[article] Could that extra $3-4 million in rumoured cap space fix everything for the Canucks this offseason?

[Ted Lasso]

2 minutes ago, BCNate said:

Most importantly a healthy Demko.  It's no coincidence we started winning when he cam back healthy and played to his normal standard.

Yep. Would like to see him get a lot of starts in preseason, and have the best start possible. Need to expedite the backup auditions, and have Demko ready for game one

[Dr. Crossbar]

20 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Sounds like you have never seen Hronek play. 

That's where a lot of this is coming from. 

[Shekky]

17 minutes ago, Seannnp said:

Like the other bloated contracts hes signed? Sorry cant recall which ones, some help please? 

They are trying to compete now pretty evident they are bound to sign a player in free agency. Another bloated contract among the other bloated contracts on the roster.

[Fanuck]

33 minutes ago, Seannnp said:

Where did he spend where he had the option to do otherwise? Miller? I would say that the miller deal was a good deal for him based on what he brings to the team and how hes played since joining the Canucks aside from the beginning of this season. 

 

Mikhayev? Kuzmenko? Team is much better with them than without them and replacement players of similar ilk likely cost much more. Any mistakes that Alvin made (Stillman), he cut his losses quickly. 

 

None of the Allvin signings are particularly egregious in and of themselves (other than Boeser's to a degree) - the main issue is that by signing (re-signing) these guys, he's crippled this club financially as a result of not being able to make the other necessary moves to lesson the cap concerns of the club.  JR said from day 1 (and Allvin said the same thing as soon as he arrived) that the club wouldn't be trading away high picks (they did anyway) and they would be creating 'cap flexibility' (which they have NOT done).  Again, in a vacuum none of the signings are terrible (except Boeser's), but they simply exacerbated an already existing problem with this organization that management has not been able to address. 

 

Imagine our cap situation (not to mention our draft capital/prospect pool) if we didn't sign Mik, and traded both Miller/Kuz at the deadline for picks/prospects?  Not only would we have the cap-room JR has said from day 1 he wanted, but we wouldn't be rated as one of the worst prospect pools/farm teams in the entire league. Or, even more realistically, imagine if Allvin were able to unload Garland/Boeser without having to actually pay someone to take those contracts?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DrJockitch]

I think the extra cap gives breathing room and makes trades sooooo much easier. 
What it should not be used for is a UFA.  The UFA market is terrible this year and we need to stop trying to build that way. 
Make a wild swing with the flexibility. 
Quite a few teams are looking to shake things up significantly and this puts us in a position where we can play. Who knows what will shake out. 

[Goal:thecup]

2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Thank God I aced my Calculus and Economics classes at UBC.  Sauder School taught me well...   

Pride is a sin Petey; let others sing your praises.

I like the foundation of your point; not so much the nitty-gritty.

Cheers!

[Goal:thecup]

2 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Let me know when Hronek shows up to camp, isn't injured and plays a season while being defensively responsible.

 

people labelling him as possibly the BEST RHD this club has had since Bieksa are absolutely out to lunch.  Until he produces we currently have done nothing except on paper to fix the RHD issue.  It also doesn't really change much as we still need an RHD with a defensive mind to support QH and that won't be cheap unless Schenn wants to come back.

 

Hirose is even more of a question mark than Hronek but won't want $7+ million in a year so that's something.

 

We did.  Once.  Good trade no complaints.

 

Beauvillier is actually worth keeping.  Myers will need a replacement, that won't be cheap and will be fought among no less than 16 other NHL teams wanting a top 4 RHD.  Petey getting a new contract, Hronek getting a new contract, replacing Myers, still needing a 3rd line RHC, needing to replace AB on the wing, Podkolzin getting a new contract, bear getting a new contract, it won't be easy.

 

Now that can be taken from the existing team/minors possibly.  But that's a very slim possibility.  

 

Between here and the start of the 24/25 season there will need to be new contracts for or replacements the following if they will still be on the roster to start 24/25:  Pettersson, Kuzmenko, Beauvillier, Podkolzin, Aman, Kravstov, Dakota, Stdnicka, Dries, Myers, Hronek, Bear, Burroughs, Delia.  Keeping in mind that Hronek is looking at almost doubling his contract, Pettersson will get about $3 million more and some of these players could potentially double their existing contracts as well.

 

To end 23/24 or start 24/25 we have 9 players under contract with $33.5 million spent on the cap and need the following after Myers etc is gone.

 

1 back up goalie

1 top 2/4 RHD

1 4-6 RHD

1 4-6 LHD

1 3rd line center

6 wingers

4th line center

 

Again, it won't be easy.  It may change, it may get easier but until such time as we see something actually happen I will remain pessimistic because that is a huge volume of assets to move renew or replace while still holding on to some level of cap space knowing that players will be commanding more $ than ever and that stars like Petey will hold all the advantages in renewing new contracts with a significant increase.

