D-Money Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Has there ever been a superstar that has faded away this dramatically? (without injury being the cause) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mookie Wilson Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 If your definition of a superstar fading "dramatically" is falling all the way down to 5th in the league in goalscoring, then yeah - all them fade AT LEAST that much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Another question that could be asked is what does 'big' money do to a personality over time. Whether it is Ovy or any other player. A particularly good question when the 'big' money comes early in a career before the player actually learns what it takes to become a true professional. I believe the Canucks have been using 'sports psychologists' for years. I wonder how deep they probe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Season goal totals: 52, 46, 65, 56, 50, 32, 38 Season point totals: 106, 92, 112, 110, 109, 85, 65 That is a substantial drop off. It is especially puzzling since there was no event such as an injury that can be seen as a cause of the decreased production, and also because the decrease began at the age at which most goal scorers enter their prime. I can't think of another player who's faded like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baercheese Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 TIL scoring 38 goals in today's NHL is considered "faded" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua59 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Not gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Pretty much, Ovechkin is the best player in Washington, contrary to what many say, just watch him. He is very passionate. He has an amazing skill set and his value I can only imagine is still " elite / franchise player " like. It's pretty unlikely that Ovechkin would be moved, not to mention other parts of his game are coming around and his coaches are happy with his development. There is no reason he cannot be a 50 goal scorer again. Some people are just writing the guy off, makes no sense lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrissex95 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Alex Ovechkin still has a significant amount of trade value. He puts fans in the seats and he's still probably the most or second most talented player in hockey. Here's a list of teams that I could see him going to: Nashville(he'd turn Nashville into a premier hockey market. They have young assets + salary that can be moved. If Poile wants Radulov to return, Ovy would be the best guy to sell it to him.) Philadelphia(They've got the assets and they need offence. Great guy to play with Giroux) Colorado(Again, they've got young assets to move. Ovy could bring the Avs back to their former glory) Islanders(great guy to play with Tavares. They've got the assets to move) Ottawa(need a guy to replace Alfredsson and play with Spezza. Great fit.) Anaheim(They need insurance for if Getzlaf and Perry leave) Detroit(They are in desperate need of a new generation of talent) The Vancouver Canucks would never be in the fray when it comes to Ovechkin. He's not the type of guy we want in the lockeroom and he doesn't fit the team identity. That contract is an albatross that we simply do not need. I would be in a state of shock if Gillis brought him in. If I were Washington, I'd certainly consider trading Ovechkin. But before I did that, I'd fire George McPhee. He's an awful GM and his firing is long overdue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymond Ballard and a 1st Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Pair him WITH a top pick(2013 1st), and/or top prospect to lessen the cap-sting. Take back some other putrid deals. EG: Ovi, Hendricks & Forsberg, for: Tor: Grabovski, Komisarek. Less IS more for the Caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwnstar Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Ovi in a nucks jersey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 If your definition of a superstar fading "dramatically" is falling all the way down to 5th in the league in goalscoring, then yeah - all them fade AT LEAST that much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Too bad they don't have Luke Schenn anymore... Nonis's chance to save the Maple Leafs!! Toronto's next 10 1st round picks for Ovechkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 People say Luongo has an immovable contract.. That's peanuts compared to what Ovie is owed. If there is any merit to this - I foresee many Islander rumors about this. Wang is probably the only owner crazy enough to make a play for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 You clearly haven't watched him play lately then. He looks lazy and disinterested the majority of time he played. And yea, I would say his point totals dropping 40% over 2 seasons is pretty dramatic. We're talking about a player that was considered arguably the most dominant player in the world only a few seasons ago. Why do you think this rumor is out there if his play wasn't fading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 The only problem with Ovechkin is that he can't single handedly carry Washington anymore. When he was younger, he wasn't as beat up physically as it probably is now. And yes, teams know that Ovechkin is the main threat on the team, so coaches know how to defend against him. What Washington needs is not to trade OV, but aquire and asset (or someone on the roster to step up) to carry some of the load. Green has not shown any sign that he can be that guy anymore. And while Backstrom is incredibly talented, he won't put the puck in the net. Once Forsberg comes into the picture, and should Washington be lucky enough to somehow get into the Jones/MacKinnon sweepstake, you'll see Washington become a major threat again. Until that happens, though, Ovechkin cannot do it himself anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I think he's still one of the top-10 players in the game. However, I think given the years of wear and tear, he's lost a bit of his skating explosiveness. That has affected his ability to make goals happen out of nothing. His first few years were something special. It didn't matter if he was outnumbered, or what his teammates were doing, Ovechkin could make something happen at any point, no matter how unexpected. It was like watching Kesler in the Nashville series - only it was all year, every game, for like 3 years straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 You clearly haven't watched him play lately then. He looks lazy and disinterested the majority of time he played. And yea, I would say his point totals dropping 40% over 2 seasons is pretty dramatic. We're talking about a player that was considered arguably the most dominant player in the world only a few seasons ago. Why do you think this rumor is out there if his play wasn't fading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Ovi in a nucks jersey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 LOL @ a 9.5 cap hit. Chris Kunitz, Simon Despres & Tangradi for Ovechkin Ovechkin - Crosby - Dupuis Neal - Malkin - Bennett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangelos Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Not gonna happen. He brings in way too much revenue. Money is more important than winning nowadays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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