[article] Could that extra $3-4 million in rumoured cap space fix everything for the Canucks this offseason?

[Ted Lasso]

https://canucksarmy.com/news/extra-3-4-million-rumoured-cap-space-fix-everything-canucks-offseason

 

This would buy us time to make transactions for optimal returns, open up more trade partners, and reduce the leverage of teams like Chicago. It also takes the pressure off buyout decisions.
 

As the team with the highest cap spending, we seem to benefit the most from this…

[Warhippy]

We know exactly what will happen.

 

Statements will be made about now being able to make deals.  No deals will be made.  That extra space will be used to sign someone in free agency and in 7 months we'll be moaning about how we can't make deals due to cap issues coming up to the tdl

[HKSR]

15 minutes ago, Kenny Powers said:

https://canucksarmy.com/news/extra-3-4-million-rumoured-cap-space-fix-everything-canucks-offseason

 

This would buy us time to make transactions for optimal returns, open up more trade partners, and reduce the leverage of teams like Chicago. It also takes the pressure off buyout decisions.
 

As the team with the highest cap spending, we seem to benefit the most from this…

The way I look at it is all of a sudden, there is now $96 to $128M in new cap space throughout the league.  You can bet that there will be more movement than if it was only a $1M cap increase.

[Timråfan]

No, the doom mongers will continue to spread the false narrative that we have cap problems.

 

 

[JamesB]

4 hours ago, Kenny Powers said:

https://canucksarmy.com/news/extra-3-4-million-rumoured-cap-space-fix-everything-canucks-offseason

 

This would buy us time to make transactions for optimal returns, open up more trade partners, and reduce the leverage of teams like Chicago. It also takes the pressure off buyout decisions.
 

As the team with the highest cap spending, we seem to benefit the most from this…

I have the same view. Many people around the league will be happy about extra cap room. And it is certainly good for players who, collectively, will gain about $100 million due to the cap increase. But not every team can benefit. In fact, regardless of amount of the increase exactly 16 teams make the playoffs and exactly one wins the cup. On average there is zero net benefit. If some teams gain, then others must lose.

 

But the Canucks stand to be gainers. The teams that will lose are teams that need to sign UFAs or high-end RFAs this summer and teams that already have significant cap space won't gain much from the extra space.

 

The Canucks already have almost the entire line-up signed for next season and have less cap space than any other team. And they have an unbalanced roster (too many wingers, not strong enough in the bottom 6 center area), So with more flexibility around the league to make moves, that also helps the Canucks more than it helps most teams. 

 

Also, if the cap goes up, the floor also goes up and increases the number of teams who will looking to add cap hit to get to the floor. (Maybe 3 teams instead of 1). That greatly increases the chances of trading Myers after paying his bonus as the acquiring team will get a 6 million cap hit while only paying 1 million in actual cash flow. So Myers will be much easier to move.

 

Bottom line: we should be cheering for a large cap increment.

 

I admit to some of the same concern as @Warhippy. I hope JR and Allvin don't just turn around and blow the extra space on yet another overpaid UFA.

Edited May 19, 2023 by JamesB

[Fanuck]

Hoping the cap goes up every year isn't a replacement for wise, fiscal, long-term planning for this organization.  

 

If this happens and the cap does increase - it's just luck for Allvin.  Yes, Benning made a mess of things for sure, but Allvin didn't exactly 'penny pinch' when he took over either to this point. 

 

Allvin has some decisions to make - some hard ones that might rub some people the wrong way - but ones that need to be made to keep this franchise competitive in the long-term.   

[DSVII]

Depends how we use it!

[nux_win]

Not really.  Every other team will get the same increase.  We don't just need to improve, we need to improve relative to other teams.  GCG!

[Elias Pettersson]

Allvin said he wasn't concerned about the cap.  Now we know why.  He has inside info we don't have.  With an extra $4 million in cap space, we are cap compliant even with Poolman on the roster, plus we can sign Bear and Kravtsov.  Also, we can put Pearson on LTIR during the summer.  I expect that to happen as I don't see any way he will be able to start the season on the roster.

 

If we can move Garland which they are actively trying to do, then that should free up the cap space available to get a 3C and another Dman...

[DSVII]

25 minutes ago, Timråfan said:

No, the doom mongers will continue to spread the false narrative that we have cap problems.

