[REPORT] Pierre-Luc Dubois has requested a trade

[ilduce39]

You should be allowed to sign as many guys as you want as long as the roster is cap compliant on any given game.

 

Instead of fans grumbling about veteran so and so making too much it would be kind of exciting to see them get into the odd game and make something happen.

[shiznak]

51 minutes ago, Bob.Loblaw said:

*If he truly wants just MTL*

 

I don’t see why any team would try trading for him, though.  He won't sign with you, he doesn't want to play for you, and ditto for any team you try to flip him over to.  It would be like acquiring him for the sole purpose of turning a profit.  That's a big gamble for a player of his level.

I think the “I only want to play for Montreal” is blown way out of proportion, just because he lives 45 mins away from the Bell Centre. 
 

I’m almost certain he’ll welcome to an extension on a contending team, who has the room to fit him there long term. Carolina or New Jersey are the ideal fits for him, given the age of their core, and window to win the Cup.

[Sophomore Jinx]

1 hour ago, Kenny Powers said:

Possible 3 way trade?

[chon derry]

Shades of Jonathan drouin no thanks 

[Provost]

15 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

that's a really dick move to trade a player signed to a max contract to a team nobody wants to sign with right before his NTC kicks in.. and probably will have effect on future signings.. if you are EP would you want to sign ur long term extension here in the summer knowing the team could all of a sudden trade you to arizona for the next 8 years after he signed or would he wait until his current contract expires and have a full NMC before signing his next contract? winnipeg is like the arizona of the north.. no one wants to spend 7-8 years there.. winnipeg would be absolutely stupid to make that trade without talking to JT Miller first to see his intention.. JT will never hold out.. he can let his play do the talking and just float around and collect his 8mil.. no GM is stupid enough to make that type of trade without consulting because they play in a city no one wants to live in.

Nope... players know it is a business and guys without trade protection get traded.  Miller's agent knew the scoop when he signed the deal and wanted to strike while the iron was hot after a career year.  Miller didn't take a discount, he got full market value based on his age, production history, and risk on the back end of the deal.  No one thought he was a perennial 100+ point guy for that entire contract until he was in his late 30's. 

A guaranteed contract of $56 million regardless of how he played this season, or even if he got a career ending injury was the reason he signed early. 

Petterson doesn't have to worry about getting traded because he isn't a player a team is going to trade.  Being worth more than your contract is excellent trade protection.  His agent made it pretty clear they would start talking in the summer, but not rushing out to sign an extension as soon as he is eligible.  He isn't a UFA at the end of this contract so it isn't a big risk if we don't extend him early.

 

[qwijibo]

1 hour ago, HKSR said:

To VAN

Dach

Barron

 

To MTL

PLD

 

To WPG

JT Miller

Montreal is not giving up that much to get him.  If he truly wants to play there they can afford to simply wait a year.  Winnipeg is under the gun. Also.  I think Montreal is interested but not to the point of selling the farm to get him.  As has been mentioned. There are red flags with this player. 
 

 

[King Heffy]

17 minutes ago, Provost said:

Nope... players know it is a business and guys without trade protection get traded.  Miller's agent knew the scoop when he signed the deal and wanted to strike while the iron was hot after a career year.  Miller didn't take a discount, he got full market value based on his age, production history, and risk on the back end of the deal.  No one thought he was a perennial 100+ point guy for that entire contract until he was in his late 30's. 

A guaranteed contract of $56 million regardless of how he played this season, or even if he got a career ending injury was the reason he signed early. 

Petterson doesn't have to worry about getting traded because he isn't a player a team is going to trade.  Being worth more than your contract is excellent trade protection.  His agent made it pretty clear they would start talking in the summer, but not rushing out to sign an extension as soon as he is eligible.  He isn't a UFA at the end of this contract so it isn't a big risk if we don't extend him early.

 

Philly did something similar with Carter and it didn't seem to impact them.

[stawns]

2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

To Vancouver:

Pierre-Luc Dubois

Brenden Dillon

2023 18OA

 

To Winnipeg:

JT Miller

Conor Garland

2023 11OA

 

Sign PLD to an 8.5x8 contract extension...