As has been said, last year was the first year of pain; this coming season will be the second; after that, if done properly, We Be Rollin'.

[rekker]

53 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

I think the extra cap gives breathing room and makes trades sooooo much easier. 
What it should not be used for is a UFA.  The UFA market is terrible this year and we need to stop trying to build that way. 
Make a wild swing with the flexibility. 
Quite a few teams are looking to shake things up significantly and this puts us in a position where we can play. Who knows what will shake out. 

The Hronek trade fills a big need moving forward that free agency can't, or may not fix. Good trade. 

[Elias Pettersson]

2 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:

Sounds like you have never seen Hronek play. 

It's amazing how people on CDC are calling Hronek a PP specialist, the guy is actually a pretty good defender and was a regular penalty killer with Detroit.  Even the beat writer for Detroit said this, he said Hronek broke out this year and was playing like a top pairing Dman.

 

I think some people on CDC are gonna be shocked when they actually see Hronek play...

[Ted Lasso]

27 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

It's amazing how people on CDC are calling Hronek a PP specialist, the guy is actually a pretty good defender and was a regular penalty killer with Detroit.  Even the beat writer for Detroit said this, he said Hronek broke out this year and was playing like a top pairing Dman.

 

I think some people on CDC are gonna be shocked when they actually see Hronek play...

Yep, I watched a few highlight videos, which included some strong defensive plays, breaking up an odd man rush, and also some great passes, hard shots and one timers. He looks highly skilled on both sides of the puck, and capable of creating offence by himself. 

 

Excited to see what he looks like at 5 on 5 at the point. We haven’t had a legit point shot threat in ages, and it should create space for our forwards on the cycle. He and Quinn could have fun playing keep away at the blue line, while we hem opponents in the offensive zone.

 

 

[canuck73_3]

51 minutes ago, rekker said:

The Hronek trade fills a big need moving forward that free agency can't, or may not fix. Good trade. 

Anyone complaining about the trade is bitching just to bitch.

[rekker]

11 minutes ago, Kenny Powers said:

Yep, I watched a few highlight videos, which included some strong defensive plays, breaking up an odd man rush, and also some great passes, hard shots and one timers. He looks highly skilled on both sides of the puck, and capable of creating offence by himself. 

 

Excited to see what he looks like at 5 on 5 at the point. We haven’t had a legit point shot threat in ages, and it should create space for our forwards on the cycle. He and Quinn could have fun playing keep away at the blue line, while we hem opponents in the offensive zone.

 

 

Man, just reading this makes me remember and miss Salo and that bomb. No fan blinked when he wound up. Lol. 

[Ted Lasso]

4 hours ago, rekker said:

Man, just reading this makes me remember and miss Salo and that bomb. No fan blinked when he wound up. Lol. 

Yep. Even our own players had to be brave to screen the goalie when he let it rip.

[Timråfan]

8 hours ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

That's where a lot of this is coming from. 

I haven’t seen him play but I have a(for this forum) rare trust for the new management.

So I am safe with them doing their homework.

If PA trade a 1st and a 2nd it means Hronek is good. 
The bottom dweller thinking by the old management is gone.

[Timråfan]

8 hours ago, Fanuck said:

None of the Allvin signings are particularly egregious in and of themselves (other than Boeser's to a degree) - the main issue is that by signing (re-signing) these guys, he's crippled this club financially as a result of not being able to make the other necessary moves to lesson the cap concerns of the club. 
 

So what is the other necessary moves to lesson the cap concerns? 
Since you say necessary it means you know them.

 

 

8 hours ago, Fanuck said:

 

JR said from day 1 (and Allvin said the same thing as soon as he arrived) that the club wouldn't be trading away high picks (they did anyway) and they would be creating 'cap flexibility' (which they have NOT done).

 

I sure like that the management is flexible when they see an opening.

Do you really want them to be stubborn and miss players just because? 

 

 

8 hours ago, Fanuck said:

 

  Again, in a vacuum none of the signings are terrible (except Boeser's), but they simply exacerbated an already existing problem with this organization that management has not been able to address. 

Why is Boesers terrible? 
It’s short and is off the books when the real window has just started. 

Regardless what we think of him he produce points and if the medics say to PA that he is about to get better with his injuries his trajectory is upwards

 

 

 

8 hours ago, Fanuck said:

Imagine our cap situation (not to mention our draft capital/prospect pool) if we didn't sign Mik, and traded both Miller/Kuz at the deadline for picks/prospects?  Not only would we have the cap-room JR has said from day 1 he wanted, but we wouldn't be rated as one of the worst prospect pools/farm teams in the entire league. Or, even more realistically, imagine if Allvin were able to unload Garland/Boeser without having to actually pay someone to take those contracts?  

