Do you believe the Canucks can ever become a dynasty?

[Chris12345]

no way.

[Canucklehead73]

The simple answer is no due to the level of parity currently evident in the nhl right now. Certain teams are close mind you like Chicago when you draft special players and they execute when given the opportunity.

 

If ever we are to have a shot we have to go from being one of the worse teams at player evaluatuon to one of the best. This level of player evaluation turns draft duds into gems and finds good players other teams have otherwise moved on from.

 

It's all about leadership on top imho.

 

And a bit of luck

[iceman64]

A dynasty?  for F___K sakes, I just want ONE!

[Rocky Balboa]

Nope.

 

Only chance was if we won in 2011 and if we got by LA in 2012 it could have been a repeat. 

[bloodycanuckleheads]

We'll never have a dynasty.  For a whole host of reasons.  Some big, some small.  Where to even begin...:

 

- The NHL hates us.  Actually, that's an understatement - the NHL despises us.  So, if we were ever on the verge of having a dynasty, they'd throw a series or implement rules designed specifically to screw us.  Guaranteed.  The NHL would never allow us to have a dynasty.  Not over Gary Bettman's dead body!

- The travel is much worse for us than for the teams the NHL loves.  And, not surprisingly, the NHL never lifts a finger to even out the playing-field.  They want their Original 6 teams to always have an advantage, while appearing to be impartial, and travel is their way of doing it.  So, don't expect this to ever change.  We will always be a lot more tired & exhausted than the teams we will be playing against.

- We are at sea-level.  There is a reason why most top-athletes train in the mountains.  When you need that 'extra gear,' we never seem to have it.  Training at sea-level is one of the reasons why.

- The salary-cap makes dynasties nearly impossible to maintain.  You'd need a special set of circumstances or an insane amount of luck to have a dynasty nowadays, typically you need both (see Pittsburgh). 

- Our ownership/managment have destroyed our team.  It now becomes a lot harder to attract the talent we need.  We are no longer a 'destination'.  Players don't want to come here.  And, worse than that, we are now in a situation where we are so bad that our top-players are demanding trades and leaving for other leagues.  If the 2014 draft was re-done today, Tryamkin would go top-20.  So, we just lost the equivalent of a top-20 pick - simply because we are so awful.  Any dynasty will take a lot longer (and be a lot harder) to build when you start from the very bottom.  Unless, of course, that stay at the bottom results in a whole bunch of top-1 or top-3 picks.  Of course, our stay there isn't resulting in any top picks whatsoever (and we are constantly throwing away the picks we are getting by going off the board and not selecting the best player available).

- Our drafting has always been utterly abysmal.  Looking at our lottery-picks recently, absolutely nothing seems to have changed.

- Our ownership is rather incompetent.  So, if we are ever in a position to become a dynasty, they'll probably mess it up somehow by thinking only of the short-term and ignoring the big-picture.

- We are in a position similar to Toronto.  No matter how bad our team gets, they'll still make a ton of money.  Of course, ownership wants playoff revenue, but we are never in a position where we can't spend to the cap.  We always cover the bills.  So, there's no incentive to become champions.

- Being west-coast liberals, we don't build big, bruising teams.  We are nice guys instead.  And, all things being equal, the smaller, nicer team will lose the playoff series to the bigger, meaner team almost every single time.  Remember how we were the best team in the NHL for about 5 years there?  Well, how many Cups did we end up with?  Right, none.  We got our asses handed to us every year but one (and that year we got completely man-handled in the final).

- Et cetera, et cetera, ad infinitum...

[iinatcc]

The Canucks are already a dynasty 

 

....

 

A Dynasty of Failure  

[bombbret]

no they will probably never win a cup because i like them

 

[terrible.dee]

Something went wrong with this team from the get-go,

 

The Griffiths were just too small time, John McCaw litterly did not care, Aqua started out well, but his ego got to involved, it's going to take ownership, someone who doesn't WANT a cup but is willing to do what it takes to get one,

 

Pitts ownership were willing to tank the team at just the right times to get crosby and Lemuiex, Montreal used to have a whole scam set up where they got first dibs on any player from Que. and in the modern era, they would send thier stars on Vacation a week or two before the playoffs, so they would be better rested and make up some injury excuse.

