vancan2233 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 11 hours ago, D-Money said: That’s dumb, sorry. Not dumb, just a lack of patience and understanding of the game. Hughes's strengths far out weigh his short comings. He does not lose every board battle, because he is a highly intelligent player. I watched him win at a 50% to 60% rate of success by using his wits. The problem is he does get knot down and the fans seem to remember that and think he is too small to defend. I say 80% of the time, Hughes is skating or passing the puck out of trouble. Give him more time to develop and he is skating and or passing the puck out of trouble at a 85% to 90% success rate. Think Leetch and Lidstrom both where not know as winning the board battles, because they used their smarts to rarely be put in that position. Hughes is of the same cloth as these two just smaller. If Hughes takes on how Lidstrom defended, best use of stick work to every play the game. Lidstrom's timing with his poke check to steal the puck was a thing of beauty and his overall play. I am not posting that Hughes is going to be Lidstom, but he can learn to play defense similar to him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dats hockey Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 hour ago, aGENT said: Who said I wasn't happy to have Hughes? Look, I'm in no rush AT ALL to move him. And I'd only do so with someone like McAvoy coming back (which is unlikely to happen) but nobody is un-tradable. To suggest otherwise is silly and dishonest. There are scenarios where moving Hughes makes sense. There's also loads of them where it doesn't at all. Don't limit yourself or your thinking. Crosby is un-tradable change my mind. He rejects any trades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, aGENT said: Who said I wasn't happy to have Hughes? Look, I'm in no rush AT ALL to move him. And I'd only do so with someone like McAvoy coming back (which is unlikely to happen) but nobody is un-tradable. To suggest otherwise is silly and dishonest. There are scenarios where moving Hughes makes sense. There's also loads of them where it doesn't at all. Don't limit yourself or your thinking. When has a trade like that ever happened? The closest was probably Weber for Subban, but they were 1) older, and 2) had internal issues with the team. I can’t think of anything else even close. Teams don’t trade players like Hughes or McAvoy. If they are lucky enough to land one, they keep him. Part of that is having a player who was drafted and brought along by your team, that hopefully builds loyalty, and may make it easier to keep him long-term. Edited August 12, 2021 by D-Money 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 hour ago, D-Money said: When has a trade like that ever happened? The closest was probably Weber for Subban, but they were 1) older, and 2) had internal issues with the team. I can’t think of anything else even close. Teams don’t trade players like Hughes or McAvoy. If they are lucky enough to land one, they keep him. Part of that is having a player who was drafted and brought along by your team, that hopefully builds loyalty, and may make it easier to keep him long-term. Gretzky was traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alflives Posted August 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 minute ago, -AJ- said: Gretzky was traded. Gretzky was sold. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Gretzky was sold. Even if you want to view it that way, he was traded again in '96 as a pending UFA. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, -AJ- said: Gretzky was traded. 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Gretzky was sold. 57 minutes ago, -AJ- said: Even if you want to view it that way, he was traded again in '96 as a pending UFA. Gretzky was also turned down by Burke Gretzky also resigned as coach. Edited August 12, 2021 by Dazzle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dats hockey Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 hour ago, -AJ- said: Gretzky was traded. Did Gretzky play in this Era did he had a NMC did he have to deal with salary caps and fair returns in trades? The League Is Different Now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 hour ago, -AJ- said: Gretzky was traded. Gretzky was traded at 27. And even then, as Alf alluded to, there were significant financial reasons for it. Barring a total fallout with the team, how many 21 year-olds who have set NHL records have been traded? Again, the conversation is just dumb. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 5 hours ago, D-Money said: When has a trade like that ever happened? The closest was probably Weber for Subban, but they were 1) older, and 2) had internal issues with the team. I can’t think of anything else even close. Teams don’t trade players like Hughes or McAvoy. If they are lucky enough to land one, they keep him. Part of that is having a player who was drafted and brought along by your team, that hopefully builds loyalty, and may make it easier to keep him long-term. I agree, which is why I said it's highly unlikely to occur. That wasn't the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Alflives said: Gretzky was sold out. Fify Alf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 Not putting this in proposal section as I'm not proposing that we trade Hughes. This is a completely hypothetical discussion. #1. Let's say that Rathbone shows up and proves that he can produce at .8 or .9 of what Hughes can, while being defensively responsible. #2. Let's say that hypothetically, New Jersey would like to consolidate all 3 Hughes brothers on the same team and build around them. What would you say is a fair return on a trade, that would set Vancouver up as a contender for the next decade? Something where both teams would walk away happy with the transaction. Again, not proposing or saying that we should trade Hughes, just looking at structure of the roster now and for the next few years and what we are not only going to need to pay Hughes, but Pettersson, Boeser etc, and thinking that depth often is what wins cups, not just raw talent. What do you see on NJ, as prospects and mix of picks, that would make you as fans, happy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: This is a completely hypothetical discussion. Not so hypothetically? We waited 50 years for a D like Quinn Hughes. If Rathbone turns out to be another great player we will be better served having two great d! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Not so hypothetically? We waited 50 years for a D like Quinn Hughes. If Rathbone turns out to be another great player we will be better served having two great d! I agree, I'm just looking at overall team balance and what would be reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: I agree, I'm just looking at overall team balance and what would be reasonable. The Habs won a lot of Cups with Robinson, Savard, and Lapoint playing almost all of their most important minutes. All left shot guys. All offensively gifted. Then they added Languay and Engblom for depth. Both left shot, but defensively minded. Having Hughes and Bone is a way to win Cups. These are great players (Hughes is a phenom). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Alflives said: The Habs won a lot of Cups with Robinson, Savard, and Lapoint playing almost all of their most important minutes. All left shot guys. All offensively gifted. Then they added Languay and Engblom for depth. Both left shot, but defensively minded. Having Hughes and Bone is a way to win Cups. These are great players (Hughes is a phenom). True, but they did that without dealing with a Salary Cap 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: True, but they did that without dealing with a Salary Cap Good point. But let’s have these guys lead our team to a few Cups before trading one away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 On 8/12/2021 at 1:48 PM, D-Money said: Gretzky was traded at 27. And even then, as Alf alluded to, there were significant financial reasons for it. Barring a total fallout with the team, how many 21 year-olds who have set NHL records have been traded? Again, the conversation is just dumb. I mean this just tells you how the organization was run (Edmonton). How the &^@# do you have financial issues when you have the best player in the known universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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-AJ- Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 17 hours ago, Stierlitz said: Interesting to see the top two. Also interesting to see the correlation between passes per 60 and perceived stars for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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