(Rumour) Canucks listening to offers for Hutton

[Kungfudru]

6 hours ago, Canuck Drogo said:

I’d take that and run all day everyday... and I’m even a Guddy fan.

Too bad Toronto doesn't 

[Remy]

I don't understand the mentality of people claiming that this is bad asset management from the Canucks. 

 

Let's be clear: Hutton has played his way out of the lineup, it's as simple as that. Barring a crystal ball, what did you expect the Canucks to do? Why would they trade him last year when his "value was high"? 

 

This is solely on Hutton, stop blaming management. 

[aGENT]

2 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

I'm not saying we should move to boring, trap hockey. But maybe the skillset for this team is not conducive to an up tempo type of game until we get better players? 

Or at least get healthier.

[Nucker 67]

I liked that Gudbranson has played more physical lately, this helps his value. Of course, Don Cherry's comments at intermission during the Leafs game was interesting, suggesting VAN could possibly get a player like Brown or Marner for Gudbranson. Why not? If NJ could get Hall for Larsson? Teams will pay highly for big, physical right-shot D. I really like the idea of Goldobin and Gudbranson for Marner.

 

Could it be though, that the Canucks will try to trade Hutton to free up cap space (and re-sign Guddy)? They won't get much for Hutton, maybe a 4th. Try to recapture the 4th we gave away in the Pouliot trade.

[Screw]

Please lord,

 

trade Edler.

 

Amen.

[Alflives]

2 hours ago, D-Money said:

Barrie has 27 points - 12th in the league among defensemen. That's despite missing games to injury. His points-per-game is 4th in the league, behind only Klingberg, Karlsson, and Ghostbear. He's a legitimate #1 offensive RHD. So what do you think?

 

What I think is anyone who thinks Colorado is going to even consider trading Barrie for Hutton has no idea what they're talking about.

So, Hutton for Barrie would be a great deal for us, right?  (Why the nasty comment about "not knowing what they are talking about"?)  If you are a Canuck's fan, then why the visceral anger protecting another team's player?

[combover]

The d in general is a mess(still), there’s guys that would get a much better return than hutton I rather see go first. Mdz tanev edler Gud

who ever will get us the best return more than one if possible. It not like d prospects wouldn’t be part of the asking price if say a tanev was moved. Edler said he won’t waive I wonder if a few games in the pressbox would make him reconsider his stance.

Im Not a hutton hater like some thou.

 

 

 

 

 

[logic]

Hutton just has not been as good since his rookie year, two-way puck moving ( if you can call him that ) are a dime a dozen in todays league, big bruising shutdown D like Gudbranson are not

[D-Money]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

So, Hutton for Barrie would be a great deal for us, right?  (Why the nasty comment about "not knowing what they are talking about"?)  If you are a Canuck's fan, then why the visceral anger protecting another team's player?

Not angry, and it's not about Barrie. I'm just expecting at least a speck of research or knowledge in order to have a potentially worthwhile discussion about trading Hutton.

 

If someone is saying, "Hutton for Karlsson (or Klingberg...or Ghostbear) would be a great deal for us, right?", then what do you do? Probably either shake your head and leave (what I usually do), or try to indicate your displeasure (what I did this time).

[PhillipBlunt]

9 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

I liked that Gudbranson has played more physical lately, this helps his value. Of course, Don Cherry's comments at intermission during the Leafs game was interesting, suggesting VAN could possibly get a player like Brown or Marner for Gudbranson. Why not? If NJ could get Hall for Larsson? Teams will pay highly for big, physical right-shot D. I really like the idea of Goldobin and Gudbranson for Marner.

 

Could it be though, that the Canucks will try to trade Hutton to free up cap space (and re-sign Guddy)? They won't get much for Hutton, maybe a 4th. Try to recapture the 4th we gave away in the Pouliot trade.

Might be. I certainly hope so. Hutton might be part of a package going somewhere.

 

With Pouliot and Stecher getting regular minutes, there seems to be less room and need for Hutton.

[Alflives]

Just now, D-Money said:

Not angry, and it's not about Barrie. I'm just expecting at least a speck of research or knowledge in order to have a potentially worthwhile discussion about trading Hutton.

 

If someone is saying, "Hutton for Karlsson (or Klingberg...or Ghostbear) would be a great deal for us, right?", then what do you do? Probably either shake your head and leave (what I usually do), or try to indicate your displeasure (what I did this time).

Maybe there is more to a player (especially Barrie) than points?  I noticed, even though he does put up points, he's a minus 38 over his last couple seasons.  That makes him more of a "specialist" (PP) kind of guy doesn't it?  I wouldn't expect he could PK or even be that good defensively 5 on 5, especially down low, along the walls, and taking hits to make plays.

[Rush17]

im wondering if the scratching of hutton is because :

 

1. they are trying to showcase guddy and he needs ice time.

 

2. hutton is "a little to go happy" and its affecting greens messsage by trying to always be happy and smiling. (sitting makes him less cheery and more in tune with team)

 

3  perhaps its a combo of both along with his need for better play.  sitting sends a message he isnt untouchable.  sets a tone to be more serious.

 

just whats been rattling around in my head lately. 

[D-Money]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Maybe there is more to a player (especially Barrie) than points?  I noticed, even though he does put up points, he's a minus 38 over his last couple seasons.  That makes him more of a "specialist" (PP) kind of guy doesn't it?  I wouldn't expect he could PK or even be that good defensively 5 on 5, especially down low, along the walls, and taking hits to make plays.

Everybody who played on the Avs the last 2 seasons is a huge minus player. And the only reason Barrie was ever rumoured on the block in the first place was because Patrick Roy supposedly didn't like him.