 

Jeromy Jacobs kept the screws to Bettman durring the final to get them every advantage, this is business as usual in the NHL, but fans and apparently management in this city are happy to be not-so-loveable losers, they don't want to tank, even though every cup winner has, they are happy playing second bannana and excepting excuses from those who are afraid to take the big risk.

 

If Aquaman had known what he was doing he would have pulled the team of the ice after the Rome suspension, winners don't accept BS like that. With NBC waiting and no game to be plated Bettman and Jacobs would have buckled like a  dollar tent.

 

If  Aqua knew what he was doing, he would have put a video compilation of the NHL''s greatest misses together called up Bettman and said "Hey, I know it's random but if we don't draft #1 this year, I'm taking this to every single national; sponsor the NHL has, then I'm calling every media outlet in Vegas and telling them the sport is rigged.

 

There are all kinds of ways that that teams apply pressure for advantages that we don't, we aren't in the old boys club and if we wait for success to come to us it never will. The NHL is a dirty game off the ice, and if you don't use it to your advantage, it uses you.

 

For instance when we got screwed after the fact on Luongo's contract, their was a lawsuit just waiting to happen, Hossa's deal was being allowed to stand, there's your smoking gun. Kovolchuck in the meantime miraculously left the Devil's unscathed, there have been all sorts of opportunities to press for an edge on the league, but we ever do

[IBatch]

6 hours ago, bloodycanuckleheads said:

We'll never have a dynasty.  For a whole host of reasons.  Some big, some small.  Where to even begin...:

 

- The NHL hates us.  Actually, that's an understatement - the NHL despises us.  So, if we were ever on the verge of having a dynasty, they'd throw a series or implement rules designed specifically to screw us.  Guaranteed.  The NHL would never allow us to have a dynasty.  Not over Gary Bettman's dead body!

- The travel is much worse for us than for the teams the NHL loves.  And, not surprisingly, the NHL never lifts a finger to even out the playing-field.  They want their Original 6 teams to always have an advantage, while appearing to be impartial, and travel is their way of doing it.  So, don't expect this to ever change.  We will always be a lot more tired & exhausted than the teams we will be playing against.

- We are at sea-level.  There is a reason why most top-athletes train in the mountains.  When you need that 'extra gear,' we never seem to have it.  Training at sea-level is one of the reasons why.

- The salary-cap makes dynasties nearly impossible to maintain.  You'd need a special set of circumstances or an insane amount of luck to have a dynasty nowadays, typically you need both (see Pittsburgh). 

- Our ownership/managment have destroyed our team.  It now becomes a lot harder to attract the talent we need.  We are no longer a 'destination'.  Players don't want to come here.  And, worse than that, we are now in a situation where we are so bad that our top-players are demanding trades and leaving for other leagues.  If the 2014 draft was re-done today, Tryamkin would go top-20.  So, we just lost the equivalent of a top-20 pick - simply because we are so awful.  Any dynasty will take a lot longer (and be a lot harder) to build when you start from the very bottom.  Unless, of course, that stay at the bottom results in a whole bunch of top-1 or top-3 picks.  Of course, our stay there isn't resulting in any top picks whatsoever (and we are constantly throwing away the picks we are getting by going off the board and not selecting the best player available).

- Our drafting has always been utterly abysmal.  Looking at our lottery-picks recently, absolutely nothing seems to have changed.

- Our ownership is rather incompetent.  So, if we are ever in a position to become a dynasty, they'll probably mess it up somehow by thinking only of the short-term and ignoring the big-picture.

- We are in a position similar to Toronto.  No matter how bad our team gets, they'll still make a ton of money.  Of course, ownership wants playoff revenue, but we are never in a position where we can't spend to the cap.  We always cover the bills.  So, there's no incentive to become champions.

- Being west-coast liberals, we don't build big, bruising teams.  We are nice guys instead.  And, all things being equal, the smaller, nicer team will lose the playoff series to the bigger, meaner team almost every single time.  Remember how we were the best team in the NHL for about 5 years there?  Well, how many Cups did we end up with?  Right, none.  We got our asses handed to us every year but one (and that year we got completely man-handled in the final).