Ok, Mikh has speed. One thing we need as you probably recall since you remember other things PA/JR said( why does it seems you only remember the quotes that fits your narrative and not the other ones?)

 

Miller and Kuz delivers points.

How do we manage to replace a 40goal scorer and a ppg player in one year without overpaying?

Please explain that for me since I can’t get my head around that small problem…

 

 

Regarding prospects, Abby starts to workout as a real reservepool for the Canucks.

We almost didn’t miss a beat when we got injured players.

PA brought in a lot of young players.

Where would we stand without all of them? 
Way worse regarding both prospects and young players.

If PA does the same one year more it’s insane compared to Bennings way.

[iceman64]

14 hours ago, JamesB said:

I have the same view. Many people around the league will be happy about extra cap room. And it is certainly good for players who, collectively, will gain about $100 million due to the cap increase. But not every team can benefit. In fact, regardless of amount of the increase exactly 16 teams make the playoffs and exactly one wins the cup. On average there is zero net benefit. If some teams gain, then others must lose.

 

But the Canucks stand to be gainers. The teams that will lose are teams that need to sign UFAs or high-end RFAs this summer and teams that already have significant cap space won't gain much from the extra space.

 

The Canucks already have almost the entire line-up signed for next season and have less cap space than any other team. And they have an unbalanced roster (too many wingers, not strong enough in the bottom 6 center area), So with more flexibility around the league to make moves, that also helps the Canucks more than it helps most teams. 

 

Also, if the cap goes up, the floor also goes up and increases the number of teams who will looking to add cap hit to get to the floor. (Maybe 3 teams instead of 1). That greatly increases the chances of trading Myers after paying his bonus as the acquiring team will get a 6 million cap hit while only paying 1 million in actual cash flow. So Myers will be much easier to move.

 

Bottom line: we should be cheering for a large cap increment.

 

I admit to some of the same concern as @Warhippy. I hope JR and Allvin don't just turn around and blow the extra space on yet another overpaid UFA.

Actually if and I certainly hope so, trade Boeser and Garland only because both aren't that good defensively and we can't afford that anymore. Combined cap is 11 mil in exchange for picks or prospects is our best route, especially since Podz isn't going to get a huge raise, some $ yes but not huge, we'd spend some of that on Petey, and still have room left over for a good Dman and if the cap raises as Bettman alluded to then we could probably pull off a 3rd line center on a 2 year deal until replaced by a prospect to take over

 

[-DLC-]

19 hours ago, nux_win said:

Not really.  Every other team will get the same increase.  We don't just need to improve, we need to improve relative to other teams.  GCG!

I don't totally agree with this. This would give the team a bit more flexibility whereas other teams may be in a different state (jam) than we are and it may be more player related than cap related. Coaching staff, etc.

 

Improving "relative to" other teams would put us in the exact same position just with the same cap increase. They may not be where we are and have different holes to fill so it's not an even across the board deal. 

[-DLC-]

14 hours ago, rekker said:

Man, just reading this makes me remember and miss Salo and that bomb. No fan blinked when he wound up. Lol. 

That shot of his won me over $100 in the power play contest one year.

 

One helluva bomb. Thanks, Sami!

[Provost]

20 hours ago, Timråfan said:

No, the doom mongers will continue to spread the false narrative that we have cap problems.

 

 

Well you know, having the biggest committed cap of any team in the league, already being over the current projected cap with 5 roster spots still to fill, and all while having a team that can’t get a sniff at the playoffs and needs a major injection of talent… that seems like an ideal position cap wise.

Oh ya, and one of the worst prospect pools in the league so no cheap ELCs coming to play significant roles on the team.

 

Not sure what your definition of cap problems is.

[Timråfan]

8 minutes ago, Provost said:

Well you know, having the biggest committed cap of any team in the league, already being over the current projected cap with 5 roster spots still to fill, and all while having a team that can’t get a sniff at the playoffs and needs a major injection of talent… that seems like an ideal position cap wise.

Oh ya, and one of the worst prospect pools in the league so no cheap ELCs coming to play significant roles on the team.

 

Not sure what your definition of cap problems is.

The last vesrion I read had 21 roster spots fixed and our injured players on there. 
So both Poolman and Pearson can be lifted from the cap.

How is it then? 
Do you have a screen shot of your version? 
 

The next season is a bit of a go as far as we can but we’re to weak to win it all.

So our prospects as Lekkerimäki, Pettersson and others have one more year to cook.

Other young players that won’t be so expensive is Hogz, Podz, Johansson, Kravtsov, Bloom, Hirosi, McWard and those I forgot…

How many cheap players do you want?