 

I'd probably do that

[stawns]

33 minutes ago, chon derry said:

Shades of Jonathan drouin no thanks 

PLD has been a beast and consistent to boot

[chon derry]

6 minutes ago, stawns said:

PLD has been a beast and consistent to boot

Beast or not it’s his 2nd trade request. That isn’t to say he won’t find contentment somewhere. It seems him and drouin will find it together. 

[Provost]

It should also be noted, that PLD actually hasn't demanded a trade.  His agent just said he won't be signing a long term extension in Winnipeg and that it might be best to move on right now than have it linger for a year before free agency.  He hasn't said he will hold out.  This isn't really any news beyond that we already knew he wasn't planning on signing long term.

It is interesting that Hellebuck is rumoured to be on his way out as well, he is a UFA next year regardless.  Winnipeg doesn't have a successor in the pipeline.... we happen to have a goalie in the system that is currently highly touted Latvian hero.

You would think a deal with Miller and Silovs for PLD (signed) and one of their veteran D men.. with whatever pieces going either way to make the cap and value even out.

Trades are hard to come by, but the motivations seem to make us a good trading partner.  They get a C replacement, they get a highly thought of goalie who could be a back up behind Hellebuck for a year and see if he can take over a starting job, even as a 1a/1b situation with another goalie starting in 2024.

We get a C who is more in the age range of when we hope our team improves, plus some defensive help in the short term while we are trying to rebuild a D core.  Either Dillon or DeMelo automatically slot into our top 4 at a cheap price tag.  That would be good insurance if we can't move Myers or at least can't move him until his bonus is paid in September.

Dillon-Hronek pairing gives you that all purpose minute munching pairing that can take a load off both Hughes and OEL and let them play a game more suited to their skillset.  DeMelo is also an option, not quite as well suited, but also kills penalties and would likely slot in with Hughes

[wai_lai416]

38 minutes ago, Provost said:

Nope... players know it is a business and guys without trade protection get traded.  Miller's agent knew the scoop when he signed the deal and wanted to strike while the iron was hot after a career year.  Miller didn't take a discount, he got full market value based on his age, production history, and risk on the back end of the deal.  No one thought he was a perennial 100+ point guy for that entire contract until he was in his late 30's. 

A guaranteed contract of $56 million regardless of how he played this season, or even if he got a career ending injury was the reason he signed early. 

Petterson doesn't have to worry about getting traded because he isn't a player a team is going to trade.  Being worth more than your contract is excellent trade protection.  His agent made it pretty clear they would start talking in the summer, but not rushing out to sign an extension as soon as he is eligible.  He isn't a UFA at the end of this contract so it isn't a big risk if we don't extend him early.

 

sure it's business but it's bad business.. how many player that signed an extension (not a sign and trade) and gets traded 1 year later before his contract even kicks in? i can't even think of 1... we are not talking about players that requested a trade out etc.. and i don't even think there's a player that requested a trade out before extension kicked in.

 

lol Pettersson for sure have to worry about getting traded if he signs that massive 8 year this summer.. if the team absolutely sh*ts the bed again this upcoming season.. we might be looking at a full blown clean house rebuild, and Hronek will play out his rfa. if we dont' extend EP early it's a giant risk lol.. if he doesn't talk contract during the season which is possible so he can focus that basically leaves 2 months or less depending if we make the playoff from him signing his qualifying offer. 

[Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw]

1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said:

that's a really dick move to trade a player signed to a max contract to a team nobody wants to sign with right before his NTC kicks in.. and probably will have effect on future signings.. if you are EP would you want to sign ur long term extension here in the summer knowing the team could all of a sudden trade you to arizona for the next 8 years after he signed or would he wait until his current contract expires and have a full NMC before signing his next contract? winnipeg is like the arizona of the north.. no one wants to spend 7-8 years there.. winnipeg would be absolutely stupid to make that trade without talking to JT Miller first to see his intention.. JT will never hold out.. he can let his play do the talking and just float around and collect his 8mil.. no GM is stupid enough to make that type of trade without consulting because they play in a city no one wants to live in.

The permanent problem of Winnipeg.  Unless you're from there that's the last place people want to spend their careers in.

