The Lock Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 32 minutes ago, bloodycanuckleheads said: The Expansion Draft is starting in a few minutes, so I thought I should check the final sentiment here (before people get the chance to re-write history)... I have 7 up-votes for starting this post - and the first comment has 15 (for disagreeing with me). So, that means that more than 2 out of 3 forum members think that the Nucks are going to beat Vegas next year. Pretty decisive. 68.2%. I think the majority of you are going to be pretty surprised in a couple hours! It's going to be far more disgusting than I thought. The team they are going to have (once this all plays out) is gonna be so much better than us, it's not even funny. The Expansion Draft is just the beginning too. They're going to have so many tradeable assets, they could assemble a decent team just from that. So, their team is only going to get better and better over the next few months. They aren't just going to be better than us next season - they're going to beat us by like 20+ points! And, worse yet, they're going to be deeper than our team and have a much better prospect-pool too. They'll be "so much better than us" in your eyes even if they picked the worst players out there. That's just how your posts go.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 They could have a better team if they didn't make all these backdoor deals for uncertain prospects. Should have really screwed over some teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodycanuckleheads Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 OK, now that the Expansion Draft is over, it's time to see what's what. But, remember, this is only what Vegas is starting with. They have a metric-poop-ton of assets that they can trade in order to upgrade. For instance, they've got half a dozen first and second round picks they can trade - and still leave themselves with all their original picks! Half a dozen! Those are just the extras they have... And, that's just the picks. They've also got several valuable players they don't need... For instance, here is how their pool of picks compares to ours: VEGAS 2017 PICKS: #6, #13, #15, #34, #45, #65, #74, (possibly #85), #96, #127, #142, #158, #161, #189 NUCKS 2017 PICKS: #5, #33, #55, #64, #95, #112, #188 THEIR PRELIMINARY LINE-UP Forwards: (KOVALCHUK?) - SHIPACHYOV - GUSEV NEAL - MARCHESSAULT - SMITH PERRON - EAKIN - KARLSSON BELLEMARE - HAULA/LINDBERG - PULKKINEN extras: LEIPSIC, CARRIER, THORBURN Defense: METHOT - EMELIN GARRISON - van RIEMSDYK SCHMIDT - SBISA extras: SCHLEMKO, ENGELLAND Goal: FLEURY - PICKARD They seem to have built-for-the-future, instead of win-now. Their roster doesn't look too great, but again, this is only their starting-position. The Canucks' line-up is pretty much set, we don't have much flexibility - but not them! They can upgrade all over their line-up if they want to (of course, they might just choose to keep building for the future)! So, if you don't like Karlsson being forced into the 3rd line RW role - just imagine what Karlsson plus a 1st buys you! Whatever it is, it's better than Karlsson. You can do that about 5 or 6 times with all the assets you have (and still have all your original picks and a bunch of extra players). You can dramatically upgrade two whole lines if you want to. So, when you look at the above roster, remember that half-a-dozen times, you can swap the person there with someone who's a lot better. Or, maybe 2-3 times you could do a MASSIVE upgrade. But there's more still: FORWARDS to trade/send-down/dispose-of: Nosek, Tuch, Brickley DEFENSE to trade/send-down/dispose-of: Theodore, Miller, McNabb, Merrill, Stoner, Reinhart A few of those guys are valuable! Looking at that line-up, you can almost guarantee that they'll try to pick up Ilya Kovalchuk to reunite him with the his linemates from the KHL. So, I'm going to include him here. If they're half as good as they were in the KHL last season, look out... Let's see how their line-up (right now) compares to what our (presumed) line-up is going to be, scoring-wise: VEGAS POINTS FORWARDS: 51, 46, 41, Ru, Ru, Ru, 37, 26, 25, 20, 12, 8, 2 VANC. POINTS FORWARDS: 52, 51, 44, 35, 34, 32, 24, 9, 8, 7, 5, 4, 1 VEGAS points from bottom 3 lines = 268 VANC. points from bottom 3 lines = 187 VEGAS GOALS FORWARDS: 30, 23, 18, Ru, Ru, Ru, 15, 8, 6, 5, 4, 3, 3 VANC. GOALS FORWARDS: 20, 19, 18, 17, 15, 15, 11, 5, 5, 4, 4, 4, 3 VEGAS POINTS DEFENSE: 18, 17, 16, 16, 13, 12, 10, 9 (total=111) VANC. POINTS DEFENSE: 24, 21, 19, 10, 6, 3, 0, 0 (total=83) Looking at all that, the teams seem pretty even, with Vegas having a slight edge over