cripplereh Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Just now, iinatcc said: If he's not overpaid wouldn't the Canucks have traded Garland by now? Cap space for three, now four years is why players are not moving like the n the past. Blame Bettman for that. More teams are playing elc players and others getting less money, only ones still making big money are the odds ufa or players they have any to keep,plus stars . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Just now, cripplereh said: Cap space for three, now four years is why players are not moving like the n the past. Blame Bettman for that. More teams are playing elc players and others getting less money, only ones still making big money are the odds ufa or players they have any to keep,plus stars . Blame COVID. Bettman and the players union managed to keep hockey going and even extended the CBA to avoid a work stoppage. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 3 hours ago, HKSR said: Newhook: 22yo, 27goals and 66 points in 159 career games over 3 seasons. Hoglander: 22yo, 26goals and 54 points in 141 games over 3 seasons. Love how people write off Hoglander while a player that is about the same brings in a 1st, 2nd, and a prospect in trade value. Just because a team overpays to get a player doesn’t mean that’s his true value. Montreal got a first for Chariot a few years ago. Does that mean Myers is worth a 1st? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, shiznak said: Just because a team overpays to get a player doesn’t mean that’s his true value. Montreal got a first for Chariot a few years ago. Does that mean Myers is worth a 1st? Yes it ummm hmmm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 17 minutes ago, cripplereh said: Cap space for three, now four years is why players are not moving like the n the past. Blame Bettman for that. More teams are playing elc players and others getting less money, only ones still making big money are the odds ufa or players they have any to keep,plus stars . If he was worth what his contact is a few teams, at least, would be interested in acquiring him. And even with the flat cap. He signed they extension during the flat cap period. So he is indeed overpaid relative to the current cap situation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 23 minutes ago, shiznak said: Just because a team overpays to get a player doesn’t mean that’s his true value. Montreal got a first for Chariot a few years ago. Does that mean Myers is worth a 1st? And they used that first from tbe Chairot trade to get Newhook today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gawdzukes Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 2 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: I stand corrected. What were the sports you played? I do think that both will be dealt before the season begins, and without needing to take too much back. Garland has value, although probably as part of a larger package versus a 1-1. Same with Rathbone. I think the Canucks have been mired in mediocrity for so long that players who've dwindled here, have tended to find more success once traded. Was not super serious about it, more so commenting on Hughes' penchant for signing smallish players. Predominantly rugby and soccer in Europe and even some hockey for a couple years during the offseason. I really hope both are traded and they could find success elsewhere no doubt. Garland because he simply costs too much to be a 2nd line/3rd line rover and Rathbone because even if he comes back better, which is uncertain for sure, he's a bad fit in Van. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 1 hour ago, cripplereh said: Cap space for three, now four years is why players are not moving like the n the past. Blame Bettman for that. More teams are playing elc players and others getting less money, only ones still making big money are the odds ufa or players they have any to keep,plus stars . Actually Bettman isn't to blame. Covid is to blame. They had zero attendance the one year and that has caused the cap freeze. Now that things are back to "normal", the escrow debt that kept the players paid is almost paid off and the cap will rise next year as planned. As such guys like Garland, Beauvillier, and even Boeser have close to or zero value right now. It sucks but all the teams are in the same boat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Naslund Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 5 hours ago, HKSR said: Newhook: 22yo, 27goals and 66 points in 159 career games over 3 seasons. Hoglander: 22yo, 26goals and 54 points in 141 games over 3 seasons. Love how people write off Hoglander while a player that is about the same brings in a 1st, 2nd, and a prospect in trade value. NHL fans/pundits value draft position way higher than the actual skill level of players. It’s why teams are stuck in purgatory forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcheeze86 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 Really surprised that alvin hasnt been busier with all this movement were seeing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanless Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 6 hours ago, JeremyCuddles said: 30 point center fetched a 1st and a 2nd? Montreal super desperate for a center. Lol. 6 years ago that would have been two second round picks for a highly skilled centre that needs a bit more development Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 7 hours ago, HKSR said: Newhook: 22yo, 27goals and 66 points in 159 career games over 3 seasons. Hoglander: 22yo, 26goals and 54 points in 141 games over 3 seasons. Love how people write off Hoglander while a player that is about the same brings in a 1st, 2nd, and a prospect in trade value. Newhook plays center but he doesn’t win enough faceoffs to stick at the position. I’d wager he transitions over to the wing. So really him and Hoglander should have similar value. With the Canucks talking about moving Garland and having Beauvillier’s contract expiring after this season we’ll need Hoglander next year to take a step and show he can replace those guys the following season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 9 hours ago, HKSR said: Newhook: 22yo, 27goals and 66 points in 159 career games over 3 seasons. Hoglander: 22yo, 26goals and 54 points in 141 games over 3 seasons. Love how people write off Hoglander while a player that is about the same brings in a 1st, 2nd, and a prospect in trade value. There’s a huge difference.. one is a 30 point guy.. the other haven’t even touched 30 and gotten worse and worse production wise started great 27 points.. then 18.. then 9 so I dunno how they are remotely the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teepain Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Gawdzukes said: Actually Bettman isn't to blame. Covid is to blame. They had zero attendance the one year and that has caused the cap freeze. Now that things are back to "normal", the escrow debt that kept the players paid is almost paid off and the cap will rise next year as planned. As such guys like Garland, Beauvillier, and even Boeser have close to or zero value right now. It sucks but all the teams are in the same boat. Curious if the nba or nfl stopped their sport economy for a few years. I mean even life in general isnt a flat cap. Bettmans ridiculous actually Edited June 28, 2023 by teepain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 So, Montreal traded a 1st and a 2nd to get Newhook? Isn't that what we traded to get Hronek? Do people still think we lost the Hronek trade? A top 4 RHD who can play in all situations versus a 30-point centre who can't take faceoffs and will probably be moved to the wing... 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson-JH Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: That's not fair, brother! And Montréal gets a new hook! Edited June 28, 2023 by Crimson-JH 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: So, Montreal traded a 1st and a 2nd to get Newhook? Isn't that what we traded to get Hronek? Do people still think we lost the Hronek trade? A top 4 RHD who can play in all situations versus a 30-point centre who can't take faceoffs and will probably be moved to the wing... Was thinking that exact same thing yesterday. Folks were saying wait until the draft, when picks are worth far more... Doubt we'd get Hronek any cheaper now, than we did, when we traded for him. More likely the contrary... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 14 hours ago, rekker said: Seems to be a shortage of centers out there, probably a by-product of teams locking up centers to longer term contracts over the last few years. So glad we locked up JT. I am fearful that we may overpay for Barbashev though. Noticed this too. If we did overpay for him, that means our D re-tool for sure takes a back seat. Soucy/Schenn and Barbashev, while we draft and wait for our cap to shed? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 13 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: I think it could definitely happen. He'd probably take less to play there than he would in Toronto. Totally. More likely take less there than here lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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