Trebreh Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 If i was a betting man, its probably with the Jackets, they have a couple of their centers injured. Dalton Prout pls JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieCrumbs Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I would personally rather keep Hansen over Matthias. Would love to see some edge come back our way if we moved him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 If i was a betting man, its probably with the Jackets, they have a couple of their centers injured. Dalton Prout pls JB I've never been a fan of Boone Jenner but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Your timing needs a bit of work IMO. (or u are still focussed on rebuilding, or tanking, or something?) Although we did not play great, we just got as many points in one Cali road trip as we earned playing Cali teams ALL last year. It suggests we are closer than people think. No not a contender. But closer... We're in 3rd place in the league. Odd's are if a trade happens it will be for help. Not futures... The rest of the logic is pretty solid. I am far from suggesting tanking at all. I am pointing out the obvious. We have enough tweeners currently on the roster that we could see some movement in the off season or early next year in regards to players like Hansen, Higgins, Burrows etc. Even up to and including Hamhuis or Bieksa; but them if only for better return and then only IF better reutrn is available or offered that helps the club long term. Matthias is the one odd man out, Richardson not withstanding. As Richardsons 2 way play has been spot on since we picked him up (not Malhotra-esque but solid nonetheless) it leaves Matthias as the only possibly expendable C/LW we have on the actual roster. We have 3 players capable of stepping in to a bottom 6 role with a shade more speed, skill and drive in Horvat, Shinkaruk and Cassels etc. Again, I could easily see them putting Matthias into premiere situations that can only increase his stats or ice time to get his value up and facilitate a single trade or include him as part of a package. That package could be something along the lines of a Larsson, Gormley, or even a Pouliot out of Pittsburgh. I key in to these 3 D prospects/players as these are the exact kind of D prospects this team needs so desperately (something we've agreed on since Salo and Ehrhoff left) Matthias is an expendable asset and come closer to the deadline it is not unreasonable to see Linden/Benning shipping him off for prime return while his price is high. I have no issues re-signing him if this current level of play becomes consistent, but as we've seen with him in Fla on choice lines with choice minutes; it is anything but. With the depth we have coming up the pipe and him being a UFA he is far more expendable at this moment than even Richardson. Now again while we have tweeners in Hansen, Burrows, Higgins, Richardson and Matthias. Only one or maybe two of them are truly expendable this year at the deadline or off-season while still being a competitive team and not falling in to the Edm trap of rookies without vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I've never been a fan of Boone Jenner but... Whaaaat? How? The kid is an animal and he'd be a 3rd line mainstay on the Canucks for years. I'd erect more than a statue of Benning if he could pull of a Matthias for Jenner trade. Hell even Proult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I've never been a fan of Boone Jenner but... Somehow I do not see Mathias buying us Jenner. One could hope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I'm not buying this rumour. He's been a force ever since he got out of his slump and arguably our best bottom 6er since. If anyone is going, it should be Hansen for obvious reasons. Matthias deserves to be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Whaaaat? How? The kid is an animal and he'd be a 3rd line mainstay on the Canucks for years. I'd erect more than a statue of Benning if he could pull of a Matthias for Jenner trade. Hell even Proult. why not both? Prout + Jenner for Matthias + Jensen + Sbisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I lol'ed when I read "president"... and then stopped reading i loled when you said "reading". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I'm not buying this rumour. He's been a force ever since he got out of his slump and arguably our best bottom 6er since. If anyone is going, it should be Hansen for obvious reasons. Matthias deserves to be here. I don't see why people truly think this. Matthias has had what, 3 maybe 4 full 60 minute solid games for us. Hansen has done nothing more than what has ever been asked from him. Be a solid bottom 6 player; which he is. One of the best in the league imo. it is not his fault he is called into top 6 duties, that is not the player he is. He has put up multiple solid seasons for us and even under Torts was one of our better players. Most versatile for sure hence the army knife/honey badger moniker Shiny new toys do not earn spots over players like Hansen. That is half the issue with this entire fan base. Christ I remember when Roy got his first point as a Canuck, people were ready to sign him to a long term extension.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I am far from suggesting tanking at all. I am pointing out the obvious. We have enough tweeners currently on the roster that we could see some movement in the off season or early next year in regards to players like Hansen, Higgins, Burrows etc. Even up to and including Hamhuis or Bieksa; but them if only for better return and then only IF better reutrn is available or offered that helps the club long term. Matthias is the one odd man out, Richardson not withstanding. As Richardsons 2 way play has been spot on since we picked him up (not Malhotra-esque but solid nonetheless) it leaves Matthias as the only possibly expendable C/LW we have on the actual roster. We have 3 players capable of stepping in to a bottom 6 role with a shade more speed, skill and drive in Horvat, Shinkaruk and Cassels etc. Again, I could easily see them putting Matthias into premiere situations that can only increase his stats or ice time to get his value up and facilitate a single trade or include him as part of a package. That package could be something along the lines of a Larsson, Gormley, or even a Pouliot out of Pittsburgh. I key in to these 3 D prospects/players as these are the exact kind of D prospects this team needs so desperately (something we've agreed on since Salo and Ehrhoff left) Matthias is an expendable asset and come closer to the deadline it is not unreasonable to see Linden/Benning shipping him off for prime return while his price is high. I have no issues re-signing him if this current level of play becomes consistent, but as we've seen with him in Fla on choice lines with choice