us. But, that assumes the Russians only play average at best (notice I only have them scoring at a 2nd line level - with their $5 million salaries). Kovalchuk/Shipachyov/Gusev should do better than that. If the Russians play up to their salaries - the team will be phenomenal. If they don't, it will suck. But, of course, the line-up they ice in October will be a lot better than what you see right now! Right now, they are already (arguably) better than us. It only gets worse from here... So, I will change my prediction. Vegas only beats us by 5 (if they continue building for the future, which, looking at their roster, is the direction I expect them to go) or 15 (if they try to win-now). Yup, pretty disgusting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Alot of the predictions of Vegas being good are based on them having a good draft. No guarantees picks equal future stars in a weak draft. I personally think they should hav passed on some of those deals for a better lineup. Lots of what ifs in my books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 7 hours ago, DeNiro said: Alot of the predictions of Vegas being good are based on them having a good draft. No guarantees picks equal future stars in a weak draft. I personally think they should hav passed on some of those deals for a better lineup. Lots of what ifs in my books. Not to mention not much in the way of prospects compared to any team in the league right now. Going to need those draft picks to catch up... Shea Theodore and Stoner were quite the bounty not to picks Vantanen though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 7 hours ago, bloodycanuckleheads said: OK, now that the Expansion Draft is over, it's time to see what's what. But, remember, this is only what Vegas is starting with. They have a metric-poop-ton of assets that they can trade in order to upgrade. For instance, they've got half a dozen first and second round picks they can trade - and still leave themselves with all their original picks! Half a dozen! Those are just the extras they have... And, that's just the picks. They've also got several valuable players they don't need... For instance, here is how their pool of picks compares to ours: VEGAS 2017 PICKS: #6, #13, #15, #34, #45, #65, #74, (possibly #85), #96, #127, #142, #158, #161, #189 NUCKS 2017 PICKS: #5, #33, #55, #64, #95, #112, #188 THEIR PRELIMINARY LINE-UP Forwards: (KOVALCHUK?) - SHIPACHYOV - GUSEV NEAL - MARCHESSAULT - SMITH PERRON - EAKIN - KARLSSON BELLEMARE - HAULA/LINDBERG - PULKKINEN extras: LEIPSIC, CARRIER, THORBURN Defense: METHOT - EMELIN GARRISON - van RIEMSDYK SCHMIDT - SBISA extras: SCHLEMKO, ENGELLAND Goal: FLEURY - PICKARD They seem to have built-for-the-future, instead of win-now. Their roster doesn't look too great, but again, this is only their starting-position. The Canucks' line-up is pretty much set, we don't have much flexibility - but not them! They can upgrade all over their line-up if they want to (of course, they might just choose to keep building for the future)! So, if you don't like Karlsson being forced into the 3rd line RW role - just imagine what Karlsson plus a 1st buys you! Whatever it is, it's better than Karlsson. You can do that about 5 or 6 times with all the assets you have (and still have all your original picks and a bunch of extra players). You can dramatically upgrade two whole lines if you want to. So, when you look at the above roster, remember that half-a-dozen times, you can swap the person there with someone who's a lot better. Or, maybe 2-3 times you could do a MASSIVE upgrade. But there's more still: FORWARDS to trade/send-down/dispose-of: Nosek, Tuch, Brickley DEFENSE to trade/send-down/dispose-of: Theodore, Miller, McNabb, Merrill, Stoner, Reinhart A few of those guys are valuable! Looking at that line-up, you can almost guarantee that they'll try to pick up Ilya Kovalchuk to reunite him with the his linemates from the KHL. So, I'm going to include him here. If they're half as good as they were in the KHL last season, look out... Let's see how their line-up (right now) compares to what our (presumed) line-up is going to be, scoring-wise: VEGAS POINTS FORWARDS: 51, 46, 41, Ru, Ru, Ru, 37, 26, 25, 20, 12, 8, 2 VANC. POINTS FORWARDS: 52, 51, 44, 35, 34, 32, 24, 9, 8, 7, 5, 4, 1 VEGAS points from bottom 3 lines = 268 VANC. points from bottom 3 lines = 187 VEGAS GOALS FORWARDS: 30, 23, 18, Ru, Ru, Ru, 15, 8, 6, 5, 4, 3, 3 VANC. GOALS FORWARDS: 20, 19, 18, 17, 15, 15, 11, 5, 5, 4, 4, 4, 3 VEGAS POINTS DEFENSE: 18, 17, 16, 16, 13, 12, 10, 9 (total=111) VANC. POINTS DEFENSE: 24, 21, 19, 10, 6, 3, 0, 0 (total=83) Looking at all that, the teams