JM_ Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Just now, kanucks25 said: lol. You know you have no rebuttal when. Oh is there a rebuttal to the almighty charts? oh well OK then. Context. Team game. (thats my entire rebuttal) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: Don't need a 4 million dollar goalie to make the playoffs. You need a good goalie to make the playoffs, especially with this defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: You need a good goalie to make the playoffs, especially with this defense. Markstrom has been a good goalie for one season. Hopefully that continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: Oh is there a rebuttal to the almighty charts? oh well OK then. Context. Team game. (thats my entire rebuttal) What context lol? Every sort of stat points to Myers being an average defenseman. Several writers on twitter have shown this statistically in their own way. Eye-test? If you're not going to take my word for it, fine, but go and read the mixed (at best) reviews from Winnipeg and Buffalo fans. There's absolutely nothing out there that you can provide that suggests that Myers is worth anything close to the contract that's rumored other than, again, "If Benning does it, it must be good." I understand the merits of having a "positive outlook" but like I've said here many times in the past, there's positivity and then there's delusion. Hoping Myers becomes/is the D-man we all hope/need him to be won't magically make it so. It didn't make it so with Gudbranson and it's not going to work here. Edited June 24, 2019 by kanucks25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Markstrom has been a good goalie for one season. Hopefully that continues. Yeah hopefully, as much as everyone loves Demko, there's no other options right now. And if we've learned anything from the trade Tanev saga, its that Jim Benning isn't going to weaken his team in the present. (Especially after this JT Miller trade) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, kanucks25 said: What context lol? Every sort of stat points to Myers being an average defenseman. Several writers on twitter have shown this statistically in their own way. Eye-test? If you're not going to take my word for it, fine, but go and read the mixed (at best) reviews from Winnipeg and Buffalo fans. There's absolutely nothing out there that you can provide that suggests that Myers is worth anything close to the contract that's rumored other than, again, "If Benning does it, it must be good." I understand the merits of having a "positive outlook" but like I've said here many times in the past, there's positivity and then there's delusion. Hoping Myers becomes/is the D-man we all hope/need him to be won't magically make it so. It didn't make it so with Gudbranson and it's not going to work here. yeah you can drop that from our discussions please. Don't throw me in that box. Myers is average yes, but we are in a market situation to have to overpay a bit for that. He's going to get paid better than a #4, and not quite a #2. It is what it is. But we're also not giving up an asset for the improvement. And it is an improvement. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 49 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said: Yet he is arguably still better than myers. How are myers number in your opinion? Not good, from what I remember. I haven’t looked lately. Let’s just say I’m not on “Team Myers.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 I can't see this contract being less than 6 x 6. Myers is turning 30, so lets say realistically he's an effective #4D for 3-4 more years. So no matter what this contract is going to be an anchor. That's what I'm bracing for. But what other option do we have? Benning's desperate to improve the defense, & there's not alot of assets to deal trade wise. I think we pretty much have to do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 I could live with a 4-5 years deal for Myers, but anything over that no thanks. He is not that essential of a piece on the blueline. I'm all for going for Dmen in FA, but need to know your price and when to walk away. Explore other options elsewhere. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_impersonator13 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 42 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: I could live with a 4-5 years deal for Myers, but anything over that no thanks. He is not that essential of a piece on the blueline. I'm all for going for Dmen in FA, but need to know your price and when to walk away. Explore other options elsewhere. It's like when I hit some bonus payouts on the Blake Shelton Penny Slots last week at the Casino and was up $65.....should have just taken my money and cashed out 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 59 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: I can't see this contract being less than 6 x 6. Myers is turning 30, so lets say realistically he's an effective #4D for 3-4 more years. So no matter what this contract is going to be an anchor. That's what I'm bracing for. But what other option do we have? Benning's desperate to improve the defense, & there's not alot of assets to deal trade wise. I think we pretty much have to do it. The cap is rising, he can retire without penalty as he is 30, not 35. Myers is a sound defenseman and has a key ingredient that we need with Hughes and Stecher, he is big. Not physical, but big. With Edler, Hutton, Schenn and Myers, we have some size to work with Hughes, Stecher and Tanev. As he gets close to the end of his deal, he will still be able to play and be big. Added that, we are as good as &^@#ed if we don't add a top 4 RHD. It's a seller's market and we need to buy. Suck it up and realize that JB isnt going to make a deal with a conditional 1st and not try everything possible to make that pick as worthless as possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Phat Fingers said: The cap is rising, he can retire without penalty as he is 30, not 35. Myers is a sound defenseman and has a key ingredient that we need with Hughes and Stecher, he is big. Not physical, but big. With Edler, Hutton, Schenn and Myers, we have some size to work with Hughes, Stecher and Tanev. As he gets close to the end of his deal, he will still be able to play and be big. Added that, we are as good as &^@#ed if we don't add a top 4 RHD. It's a seller's market and we need to buy. Suck it up and realize that JB isnt going to make a deal with a conditional 1st and not try everything possible to make that pick as worthless as possible Completely agree. I know the contract is going to be bad, that's just a given. I'll be excited to have Myers & just hope for the best down the road. (Or just not think about the later years, like I'm sure our front office will do upon putting pen to paper) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 7m/5yrs? That isn’t horrible by comparison if he can stay healthy 7x7 plus? Absolutely no way for me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) Myers is a legit top four right side dman. Our other options are an oft injured Tanev or a Stecher who is trending upwards but would probabaly wilt with more tough minutes. Hope we sign Myers. It will take term but you can always just buy out the last year if needed. Get it done JB and if he does I will be happy with the upgrade. Edited June 25, 2019 by rekker 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screw Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 30mill over 5 years or 26.mill over 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, billabong said: 7m/5yrs? That isn’t horrible by comparison if he can stay healthy 7x7 plus? Absolutely no way for me What about a compromise on term by paying 7.5 over 6 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Why are we contemplating signing a #4 D-man (at best) for 7 mil when Chicago just added a legit #4 for basically free. Why can't we have nice things? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Screw said: 30mill over 5 years or 26.mill over 4? We aren’t getting Myers for that. We aren’t getting Gardiner for that either. The term will be 6 or 7 years. The cap will be 7 to 8 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bree2 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 so who would you rather have , Myers at 7 mil or keep Tanev who only plays half a season for 4.5 mil. hmmmmm! I say Myers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specz Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 5 hours ago, stawns said: What's your solution to the RHD issue then? Benn to plug then pursue after Barrie at next year's free agency? People thought Zaitsev's contract was bad and hes like a little more than half of what Myers is being hyped to want? I have no clue man, but I just know if it's what the media is hyping it up to be then we're going to be in deep trouble long term. Would it be better to do nothing than handcuff ourselves with an 8x8 albatross? I'm leaning towards yes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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