 

 

We do have cap problems. We're in a position where we may have to pay to trade away a decent winger. How is that false? 

 

As a "doom monger"  I'll add It's mutually exclusive btw. "Doom monger" =/= "we have cap problems". 

 

Especially in the context of the compete now mandate.

 

if we were willing to take a step back. I agree. No cap problems 

[Timråfan]

4 minutes ago, DSVII said:

We do have cap problems. We're in a position where we may have to pay to trade away a decent winger. How is that false? 

 

As a "doom monger"  I'll add It's mutually exclusive btw. "Doom monger" =/= "we have cap problems". 

 

Especially in the context of the compete now mandate.

 

if we were willing to take a step back. I agree. No cap problems 

I don’t think we need to pay to get rid of a contract.

But now I also adapt the posters saying all kind of trades were turned down by PA. Those posters were a bit interrwined with the doom mongers.

So if those posters were right we are not inproblem because if that was right PA definately would have traded Miller to get those three firsts and push the window one year down the road.

[Ghostsof1915]

 It would be nice if the Canucks were a little more proactive. If we get some more cap space, and then trade some pieces to get more cap space and maybe picks/and or prospects. That way the team is way better off, in case of a crucial player gets injured, then the club has the flexibility going forward.

[Warhippy]

51 minutes ago, Timråfan said:

No, the doom mongers will continue to spread the false narrative that we have cap problems.

 

 

Doom mongers?

False Narrative?

 

Just curious.  What....is false about these numbers again?  Even with a $4 million increase.  Just you know, asking what is false about any of that

[Timråfan]

5 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Doom mongers?

False Narrative?

 

Just curious.  What....is false about these numbers again?  Even with a $4 million increase.  Just you know, asking what is false about any of that

You can read my next post 

[Gurn]

People seem to be confusing the idea of 'cap trouble' with not being able to get under the cap. Then saying we have no cap issues because we can get under.

 

 

It is, of course, possible, and required, to get under the cap.

The issue is getting under the cap, and still having a team that can make the playoffs, or even come close.

 

 

[Timråfan]

2 minutes ago, Gurn said:

People seem to be confusing the idea of 'cap trouble' with not being able to get under the cap. Then saying we have no cap issues because we can get under.

 

 

It is, of course, possible, and required, to get under the cap.

The issue is getting under the cap, and still having a team that can make the playoffs, or even come close.

 

 

The play offs is alright with the team we have. 
But we will be high odds to ger any far.

That bit starts 24/25

[Dr. Crossbar]

35 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Allvin said he wasn't concerned about the cap.  Now we know why.  He has inside info we don't have.  With an extra $4 million in cap space, we are cap compliant even with Poolman on the roster, plus we can sign Bear and Kravtsov.  Also, we can put Pearson on LTIR during the summer.  I expect that to happen as I don't see any way he will be able to start the season on the roster.

 

If we can move Garland which they are actively trying to do, then that should free up the cap space available to get a 3C and another Dman...

This. ^^^

 

Allvin is further under the microscope now after sitting on his first season. He has to find a way to make it work. There really isn't any other option. I'm confident in their competency. 

 

Based on the decisions so far, moves, etc ... I'm not worried, or even - to use the most overused, emotional and dramatic word word on here - "concerned" that it will be a problem. And I'm glad he said he's not concerned. 

 

 

[Warhippy]

12 minutes ago, Timråfan said:

You can read my next post 

But...that's hard work 

[Phil_314]

That would be the best outcome for us.  No longer handcuffed and needing to dump a "bloated" contract (Boeser/ Garland), and if it goes up enough we can move Myers and Beauvillier as pending UFAs with retention to maximize the return.  Now I just hope management doesn't screw it up like they did last time ($12 million coming off the books?  Let's add OEL and Garland to eat up all that space in 1 fell swoop!).

[BCNate]

24 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Doom mongers?

False Narrative?

 

Just curious.  What....is false about these numbers again?  Even with a $4 million increase.  Just you know, asking what is false about any of that

With LTIR we have 9 million to spend if the cap goes up 4 million.  We will have a full roster at that.  Really it is an issue of shifting $ and re allocating money from the wing to D and C to improve the team.  Once Myers and Pearson are off the books after next year, OEL is the only bad $ on the books.