seem pretty even, with Vegas having a slight edge over us. But, that assumes the Russians only play average at best (notice I only have them scoring at a 2nd line level - with their $5 million salaries). Kovalchuk/Shipachyov/Gusev should do better than that. If the Russians play up to their salaries - the team will be phenomenal. If they don't, it will suck. But, of course, the line-up they ice in October will be a lot better than what you see right now! Right now, they are already (arguably) better than us. It only gets worse from here... So, I will change my prediction. Vegas only beats us by 5 (if they continue building for the future, which, looking at their roster, is the direction I expect them to go) or 15 (if they try to win-now). Yup, pretty disgusting... Okay. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 10 hours ago, bloodycanuckleheads said: (KOVALCHUK?) - SHIPACHYOV - GUSEV ..... Looking at that line-up, you can almost guarantee that they'll try to pick up Ilya Kovalchuk to reunite him with the his linemates from the KHL. Gusev is still under contract for another year in the KHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbanezRG Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 16 hours ago, flickyoursedin said: They could have a better team if they didn't make all these backdoor deals for uncertain prospects. Should have really screwed over some teams. Wouldnt be good for creating relqtionships with other GMS for future trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownky Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, IbanezRG said: Wouldnt be good for creating relqtionships with other GMS for future trades. McPhee's been around a long time. He mostly built the caps (minus the Erat trade, which got him canned). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inge34 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Vegas will not finish higher than the Canucks next season. They may be 31 and 30 but they will not be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 41 minutes ago, Inge34 said: Vegas will not finish higher than the Canucks next season. They may be 31 and 30 but they will not be better. We really need to raise the bar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayinblack Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 42 minutes ago, Inge34 said: Vegas will not finish higher than the Canucks next season. They may be 31 and 30 but they will not be better. 29. Van 30. LV 31. Avs And that's really hard to do in the same division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodycanuckleheads Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 Las Vegas: 31-11-4 for 66pts (#1 team in the NHL) Vancouver: 18-23-6 for 42pts (#28 overall) Lunch is served! Now, where are we going to find like fifty plates??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Las Vegas has a better team than anyone else in the NHL. Nothing for us Canuck fans to be ashamed of. It's the Sbisa effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SergioMomesso Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 So I guess spending half a billion does buy you a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 15 minutes ago, SergioMomesso said: So I guess spending half a billion does buy you a winner. The other NHL owners will somehow have to be happy with the NHL expansion fee they all shared in..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Without having read anything above my current post (which may have touched on my point here), I took a look at the Knights' stats for Games Played. They really don't seem to have lost a lot of time from their starting roster. While they are playing well (and good on them for their success), I have doubts that they would be anywhere close to their current level of success if they had anywhere near the same amount of games lost due to injury as do the Canucks. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdgraham Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 On 6/22/2017 at 1:21 PM, Jayinblack said: 29. Van 30. LV 31. Avs And that's really hard to do in the same division hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanfor42 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 It is great that LV is so good right away and clearly better than the Canucks. We better sharpen up or die. Lol. Life is not fair and you either rise to the challenge or sink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 They are better than almost all teams so I can take solice in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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