RetroCanuck Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Hutton Wink said: Are any of the non-Dahlin D potentially NHL-ready? If so, I'd assume Bouchard would be the likeliest, with 3 years of junior and an NHL-sized body under him. Aside from Dahlin we probably wouldn't have the room this year regardless. Sadly Bouchard is probably just as ready as a guy like K'Andre Miller which we may be able to get in the second. hopefully if we don't get Dahlin we get another top offensive D like Hughes or Boqvist. Better to draft skill over size! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 15 minutes ago, richado said: racist Exactly, every one knows beige is superior. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddyguy Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 2 hours ago, RetroCanuck said: Sadly Bouchard is probably just as ready as a guy like K'Andre Miller which we may be able to get in the second. hopefully if we don't get Dahlin we get another top offensive D like Hughes or Boqvist. Better to draft skill over size! Exactly! Whenever you're picking high, especially in the top 10, you want to draft the guys with the most skill and the higher ceiling. Guys like Dobson and Bouchard have a higher floor, but guys like Boqvist and Hughes have a much higher ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, buddyguy said: Exactly! Whenever you're picking high, especially in the top 10, you want to draft the guys with the most skill and the higher ceiling. Guys like Dobson and Bouchard have a higher floor, but guys like Boqvist and Hughes have a much higher ceiling. Do Boqvist and Hughes really have more NHL potential than guys like Dobson or Bouchard?? A good #2-3 RH D to compliment Juolevi in the future would be ideal. As for Olli; I'm very curious as to whether Juolevi will join Utica or not. A significant role at the WHC would be a great opportunity, but the flip side is may get a better read on where he is at if he ends up here. Edited April 22, 2018 by Smashian Kassian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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buddyguy Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said: Do Boqvist and Hughes really have more NHL potential than guys like Dobson or Bouchard?? A good #2-3 RH D to compliment Juolevi in the future would be ideal. As for Olli; I'm very curious as to whether Juolevi will join Utica or not. A significant role at the WHC would be a great opportunity, but the flip side is may get a better read on where he is at if he ends up here. When you talk about elite skating and pure skill, then yes Boqvist and Hughes do have higher potential. Edited April 22, 2018 by buddyguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, buddyguy said: When you talk about elite skating and pure skill, then yes Boqvist and Hughes do have higher potential. But can they defend as well as Dobson & Bouchard? Do they translate as top pair guys in the NHL? (In all aspects not just skating and offensive skills) I think people may be sleeping on Bouchard's offense. Pretty impressive numbers and he has good offensive tools/IQ. Edited April 23, 2018 by Smashian Kassian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 24 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: But can they defend as well as Dobson & Bouchard? Do they translate as top pair guys in the NHL? (In all aspects not just skating and offensive skills) I think people may be sleeping on Bouchard's offense. Pretty impressive numbers and he has good offensive tools/IQ. Agreed. Its like an argument for Krug/Barrie/Gostisbhere vs Pieterangelo/Suter/Carlson Both skill sets are valuable, but when building a core group I’ll take the less productive but minute munching all situational player all day every day. Bouchard/Dobson > Boqvist/Hughes Not that I would complain with a Hughes/Boqvist selection as they generate far more entertainment, and we certainly could use some more of that. They’ll just have to be situationally deployed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, 70seven said: Agreed. Its like an argument for Krug/Barrie/Gostisbhere vs Pieterangelo/Suter/Carlson Both skill sets are valuable, but when building a core group I’ll take the less productive but minute munching all situational player all day every day. Bouchard/Dobson > Boqvist/Hughes Not that I would complain with a Hughes/Boqvist selection as they generate far more entertainment, and we certainly could use some more of that. They’ll just have to be situationally deployed. We drafted Juolevi to be that player. We don't need more well rounded guys we need gamebreakers. Dynamic defenceman that can lead the charge offensively and QB a powerplay. Boqvist projects to be a game breaker more than Bouchard. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 17 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said: As for Olli; I'm very curious as to whether Juolevi will join Utica or not. A significant role at the WHC would be a great opportunity, but the flip side is may get a better read on where he is at if he ends up here. Utica may be eliminated as early as Wednesday. Maybe not the best move to pass up the worlds now, considering it looks like Utica may have a short run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missioncanucksfan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 hour ago, DeNiro said: Utica may be eliminated as early as Wednesday. Maybe not the best move to pass up the worlds now, considering it looks like Utica may have a short run. In that sense, can Dahlen still join WHC? Alot of miles on that bidy but worth it for development. Eventually these guys beed to be simply shut down to get the opportunities to hit the weight rooms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 12 minutes ago, missioncanucksfan said: In that sense, can Dahlen still join WHC? Alot of miles on that bidy but worth it for development. Eventually these guys beed to be simply shut down to get the opportunities to hit the weight rooms He already turned them down. My guess is they've moved onto the next guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 hours ago, DeNiro said: We drafted Juolevi to be that player. We don't need more well rounded guys we need gamebreakers. Dynamic defenceman that can lead the charge offensively and QB a powerplay. Boqvist projects to be a game breaker more than Bouchard. But, we’re getting Dahlin! Nothing wrong with two pp specialists..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 hours ago, DeNiro said: We drafted Juolevi to be that player. We don't need more well rounded guys we need gamebreakers. Dynamic defenceman that can lead the charge offensively and QB a powerplay. Boqvist projects to be a game breaker more than Bouchard. Bouchard's been mentioned a PP QB. His stats would back that up. Dobson and Bouchard aren't Erik Gudbranson offensively, they are both quite good. Juolevi's strength is more being a PMD than an all-around matchup type guy. With his passing & puck skills he should project to be part of the top powerplay. At this point we need BPA in all positions. Boqvist is harder to get a read on but hes very intriguing. If he's the real deal and can play the full 200 ft well enough to be a dynamic top pair D then, by all means, he would be wonderful. But if Bouchard or Dobson project better as top pair guys I don't think you can pass that up. Someone's gotta play defense on this team and there's not alot coming. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250Integra Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Lots and lots of wrist shots. Looks like he has the ability to get shots through (unlike shin buster Edler). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 8 hours ago, DeNiro said: We drafted Juolevi to be that player. We don't need more well rounded guys we need gamebreakers. Dynamic defenceman that can lead the charge offensively and QB a powerplay. Boqvist projects to be a game breaker more than Bouchard. I disagree with that. Juolevi is a cerebral, mobile, puck mover, more than an all situational player. He’s not overly physical or great at defending. He projects far better as a number 3-4D, and would pair nicely with a Boqvist type... but on the 2nd pairing. Where I see the difference of Dobson/Bouchard is they play as a true top pairing, meaning they’re deployed in top defensive and offensive roles. Regardless of what Juolevi was “meant to be”, most scouts have him pegged as a middle pairing player. Think Matt Niskanen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 8 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said: Bouchard's been mentioned a PP QB. His stats would back that up. Dobson and Bouchard aren't Erik Gudbranson offensively, they are both quite good. Stats don’t determine if a player is a pp qb. Edler has put up a ton of points too but he is in no way a pp qb. Compare the difference in play between edler and ehrhoff. One player is able to control the puck, gain zone access and distribute while the other is a passenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Here is the news we have all been so eager to find out! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 12 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said: But can they defend as well as Dobson & Bouchard? Do they translate as top pair guys in the NHL? (In all aspects not just skating and offensive skills) I think people may be sleeping on Bouchard's offense. Pretty impressive numbers and he has good offensive tools/IQ. Dobson I'll grant you but Bouchard isn't really loads better defensively actually and is nowhere near the skater. And in the case of Boqvist, he's almost a year older. That can make a LOT of difference at that age on a players defensive play (not to mention their size/strength). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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