HKSR Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 1 minute ago, 24K PureCool said: Jey I didn't say good. I said someone servicible like Bear on a 4.5 mil contract. A Bear-level defenceman at 4.5M is the equivalent to nearly a 7M cap hit including the dead cap. In those 2 years of $4.8M dead cap, it's like paying Ethan Bear $9.3M for 2 years in a row! It's brutal. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 25 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: If this move gives the team the space to sign or trade for a couple of solid defensemen to round out the top 4 with size and stay at home acumen, I think you'll look back on this move with indifference. However if it is just replaced with another albatross... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shekky Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) Not surprising for 7.2mil he was not living up to his contract with his performance it will suck the 2 years of the over 4 mil in dead cap. Outside of those years it isn't too bad. Really goes to show just how bad Benning's moves were, he dumped 3 players that were all on expiring deals only to get back another player with even longer term. I don't have much expectation that the Canucks are going to make it far in the playoffs if they manage to even get there next year. Until this team finally fully embraces a full rebuild I am not holding out hope for them. Edited June 16, 2023 by Shekky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, EternalCanuckFan said: Can't see the Canucks having the pieces for Hanifin unless they're looking at moving a 1st Rd pick. Hanifin is 26 and will need a new contract after this one. If the 11OA is in play for Hanifin at a division rival, then I will feel a lot less positive about the cap space the Canucks just bought. To me, the goal now is to continue to try to move out cap but to require more assets in return now that there is cap space to work with. At the same time, the team needs to continue adding young depth, ideally with a longer time horizon not just for team control but also a lower AAV. Hanifin could be a $7M+ dman next summer at the rate prices are increasing, and the Canucks will have to re-sign Hronek too. If there was some way to bring in Hanifin without trading a 1st, then sure, I'd be interested, but I can't see why CGY would do that with the Canucks. 11OA for Hanifin is way too much. How about Garland or Beau with a 2024 first? I hope by next year that pick be in the 20’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 This management wasn't going to allow themselves to be handcuffed by that contract. This was the right thing to do. Especially if other options were exhausted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Lot of people counting on the cap going up. Given current world events, I'm not so sure. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Kevin Biestra said: Yeah given that it happened in the cap era with its implications I would say it could be the worst trade in NHL history. Definitely worst for the Canucks by a country mile. Oh ffs get tf out. Scott Gomez? There's tons of worse trades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Which they likely still won't be thanks to the idiots running the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said: Soooo.....PA is screwing two franchises with one move....impressive.... Watch Bettman, …He’ll call it a loophole and fine the Canucks and then change ghe agreement/ rule. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, HKSR said: A Bear-level defenceman at 4.5M is the equivalent to nearly a 7M cap hit including the dead cap. In those 2 years of $4.8M dead cap, it's like paying Ethan Bear $9.3M for 2 years in a row! It's brutal. Hey at least that is improvement over OEL with the same cap hit and I said short term like 1 or 2 years before the $4 mil cap hit. Read please. This is the minimum expectation for this not to blow up in their face. So trade for another team's elephant that have been chewed a bit more than our OEL wholly mamoth. Edited June 16, 2023 by 24K PureCool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 So....Robert Hagg league minimum contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 20 minutes ago, cripplereh said: Watch tomorrow the NHL gives teams a free buyout and we get burned again . Experience Canucks hockey 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gurn said: Lot of people counting on the cap going up. Given current world events, I'm not so sure. I wouldn't worry about that barring another pandemic. If the world goes to shit, we probably won't have a nhl league anyways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PhillipBlunt Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: However if it is just replaced with another albatross... Well. That remains to be seen. Based on Hronek, I'd like to think that Alvin realizes that the skill portion of the defense is acquitted quite nicely. Now, time for some stay at home bone crushing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: So. $5 million in dead cap RIGHT when Hronek, Pettersson, Beauvillier, Podkolzin, Nils, Dakota, Studnicka, Brisebois all need new contracts or extensions and when Demko is due for his extension during the weakest free agency crop in the last 5 years plus an additional $2.417 million in dead cap for the next 7 straight years minimum for a team that has been at or above the cap every year since 2010 and boasts one of the shallowest prospect and depth pools in the entire league Ya, seems real smart. Because why not right? This is without mentioning we have currently got Myers as our best non Hughes defenseman in a year where Serverson just got $6+ million meaning every single dog and pony show on the blue line is going to start at $4.5 million in free agency and this is an organization with a long successful history of questionable free agency signings. Bear injured until at least November, Burroughs, Brisebois and Rathbone as our 3,4,5 while he's out. I question the hell out of the timing and intelligence of this move when Boeser or Myers would have returned more cap space in a shorter amount of time without the dead cap Edited June 16, 2023 by Warhippy 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: However if it is just replaced with another albatross... No we swapped and Albatross for a Seagull. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MaxVerstappen33 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: Assuming they qualify Bear, they'll have 10 million in cap space (with Pearson + Poolman as LTIR riders) I dont think they can stop here - simply replacing OEL with a 5 million dollar defenseman (Graves) and getting a 3C is not going to make us better. Long run it makes us worse, because we'll be paying a Graves type player 5m + having OELs buyout on the books. They need to push the chips in, clear even more cap, and completely restructure this thing Attach a sweetener or retain something on Garland Launch Myers into the sun (Arizona) after his Bonus is paid Then weaponize the 20 million in cap space to steal good players from Boston, Tampa etc etc. If they can turn this disaster into a lineup with Barbashev & Acciari as 3c and 4c, and exploit LA or Columbus to pick up someone like Roy & Sign Graves, pick up a Forbort from Boston now i think we're talking Kuzmenko-Petey-Beauvillier Mikheyev-Miller-Boeser Joshua-Barbashev-Podkolzin Hoglander-Acciari-Studnicka Hughes-Roy Graves-Hronek Forbort-Bear Doing this buyout for anything short of this outcome is a big disaster. Too many moving parts. They won't be able to swing a restructure like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rychicken Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: However if it is just replaced with another albatross... an albatross is great in golf - maybe the Canucks are playing so much golf they think it's a good thing in hockey as well?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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