minutes; it is anything but. With the depth we have coming up the pipe and him being a UFA he is far more expendable at this moment than even Richardson. Now again while we have tweeners in Hansen, Burrows, Higgins, Richardson and Matthias. Only one or maybe two of them are truly expendable this year at the deadline or off-season while still being a competitive team and not falling in to the Edm trap of rookies without vets. I am not disputing any of the logic where we have a host of prospects getting close to grabbing roles. Therefore a tweener vet could be expendable. Just what we would ask for in return. It just makes no sense to trade assets (Mathias is an asset) for another prospect who wont help the team for two or three years Not when we're in 3rd place in the league. Unless its an absolute bonafide steal / stud. Like Nashville grabbing Forsberg for Erat. But lets face it; what are the odd's of Mathias garnering that? Come back at the deadline and hypothetically we are 8 points out of a wildcard spot; by all means sell any and all tweeners for prospects. In the meantime and reflecting our current status; if we sell a tweener, grab a part that fills a legit role in the here and now! Related; you make a spot for a rookie when they are beating down the door. Vey was a top AHL performer for two years. Or when their skills are a needed entity; perhaps Horvat re a defensive centre / FO specialist. Perhaps?! Horvat appears the better choice for that specific role over Mathias as much as Mathias has played well as a winger of late. I don't see a problem forcing a Jensen to outplay a Higgins, Mathias or Burrows to win a spot on the roster. Or outplay I also encourage trading a Mathias for a defensive centre if we believe that is what is needed and Horvat is better served developing offensive skills in junior and at the WJC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 why not both? Prout + Jenner for Matthias + Jensen + Sbisa Done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 I am not disputing any of the logic where we have a host of prospects getting close to grabbing roles. Therefore a tweener vet could be expendable. Just what we would ask for in return. It just makes no sense to trade assets (Mathias is an asset) for another prospect who wont help the team for two or three years Not when we're in 3rd place in the league. Unless its an absolute bonafide steal / stud. Like Nashville grabbing Forsberg for Erat. But lets face it; what are the odd's of Mathias garnering that? Come back at the deadline and hypothetically we are 8 points out of a wildcard spot; by all means sell any and all tweeners for prospects. In the meantime and reflecting our current status; if we sell a tweener, grab a part that fills a legit role in the here and now! Related; you make a spot for a rookie when they are beating down the door. Vey was a top AHL performer for two years. Or when their skills are a needed entity; perhaps Horvat re a defensive centre / FO specialist. Perhaps?! Horvat appears the better choice for that specific role over Mathias as much as Mathias has played well as a winger of late. I don't see a problem forcing a Jensen to outplay a Higgins, Mathias or Burrows to win a spot on the roster. Or outplay I also encourage trading a Mathias for a defensive centre if we believe that is what is needed and Horvat is better served developing offensive skills in junior and at the WJC. And that is what I am proposing. Nothing until the deadline as is. But we have a depth of the tweener types that bubble teams and contenders pay a lot for. Either as stand alones or packages any of the above mentioned players could be packaged for something. If Matthias and a Corrado or some combination was to net us a Gormley or a Larsson, a D prospect/young player that can step in now and produce for the next 10+ seasons is it worth it to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckRow Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 "Aside from Hansen's speed and defensive capabilities, he's nearly useless for the amount of minutes the guy gets." He's got speed and defensive ability, but he's nearly useless? Really? Even in a 4th line role? Would you rather have someone with offensive abilities who doesn't defend? I know having hard hands shows up and looks frustrating, but is it really worse than blowing a few defensive assignments per game, or not having the speed to get where he needs to go? My point was, in comparing the two in getting top 6-9 ice time, and further top offensive line mates. Of course he's solid for a 4th line but thats not too hard to get, but getting time on PP1 and Sedin line is completely ridiculous. To have further success, especially in the west, a third line needs to produce offensively as well. Having Hansen get that ice time over players with the near the same defensive capabilities and a whole level better offensively should not continue to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekey Pete Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 i loled when you said "reading". Fine, reeding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prana16 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Mattias is a year younger, less than half the price and has almost the same points as Stewart over the last few seasons. Mattias for Stewart makes no sense. The problem is the guys we should be looking to trade Hansen, Burrows, and even possibly Higgins all have NTC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 I made the mistake of reading this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ftmN Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 ^ Yeah same. Highly doubt this is 'rumour' is true. Matthias's value is with us at the moment, he is growing more confident each game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_The_Schneid! Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Why are so many people shooting this rumour down? We have too many players They've done a good job of fooling people so far with all these mystery injuries in order to get Horvat in the line up But I kinda feel Horvat will stick and someone's gotta go Matthias is the most likely being a UFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekey Pete Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Why are so many people shooting this rumour down? We have too many players They've done a good job of fooling people so far with all these mystery injuries in order to get Horvat in the line up But I kinda feel Horvat will stick and someone's gotta go Matthias is the most likely being a UFA I don't get it either. And a lot of people's reasoning is "Mathias is playing well now so we shouldn't trade him". That is exactly the time you trade a player like Mathias, so you can actually get something back for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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