- Et cetera, et cetera, ad infinitum...

Some of this is valid, but some isn't, the travel for one, we aren't the only teams flying a lot of miles, and are not the highest traveling team.  All Pacific division teams have similar travel kms/miles,  and LA won it twice...

Thin air conditioning is a stretch, conidering how far above sea level LA, ANA, SJ, PIT, Washington, NYI, NYR, MTL etc are they would have the same problems, and advantage COL....

League hates us, I will buy that.  They did it to us in 94, and again in 2011.  

I think the cap era and number of teams are bigger dynasty blockers but I enjoyed reading your post.  Everybody hates us, we don't care right?

[IBatch]

53 minutes ago, terrible.dee said:

Something went wrong with this team from the get-go,

 

The Griffiths were just too small time, John McCaw litterly did not care, Aqua started out well, but his ego got to involved, it's going to take ownership, someone who doesn't WANT a cup but is willing to do what it takes to get one,

 

Pitts ownership were willing to tank the team at just the right times to get crosby and Lemuiex, Montreal used to have a whole scam set up where they got first dibs on any player from Que. and in the modern era, they would send thier stars on Vacation a week or two before the playoffs, so they would be better rested and make up some injury excuse.

 

Jeromy Jacobs kept the screws to Bettman durring the final to get them every advantage, this is business as usual in the NHL, but fans and apparently management in this city are happy to be not-so-loveable losers, they don't want to tank, even though every cup winner has, they are happy playing second bannana and excepting excuses from those who are afraid to take the big risk.

 

If Aquaman had known what he was doing he would have pulled the team of the ice after the Rome suspension, winners don't accept BS like that. With NBC waiting and no game to be plated Bettman and Jacobs would have buckled like a  dollar tent.

 

If  Aqua knew what he was doing, he would have put a video compilation of the NHL''s greatest misses together called up Bettman and said "Hey, I know it's random but if we don't draft #1 this year, I'm taking this to every single national; sponsor the NHL has, then I'm calling every media outlet in Vegas and telling them the sport is rigged.

 

There are all kinds of ways that that teams apply pressure for advantages that we don't, we aren't in the old boys club and if we wait for success to come to us it never will. The NHL is a dirty game off the ice, and if you don't use it to your advantage, it uses you.

 

For instance when we got screwed after the fact on Luongo's contract, their was a lawsuit just waiting to happen, Hossa's deal was being allowed to stand, there's your smoking gun. Kovolchuck in the meantime miraculously left the Devil's unscathed, there have been all sorts of opportunities to press for an edge on the league, but we ever do

We did get a draft pick for CLB "poaching" a fired Torts... advantage us, and now the league put a stop to this because, well it's ludicrous.  Mr. Quin and Burke, they didn't hold any punches as far as the league was considered, and Burke uses the media often to help his teams if he felt something wasn't fair.  Linden and Benning are taking it on the chin as far as the last two years in the lottery, and acting as though they like picking 5th.  Call it for what it is, absolute crap, suggest it's rigged, tell the media it can't be considered a real draft because the process isn't shown live ( yes I'm aware the process takes time, but I gaurantee you that I and a lot of fans would watch beer and natchos in hand).  At least don't fake that your happy about it and gripe a little.  Burke would have.  Quin would call it a joke, not a real draft.  Or at least not pretend he was happy picking fifth...good post.

[Salacious Crumb]

2 hours ago, terrible.dee said:

Something went wrong with this team from the get-go,

 

The Griffiths were just too small time, John McCaw litterly did not care, Aqua started out well, but his ego got to involved, it's going to take ownership, someone who doesn't WANT a cup but is willing to do what it takes to get one,

 

Pitts ownership were willing to tank the team at just the right times to get crosby and Lemuiex, Montreal used to have a whole scam set up where they got first dibs on any player from Que. and in the modern era, they would send thier stars on Vacation a week or two before the playoffs, so they would be better rested and make up some injury excuse.

 

Jeromy Jacobs kept the screws to Bettman durring the final to get them every advantage, this is business as usual in the NHL, but fans and apparently management in this city are happy to be not-so-loveable losers, they don't want to tank, even though every cup winner has, they are happy playing second bannana and excepting excuses from those who are afraid to take the big risk.

