WeneedLumme Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, aGENT said: Not disagreeing. But they're not likely going to sign him for less than $5.5-$6.5 (with NTC) IMO. All depends on the term and terms. One year term or even two year term and you are probably right. Longer term, especially with NTC, I don't think they would commit that much money/cap and I am reasonably sure they would not need to, as he would almost certainly accept less for longer term and a full NTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said: All depends on the term and terms. One year term or even two year term and you are probably right. Longer term, especially with NTC, I don't think they would commit that much money/cap and I am reasonably sure they would not need to, as he would almost certainly accept less for longer term and a full NTC. Only way you're likely getting him at/below $5m is a 5+ year deal. I'd rather not go beyond 3...maybe 4 at the absolute MAX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 hours ago, aGENT said: Only way you're likely getting him at/below $5m is a 5+ year deal. I'd rather not go beyond 3...maybe 4 at the absolute MAX. 5 years would be a stretch IMO as he is turning 33 near this seasons end. I could see 4yrs @ 4mil or 3 yrs @ 5 mil but cap issues may dictate that JB does something totally different. I would like to see any contract that he may get not have a NTC or NMC unless it is a modified one with options should his play regress over the next few years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 13 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said: 5 years would be a stretch IMO as he is turning 33 near this seasons end. I could see 4yrs @ 4mil or 3 yrs @ 5 mil but cap issues may dictate that JB does something totally different. I would like to see any contract that he may get not have a NTC or NMC unless it is a modified one with options should his play regress over the next few years No way we can get a 50+ point, minute-munching, shot-blocking master defenseman for $4m. Eddie's floor is $5m and is probably more in the ballpark of $6m, depending on the other terms of the contract. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 17 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said: 5 years would be a stretch IMO as he is turning 33 near this seasons end. I could see 4yrs @ 4mil or 3 yrs @ 5 mil but cap issues may dictate that JB does something totally different. I would like to see any contract that he may get not have a NTC or NMC unless it is a modified one with options should his play regress over the next few years This: 2 minutes ago, -AJ- said: No way we can get a 50+ point, minute-munching, shot-blocking master defenseman for $4m. Eddie's floor is $5m and is probably more in the ballpark of $6m, depending on the other terms of the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 14 hours ago, -AJ- said: No way we can get a 50+ point, minute-munching, shot-blocking master defenseman for $4m. Eddie's floor is $5m and is probably more in the ballpark of $6m, depending on the other terms of the contract. The money isn't as big a deal as the term and the conditions of movement. A full NTC has to be out of the question. The Canucks have to have an option of moving Edler at the end of any contract. They have to be able to get some value. Removing the NTC in his final year of contract should not be a problem for Edler. He will always have the option of retiring which he has brought up before. Many argue that Edler has a strong negotiating position but I suggest not. Canucks are 3 years away from serious CUP contention so there is a place for Edler until then. He might be a 2nd pair d-man on a CUP contender now but in 3 years he will likely be 3rd pairing. I have no problem in keeping Edler for at least 2 years but want an option to monetize his worth some how. IMO the Canucks have to be more hardcore about the vision of serious CUP contention. Benning seems to have that but his conversion of vet experience into future growth has been so so. No player should supercede the goal of a CUP, no matter their tenure or character. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) Just a question, If Edler retires a Canuck, would he be in the Ring of Honor or Jersey in the rafters? Edited January 5, 2019 by smokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Just now, smokes said: Just a question, If Edler retires a Canuck, would he be a Rign of Honor or Jersey in the rafters? I'd say Ring of Honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Wilbur said: I'd say Ring of Honor. Take Naslund's down to make room. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, smokes said: Just a question, If Edler retires a Canuck, would he be in the Ring of Honor or Jersey in the rafters? If he's a key cog in winning a cup with the new core in the next few years you could make the argument... Otherwise I'd say ROH. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blömqvist Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 On January 4, 2019 at 11:33 AM, aGENT said: A 2 year deal would be ideal with the ED coming. Saves us a protection slot. Happy to give him full NTC first year, partial the 2nd and $6m+ for the courtesy. We have zero cap concerns those 2 years anyway. After that we can certainly look at additional 1-2 year contracts as he trends down the depth chart. On January 4, 2019 at 11:52 AM, D-Money said: Thing is, Edler has all the leverage. With the year he had this year and last, he could easily command 4+ years on the open market. If he's willing to consider a 2-year deal, I'd flirt with giving him big bucks ($7.5M?) and a full NTC both years. Then he knows he gets to stay for the 2 years, and get more than he'd get on a longer term deal, then re-evaluate after the expansion draft. It's a lot of money, but that's the sort of money it will probably take for him to accept such a short term. Best case scenario: 1. Edler signs a 2 year, $7.5M per season deal, with a full NTC, $1M in salary and $6.5M in signing bonuses in case of a lockout 2. Expansion draft, no need to protect Edler as he is not under contract 3. Post-expansion draft, Edler signs a 2 year, $5M per season deal, full NTC in the first year and partial NTC in the second year Over the four years: 1. Edler makes $25M, so an average cap hit of $6.25M/season over the two contracts 2. Edler is guaranteed $6.5M even in a lockout year 3. Edler is guaranteed to stay in Vancouver for at least 3 of those years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 hours ago, smokes said: Just a question, If Edler retires a Canuck, would he be in the Ring of Honor or Jersey in the rafters? Right now he's ROH. The rafters might come if he somehow plays 1000 games in a Canuck uniform and continues to be as good as he is now for another 3 or 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky mitts Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Edlers value will never be higher, hope he gets moved for a big package that will help us in the long run. We waited too long with tanev and I hope we don’t do the same with him . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, mll said: Maybe, juuuust maybe, he didn't want to talk to you, Jeffrey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 15 minutes ago, mll said: I think the Canucks should extend Edler right now, and put all this trade nonsense (he's not going anywhere) to rest. 4 years x 5 mil/per. Get 'er done JB!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Maybe, juuuust maybe, he didn't want to talk to you, Jeffrey. Dhaliwal made the same comment a few weeks ago - re no guarantee that you'll win and he doesn't want to disrupt his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, mll said: Dhaliwal made the same comment a few weeks ago - re no guarantee that you'll win and he doesn't want to disrupt his family. I hear you, and I believe that Edler wants to stay. He's having an amazing season. I can just see Patterson rubbing some players the wrong way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 38 minutes ago, mll said: I wonder how many players consider that before being moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Qwags said: I wonder how many players consider that before being moved. Perfectly fine either route. If he's not going to waive though, I hope he's re-signed by the TDL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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