Shiftynifty Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 2 hours ago, Warhippy said: Offer Vegas a 7th to take Gaunce Trade Sbisa to Boston for 18th with extras on both sides? Vegas probably won't do that. They can just take Sbisa and he's a better asset than a 7th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 I'm not sure where the delusion of the Canucks trading elder and Tanev come from. Elder can't and won't be traded period. Tanev is possible but unlikely imo. There no one remotely close to taking his minutes. Moving him is likely to damage the development of other youngsters. People don't seem to take this into account when looking at the grand scheme of the rebuild. You simply cannot just throw young players into primary roles and think that it'll payoff. Exceptional talent is the exception, not the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, 70seven said: I'm not sure where the delusion of the Canucks trading elder and Tanev come from. Elder can't and won't be traded period. Tanev is possible but unlikely imo. There no one remotely close to taking his minutes. Moving him is likely to damage the development of other youngsters. People don't seem to take this into account when looking at the grand scheme of the rebuild. You simply cannot just throw young players into primary roles and think that it'll payoff. Exceptional talent is the exception, not the rule. Canucks have (finally) got cap space to bring in a decent shut down UFA for a couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 15 minutes ago, Shiftynifty said: Vegas probably won't do that. They can just take Sbisa and he's a better asset than a 7th. How much for them to take Megna? Would us swapping 1sts be enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 6 hours ago, VanGnome said: Beleskey, Spooner, 18th Overall for Sbisa + CLB 2nd I'd do that. That's actually pretty fair for both teams. Then say flip Spooner along with Tanev for Drouin and the 14th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuporbust Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 7 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: The problem is that would take up two roster spots that canucks don't really have. I'd rather have one of the 4 youth compete for that spot rather than give it to players with limited upside. Yes they'd like want Edler,...there's really not a lot of LHD on the market. The 18th this year aint worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaslundLindenBure Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Only if Foote is is still there, then Sbisa + CBJ 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Subban for the 18th pick if the Canucks aren't planning on using him this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedinyoureyesontheprize Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, smokes said: Subban for the 18th pick if the Canucks aren't planning on using him this year? Dream on lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluralsight Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 18 hours ago, S'all Good Man said: is he that bad? tbh i've paid no attention at all to Boston this year. We basically have a guy like Spooner in Boucher (if the Canucks decide to keep him). Smaller guy that's not quite skilled enough to stick in the top 6 but not quite good enough defensively to be effective in the bottom 6. Hard pass on Spooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 14 hours ago, 70seven said: I'm not sure where the delusion of the Canucks trading elder and Tanev come from. Elder can't and won't be traded period. Tanev is possible but unlikely imo. There no one remotely close to taking his minutes. Moving him is likely to damage the development of other youngsters. People don't seem to take this into account when looking at the grand scheme of the rebuild. You simply cannot just throw young players into primary roles and think that it'll payoff. Exceptional talent is the exception, not the rule. You don't just have to throw young players to the wolves. Removing Tanev and we have lots of veterans still.... Edler, Sedin, Sedin, Eriksson, Sutter, Dorsett, and Gudbranson as of right now. Then you also do something like what Toronto did and pick up some cheaper veteran players who are left out in the cold after free agent frenzy. There will be a couple of dozen solid veterans to play in the bottom half of your roster at $1 million and 1 year deals, it has been that way in the past couple years and will only be more prevalent as the league turns to younger guys. We can then flip a couple of those guys for picks at the deadline as rentals to playoff teams. That way we get peak value for older assets like Tanev, and we also get some additional mid/later round assets for the cheap veterans... and we create some mentorship and competition for the younger guys not to just get gifted roster spots because there is no alternative. Not every young guy we have is going to be ready for next season, so it doesn't hurt their development for a couple of them to be in Utica to start the year and get injury call up time instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Provost said: You don't just have to throw young players to the wolves. Removing Tanev and we have lots of veterans still.... Edler, Sedin, Sedin, Eriksson, Sutter, Dorsett, and Gudbranson as of right now. Then you also do something like what Toronto did and pick up some cheaper veteran players who are left out in the cold after free agent frenzy. There will be a couple of dozen solid veterans to play in the bottom half of your roster at $1 million and 1 year deals, it has been that way in the past couple years and will only be more prevalent as the league turns to younger guys. We can then flip a couple of those guys for picks at the deadline as rentals to playoff teams. That way we get peak value for older assets like Tanev, and we also get some additional mid/later round assets for the cheap veterans... and we create some mentorship and competition for the younger guys not to just get gifted roster spots because there is no alternative. Not every young guy we have is going to be ready for next season, so it doesn't hurt their development for a couple of them to be in Utica to start the year and get injury call up time instead. Careful! When you start talking to much sense around here you get ganged up on. Stay out of the shadows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 10 hours ago, smokes said: Subban for the 18th pick if the Canucks aren't planning on using him this year? Where's the little sarcasm emoji? I like Subban too, but I doubt we could trade him for even a seventh rounder:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 3 hours ago, Provost said: You don't just have to throw young players to the wolves. Removing Tanev and we have lots of veterans still.... Edler, Sedin, Sedin, Eriksson, Sutter, Dorsett, and Gudbranson as of right now. Then you also do something like what Toronto did and pick up some cheaper veteran players who are left out in the cold after free agent frenzy. There will be a couple of dozen solid veterans to play in the bottom half of your roster at $1 million and 1 year deals, it has been that way in the past couple years and will only be more prevalent as the league turns to younger guys. We can then flip a couple of those guys for picks at the deadline as rentals to playoff teams. That way we get peak value for older assets like Tanev, and we also get some additional mid/later round assets for the cheap veterans... and we create some mentorship and competition for the younger guys not to just get gifted roster spots because there is no alternative. Not every young guy we have is going to be ready for next season, so it doesn't hurt their development for a couple of them to be in Utica to start the year and get injury call up time instead. I'd agree if there was more depth at the discussed position, but there's not. After Tanman, you have gudbranson and stecher. That's about it. You think were we're going to find a rhd via free agency? 34 year old Dennis Wideman 29 year old Cody Franson Thats pretty much the list lol I'm not against moving Tanev if there's a succession plan to fill the void, but the only spot that'll be coming from is via trade. You simply cannot trade trade him without any sort of replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 27 minutes ago, 70seven said: I'd agree if there was more depth at the discussed position, but there's not. After Tanman, you have gudbranson and stecher. That's about it. You think were we're going to find a rhd via free agency? 34 year old Dennis Wideman 29 year old Cody Franson Thats pretty much the list lol I'm not against moving Tanev if there's a succession plan to fill the void, but the only spot that'll be coming from is via trade. You simply cannot trade trade him without any sort of replacement. Biega Chatfield Subban That is reasonable depth for a team that will be bad next year. It is likely we use one of that top picks for a D who will be ready in 1-3 years, so a piece for the future. There are other ways to add depth in that position. Free agency, waiver wire, trades. Vegas will have an option to pick way more D than they need. We could have a deal in place where we trade a later pick this draft or next for someone we ask them to select. There is no question our team will be worse this year without Tanev, but with him we are still one of the worst teams in the league so there isn't a long way to drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattrek Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Trade Sbisa for the 18th to avoid losing him for nothing in the expansion draft making our lost player a Gaunce or Biega, which isn't much in the grand scheme of things. Maybe even add a 3rd or higher pick to get the deal done if necessary. That will leave Edler and Tanev to continue mentoring the young guys on the team. This then allows either or both to be traded come trade deadline when prices skyrocket for players (especially defenseman) so we can sell at the highest price with an upcoming deep draft in 2018. This would make perfect sense, which is why it's unlikely to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teepain Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Trades are hard nowadays for gms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 On 2017-06-02 at 2:49 PM, ForsbergTheGreat said: Edler or Sbisa would make sense, but the only player I think that would be considered a cap dump would be Beleskey. Everyone else is an important piece or RFA. Biega meets our D requirement for the expansion draft. Sbisa + a 3rd sounds really appetizing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missioncanucksfan Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 On 6/2/2017 at 3:32 PM, S'all Good Man said: Sbisa, Baer + 55thoa + SJS 4th = 18th and Spooner? No way. We don't give away our picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky mitts Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Edler will never waive to go to boston of all places Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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