 

54 minutes ago, Provost said:

Nope... players know it is a business and guys without trade protection get traded.  Miller's agent knew the scoop when he signed the deal and wanted to strike while the iron was hot after a career year.  Miller didn't take a discount, he got full market value based on his age, production history, and risk on the back end of the deal.  No one thought he was a perennial 100+ point guy for that entire contract until he was in his late 30's. 

A guaranteed contract of $56 million regardless of how he played this season, or even if he got a career ending injury was the reason he signed early. 

Petterson doesn't have to worry about getting traded because he isn't a player a team is going to trade.  Being worth more than your contract is excellent trade protection.  His agent made it pretty clear they would start talking in the summer, but not rushing out to sign an extension as soon as he is eligible.  He isn't a UFA at the end of this contract so it isn't a big risk if we don't extend him early.

As with any business you will carry a reputation, good or bad.  And judging by media perceptions (take it with a grain of salt, of course), Vancouver's reputation is pretty poor right now 

[Ted Lasso]

1 hour ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Probably overpaying for a UFA we can't afford?

[Provost]

5 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

sure it's business but it's bad business.. how many player that signed an extension (not a sign and trade) and gets traded 1 year later before his contract even kicks in? i can't even think of 1... we are not talking about players that requested a trade out etc.. and i don't even think there's a player that requested a trade out before extension kicked in.

 

lol Pettersson for sure have to worry about getting traded if he signs that massive 8 year this summer.. if the team absolutely sh*ts the bed again this upcoming season.. we might be looking at a full blown clean house rebuild, and Hronek will play out his rfa. if we dont' extend EP early it's a giant risk lol.. if he doesn't talk contract during the season which is possible so he can focus that basically leaves 2 months or less depending if we make the playoff from him signing his qualifying offer. 

MANY players get traded on contracts they signed before their NTC protection kicks in in later years, so this isn't really any different.

The league only has short term memory... in a year, no one remembers Miller's contract details when he was traded.

Basically every pundit in hockey has talked about a possible Miller trade and they aren't bringing up anything about it negatively impacting the reputation of the Canucks.  Winning is what matters... if we make a move that ends up with the team being better, our players aren't going to be crying about an ex-teammate.

PLD doesn't make us better immediately... but PLD plus DeMelo probably does.  We invent a very good top 4 D pairing from thin air in half a season, and that is the biggest need.  It far outstrips losing a bit of short term offence from PLD to Miller.

[Wilbur]

2 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

On the one hand, I *think* this is the SECOND time he's asked to be traded.  On the other hand, the cities involved were Columbus (Blue Jackets) and of course now, Winnipeg (Jets).

I still don't think it looks good.  Holding out and demanding to be traded rarely looks good to me.  The only team I don't blame players for holding out to get out of is Arizona.

[coryberg]

1 hour ago, ilduce39 said:

You should be allowed to sign as many guys as you want as long as the roster is cap compliant on any given game.

 

Instead of fans grumbling about veteran so and so making too much it would be kind of exciting to see them get into the odd game and make something happen.

The leafs and rangers would sign all the good players. That's why there is a salary cap.

[King Heffy]

44 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

sure it's business but it's bad business.. how many player that signed an extension (not a sign and trade) and gets traded 1 year later before his contract even kicks in? i can't even think of 1... we are not talking about players that requested a trade out etc.. and i don't even think there's a player that requested a trade out before extension kicked in.

 

lol Pettersson for sure have to worry about getting traded if he signs that massive 8 year this summer.. if the team absolutely sh*ts the bed again this upcoming season.. we might be looking at a full blown clean house rebuild, and Hronek will play out his rfa. if we dont' extend EP early it's a giant risk lol.. if he doesn't talk contract during the season which is possible so he can focus that basically leaves 2 months or less depending if we make the playoff from him signing his qualifying offer. 

Carter and Richards.

[GhostsOf1994]

2 hours ago, Sophomore Jinx said:

 

[Ghostsof1915]

2 hours ago, chon derry said:

Shades of Jonathan drouin no thanks 

The funny thing is. Montreal made a big splash signing Drouin. And Tampa is laughing at that deal. Now Droiun is a UFA. Are we even sure he's in the right mental state to play hockey still? (Sounds like Daigle)

Maybe Montreal doesn't want to make a trade for a forward who can't seem to commit to the team he's on.

Edited June 8, 2023 by Ghostsof1915