guy is a star and on a reasonable cap hit for 2 more years. I think they can build an offence around him and Petterson. We should see where he and the team is at 2 years from now when his contract is expiring. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myre Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Both Tampa and Boston have 1-2 years tops. Agreed. This is Boston's only chance for a while imo and tbh I think they fail. Tampa I say 2 years and they move to mediocrity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 35 minutes ago, shazzam said: If Brock was making league min we wouldn't have a problem We retain 1-1.5M and we should net a 1st for Brock. Never mind the 2nd many of us were talking about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, DeNiro said: I’d rather have Kuzmenko. People are falling for the shiny new picks. You’d be lucky to get one player close to Kuz out of those picks. They’re all lotto tickets. Kuzmenko will have just as much if not more value in a couple years if he keeps playing at the pace he is. Isn't Kuzmenko also a shiny new toy? I doubt he can sustain his high shooting percentage next year. And even if he keeps it up - so what? We're not competitive next year anyway. And if we're in a position to trade him in 2 years, that means we're not competitive that year either. If that's the case, why not just trade him now when his cost is $850k instead of 2 years later when his cost is $5.5m? And you're forgetting about the value of cap space. Either we sign someone for $5.5m, or we use that to take on bad money for picks. Remember that $6m gets you a pick in maybe the mid-20's. We gave up huge value by signing Kuzmenko instead of trading him. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromeslab Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Jeanot gives Tampa a boost for another cup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RolexSub Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 I was hoping for Jeannot to come to Vancouver but I think Tampa over paid for that trade!!! Trades are definitely heating up!!! Let's hope we make a splash before the deadline!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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