King Heffy Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Just now, wai_lai416 said: Yes but he didn’t just sign an extension and got traded he was traded while he had no trade protection yet from his long ass contract so he knew there was always possibility he gets traded till that kicks in And trading Miller before his trade protection kicks in would be the same kind of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 2 hours ago, grandmaster said: Haha! JT would lose his mind in Winterpeg. He and his family love it here in Van city. JT is staying. That trade would also cause other players being reluctant to signing extensions here. Especially when one gets traded that quickly and to such an undesirable place. Gives the Canucks a bad name. Bad move all around. I don't think that trade is happening, but I think it's a pretty even split on whether he's moved or not. The UFA crop is pretty slim, so that makes Miller very valuable at the draft 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Just now, King Heffy said: And trading Miller before his trade protection kicks in would be the same kind of thing. No it isn’t you trading a guy that signed his max contract expecting to retire here vs a guy that have the expectation he might get traded half way thru his contract Richards had no control over his contract when he signed for the first 5 years miller does. You think miller signs that contract if he remotely even thinks he’s going to get traded prior to the contract kicking in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: No it isn’t you trading a guy that signed his max contract expecting to retire here vs a guy that have the expectation he might get traded half way thru his contract Richards had no control over his contract when he signed for the first 5 years miller does. You think miller signs that contract if he remotely even thinks he’s going to get traded prior to the contract kicking in? Richards had just signed his deal too, as had Carter. Neither were expecting to be traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 1 minute ago, King Heffy said: Richards had just signed his deal too, as had Carter. Neither were expecting to be traded. If I’m not mistaken Subban was traded either before his new 8 year contract started or 1 year in to the contract before his NMC kicked in as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Richards had just signed his deal too, as had Carter. Neither were expecting to be traded. mike richards was signed in 2007 like 3 or 4 years before he was traded 2 minutes ago, qwijibo said: If I’m not mistaken Subban was traded either before his new 8 year contract started or 1 year in to the contract before his NMC kicked in as well subban was traded 2 years after his contract started and that's his issue for not negotiating a no trade for the entire contract or is there some rules with RFA not allowed to have any trade protection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 23 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: mike richards was signed in 2007 like 3 or 4 years before he was traded subban was traded 2 years after his contract started and that's his issue for not negotiating a no trade for the entire contract or is there some rules with RFA not allowed to have any trade protection Yes, only UFA years can have protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Castiglione Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 16 hours ago, Kenny Powers said: Bedard….are you taking notes? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Pass 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 27 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: Yes, only UFA years can have protection. so basically different circumstances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, kodos said: I am completely perplexed as to why anyone would suggest we trade for this guy. It is so beyond obvious that he's going to Montreal, and Montreal only. That's the script. But it's hockey and it often doesn't follow the script. Edited June 8, 2023 by IBatch 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, stawns said: I don't think that trade is happening, but I think it's a pretty even split on whether he's moved or not. The UFA crop is pretty slim, so that makes Miller very valuable at the draft Miller has already had this happen to him once. People need to let go of the idea he's going anywhere. All he wants to do is win, and win a cup with the Canucks. When is the last time we've had anyone actually promote this on an ongoing basis? We could do a lot worse. Maybe PLD is a lot worse. Edited June 8, 2023 by IBatch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 1 hour ago, DrJockitch said: Everyone thinks if we do this nobody will sign here. Over and over we see this stated on this board. That is silly conjecture and players almost never look at it that way. Players see money, term and location not what happened to another player at some point in the past. That is the game. He got a $56M contract he can complain all he wants. You’re wrong. JT could have easily got more in free agency. It’s the wrong message to other players, not just JT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, IBatch said: Miller has already had this happen to him once. People need to let go of the idea he's going anywhere. All he wants to do is win, and win a cup with the Canucks. When is the last time we've had anyone actually promote this on an ongoing basis? We could do a lot worse. Maybe PLD is a lot worse. Were there negotiations between Van and Pit at the tdl? Edited June 8, 2023 by stawns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, grandmaster said: You’re wrong. JT could have easily got more in free agency. It’s the wrong message to other players, not just JT. No you’re wrong. What use is even posting that. Evidence has shown again and again that a player will do what they feel serves them best at that time. They don’t care if JTM got traded before his NMC kicks in. They understand this is a business trades can happen at any time. You are just wrong here. Edited June 8, 2023 by DrJockitch 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Dizzle Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 12 minutes ago, grandmaster said: You’re wrong. JT could have easily got more in free agency. It’s the wrong message to other players, not just JT. 1 minute ago, DrJockitch said: No your wrong. What use is even posting that. Evidence has shown again and again that a player will do what they feel serves them best at that time. They don’t care if JTM got traded before his NMC kicks in. They understand this is a business trades can happen at any time. You are just wrong here. You're both wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, J-Dizzle said: You're both wrong. You’re right, autocorrect swapped the wrong your in. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckwings Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Another player demanding where he wants to go. Not sure what kind of package Jets can get if he's only willing to go to one team. Habs has lots of assets but if they know they're the only player I wonder if they lowball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, stawns said: Were there negotiations between Van and Pit at the tdl? Were there? Or was it just interest. I'm not saying it won't happen, it just seems pretty unlikely at this point. It seems like there is a certain element that wanted him traded for what NYR were offering. I wanted both Horvat and Miller to stay, but not at the combined cap hit they both got. And do think they backed the right horse. The complacency in this club has seemed to persist for a very very long time, and grew tired of it a long time ago. Smack the stick on the goalies net is actually a pretty funny thing, he made the dumb play that made him smack the stick. But at that moment was still right to smack his stick. Personally feel the Canucks have been vanilla at best, for so long I don't even know what to say. We get a guy that not only puts the team on his back for half a season, but has some colour, and so many complaints we've lacked that for awhile. Really to me he's a lot like Jovo was. Just in the top six/top pairing. Team needs some fire. Trading him for PLD seems smart on paper given the age difference, but i'd bet he won't produce more and he's also a bit of an entitled little shit given he's asking for a trade. JT Miller did his time, making a lot less than what he was worth. I for one won't complain if he drops to 60 points next season on the second line, but expect a lot of others will. Edited June 8, 2023 by IBatch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, IBatch said: We're there? We’re is the past tense for are. we’re is short for we are. Edited June 8, 2023 by chon derry 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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