 

True, Barrie does not excel in the defensive parts of the game. But his skillset is even harder to come by. And he's playing exceptionally well under the new coach. There's no reason whatsoever that they'd want to trade him. And even if they did, they'd want a hell of a lot more than Ben Hutton for him.

 

[86Viking]

I too would rather Edler be gone, I am a bit surprised that with only 1.5yrs left on his deal his name hasnt come up as someone who could possibly be of interest or be moved. 

 

Lets get 1 fact clear, he was asked to waive his NTC in what season? I believe the 1st year of his new deal. Like other players in recent years I do NOT think Edler would full block a trade. If he does he has to know he needs to find a new team in the summer of 2019 anyway so he could pull a Burrows or Bieksa and waive with a sign and trade.

 

If Hutton is moved, his value is not high, we would need to try get a pick, or acquire a player similar age or a bit younger looking for a fresh start. I would like to see Holm in the NHL so moving Hutton for a pick would be alright I suppose

[Rush17]

44 minutes ago, logic said:

Hutton just has not been as good since his rookie year, two-way puck moving ( if you can call him that ) are a dime a dozen in todays league, big bruising shutdown D like Gudbranson are not

i beileve we collective really under value guddys worth.  jim basically fell over himself to get the guddy mccann deal done.

 

he clearly said that guddy was picked up at a good rate. he was positive the bidding would of skyrocketed if he didn't act when he did. sure he hasn't lived up to everything so far but hes still that same player. hes played very well the last few games.

 

maybe benning over paid or maybe we got good value and he still has a lot of upside. im not expecting hall as a return but im sure we can get a pretty good asset.

[oldnews]

11 hours ago, YummyCakeFace said:

Hutton screwed his career by what looks like training the wrong way. His skating was so fluid and was impressive to watch in his rookie season. Now he skates like a lumbering moose.  Building your legs the wrong way will turn a fluid skater into a choppy skater. This has clearly happened to Hutton.  Too bulky in the wrong areas. 

It's an interesting point but I don't think that Hutton's struggles have to do with his skating - I think it's his confidence and as a result, his decisiveness in moving the puck.

[86Viking]

7 minutes ago, Rush17 said:

i beileve we collective really under value guddys worth.  jim basically fell over himself to get the guddy mccann deal done.

 

he clearly said that guddy was picked up at a good rate. he was positive the bidding would of skyrocketed if he didn't act when he did. sure he hasn't lived up to everything so far but hes still that same player. hes played very well the last few games.

 

maybe benning over paid or maybe we got good value and he still has a lot of upside. im not expecting hall as a return but im sure we can get a pretty good asset.

I would think you are correct, that is why I was a bit confused by Lindens recent comments, or the Canucks not trying to sign him last summer to a contract with some term. Yes I know he was injured but would have likely costed less if we took the risk back then. This also could just be Guddy seeing how he fits in on our team, the overall direction plus it always boils down to being tempted to choose your destination as a FA.

 

I know Hutton has been disappointing at times, but if we are realistic, he should be no more than a bottom pair guy for us, and we have countless times asked him to step into a top 4 role. Im not saying he can become a reliable top 4 guy, but he has done a decent job for us since surprising us all and playing in the NHL.

 

Hopefully he can figure it out and turn his game around here. I mean did you not witness how bad Edler was last night? How invisible Eriksson is? The Canucks are playing players who are veterans with bigger contracts who may not deserve to be in the line up. Or when they make mind boggling mistakes like Edler he is still always out their playing. 

 

I say try try to move edler and give Hutton some more time before we off load him

[hammertime]

8 hours ago, Standing_Tall#37 said:

Yes his -40 and -20 seasons speak volumes of his defensive prowess.,

You mean last year and the  Tortorella season. You missed the point.

[Losing With Pride]

Blow up our D.

 

Trade Edler, Guddy, Hutton and Tanev.

Get an awesome return.

 

Hope to God we get Dahlin.

 

 

[Warhippy]

I thiink people here claiming Hutton won't fetch X or Y are the same people that say [PLayer X won't get a 1st or good package in a trade] every single year pre TDL only to see someone less viable get that or more.

 

We're in a fun part of the NHL cycle right now, every decade it happens over a 2 year/season period.  Teams at the top of the standings or regular cup threats are now seeing their stars age, injuries, bad management or lack of depth pushing them out of the standings as younger better or more deep teams push their way to the top.  Currently seeing Hawks, Ducks, Pens outside the playoffs or on the bubble.  Wild, Ramgers, Sharks Kings etc all also a 2-3 game slide from being outside of the post season.

 

This is the time of cyclical turn over every decade where we see those big trades, players going for crazy prices as teams that have been outside for so long now have a shot and want to shore up depth of positions like center/defence.  Or teams looking to prolong their status shed prospects and picks (Ottawa just showed us that)

 

For people to say this or that contending team won't do this, or this team or that would never trade them is sheer short sightedness.  I've been around a long while and I've seen this happen every 5-6 years.  Who would have thought that the 2 time repeat champs the Pens would be on the bubble, the Ducks and Hawks outside all together?  Anyone to start the season peg the Devils or Knights as cup threats?

 

GMs will do a lot of stupid things to stave off mediocrity or failure.  We see it every year.  But this is the first time this decade we've seen previously uber elite teams scrambling this late in the year.  I expect some interesting things to happen over the next few months and Hutton moving for better than a 3rd should surprise nobody.

 

If you want to look at the standings, check who is on that bubble and who is in danger of missing or is an almost sure thing for a conference final.  Target them.  Caps, Bolts, Knights, Hawks, Ducks, Pens, Wild all have vialble youth and picks.  Target them with a solid package, retain salary and or add later picks and you could capably poach a 1st or top prospect without worry.  

 

I think this entire cyclical status of the current heirarhy could even use its own thread but I am too lazy to write it