 

If Aquaman had known what he was doing he would have pulled the team of the ice after the Rome suspension, winners don't accept BS like that. With NBC waiting and no game to be plated Bettman and Jacobs would have buckled like a  dollar tent.

 

If  Aqua knew what he was doing, he would have put a video compilation of the NHL''s greatest misses together called up Bettman and said "Hey, I know it's random but if we don't draft #1 this year, I'm taking this to every single national; sponsor the NHL has, then I'm calling every media outlet in Vegas and telling them the sport is rigged.

 

There are all kinds of ways that that teams apply pressure for advantages that we don't, we aren't in the old boys club and if we wait for success to come to us it never will. The NHL is a dirty game off the ice, and if you don't use it to your advantage, it uses you.

 

For instance when we got screwed after the fact on Luongo's contract, their was a lawsuit just waiting to happen, Hossa's deal was being allowed to stand, there's your smoking gun. Kovolchuck in the meantime miraculously left the Devil's unscathed, there have been all sorts of opportunities to press for an edge on the league, but we ever do

Is everything ever a conspiracy to you?

[bloodycanuckleheads]

1 hour ago, Salacious Crumb said:

Is everything ever a conspiracy to you?

This isn't a conspiracy, a lot of the stuff he mentions is actually true and does in fact happen (and have an effect).

 

And, speaking of conspiracy theories that are actually true...  Remember how the refs punished our team for at least 5 straight years after Burrows went public about Auger throwing that game?  Even though Burrows was proven right?

[TheGuardian_]

21 minutes ago, bloodycanuckleheads said:

This isn't a conspiracy, a lot of the stuff he mentions is actually true and does in fact happen (and have an effect).

 

And, speaking of conspiracy theories that are actually true...  Remember how the refs punished our team for at least 5 straight years after Burrows went public about Auger throwing that game?  Even though Burrows was proven right?

Time for a new thread, conspiracies in the NHL. The "unwritten rules".

[Honky Cat]

"For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'."

 

Bob Dylan...

[apollo]

I don't see it happening ever again but the Canucks surely did have a dynasty that was foiled by the NHL's old boys club.

 

From 2008-2009 season to 2012-2013 year the Canucks were by far the best team in hockey. Skill, heart, grit, pure elite talent.

 

Should have had 2 or 3 cups in those 5 seasons if the league let em play hockey.

 

 

[Tony Romo]

On 2017-05-19 at 8:40 PM, Western Red said:

Dynasties aren't good for overall business. All sports leagues are trending towards parity. This means more overall revenue as in theory, no team is 'out of it' until the very end.

 

The answer to your question is no. The goal nowadays is sustainable competition. This philosophy contradicts players unions as it means a hell of a lot more player movement because of talent earning big dollars. Lots of work for the brass. Does make things interesting and give the impression of all teams having a chance.

 

I don't have a problem with the current structure. The Oilers are the last team to be gifted riches. It's going to get even more interesting now.

The Cavaliers Warriors finals tv ratings will disagree with that 

[MikeyBoy44]

19 minutes ago, Tony Romo said:

The Cavaliers Warriors finals tv ratings will disagree with that 

2012 Playoffs say Hi! as well.

[theminister]

17 minutes ago, Tony Romo said:

The Cavaliers Warriors finals tv ratings will disagree with that 

I wonder who the majority of viewers are cheering to lose, rather than cheering to win?

 

It's very much got an old skool Celtics - Lakers vibe. 

 

The NBA does have other serious problems though. More than half of their franchises are really hurting. The disproportionate power players have to demand trades, and the lack of parity it causes, is unique to a sport where 3 players can make you championship calibre.

[Squamfan]

if you think about we could had a 3 peat. we could easily beat the flyer in 2010 and the also beat the blues, Arz and devils in 2012

[elvis15]

It is possible? Yes. Is it probable? No.

 

There you go, there's the stock answer. And it's true. But this isn't a slag on the Canucks, but rather than so few NHL teams have even come close to the term since the 80s that very few teams will be in that boat again - especially with the cap and parity.

 

And I say that knowing I've read only the title of the thread and none of the replies. It is what it is.