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1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

Holy yup.  That didn't age well at all.  No question in a large point of hypocritical irony the Republicans will point their fingers at this statement over and over ignoring what was said to and about Trump before the bootlicking began

The hypocrisy is definitely the thing that annoys me the most about politics, especially when it comes down to stuff like this.  It's a bi-partisan issue and probably will never go away. 

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53 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

That's the joke Hip was making.  Hypocritical politicians 

Even the dead aren't immune to the GOP.

 

Caine tweets from beyond the grave!

 

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/herman-cain-tweet-death-biden-kamala-161330264.html

 

Praise Jeebus!  The 2nd coming of Herman Caine!

 

:lol:

 

Weekend at Caine's!

 

 

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Eh not a good look for the Dems if true.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8630561/Dont-underestimate-Joes-ability-f-things-Obama-shares-private-doubts-former-VP.html

https://nypost.com/2020/08/15/barack-obama-reportedly-undercuts-bidens-2020-white-house-run/

 

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'Don't underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up': Obama has shared private doubts about Biden's 2020 chances claim insiders - as tensions grow over ex-president's lack of support for Democrat candidate

  •  Barack Obama allegedly cautioned another Democrat not to 'underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up'
  • The former president was slow to endorse his VP as the Democratic candidate
  • There are said to be tensions between the Biden and Obama camps over his lack of support
  • Biden claimed Obama didn't 'lift a finger' to help him win South Carolina
  • Obama discouraged Biden from a 2016 run
  • He instead backed Hillary Clinton as his successor believing her more fit to take over his role 

 

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1 hour ago, Junkyard Dog said:

Robert Stanfield should've PM at least once if it truly went to the 'best candidate.

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2 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said:

Daily mail has always been the most credible and impartial reporter of anything left of centre and would never fabricate things 

 

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Analysts say if Biden wins he’ll likely unite allies against China, and that’s good for Canada

VANCOUVER — A Joe Biden White House would benefit Canada as it grapples with mainland China’s increasingly hostile foreign policy, analysts say.

 

Dan Ikenson, director of the Herbert A. Stiefel Centre for Trade Policy Studies at the Washington, D.C.-based Cato Institute, said Biden’s stance on China and his desire to repair the international reputation of the United States will give Ottawa more leverage against Beijing.

 

“What Biden is likely to do is to recognize if we have problems with China the best way to handle those problems is to have as many allies as possible on board paddling in the same direction,” Ikenson said.

 

Canada’s relations with mainland China have been in a downward spiral since the 2018 arrest of Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou in Vancouver at the request of the United States.

 

Beijing has since punished Canadian imports to the country and arrested two Canadians in China on what observers say are bogus espionage charges. It hassentenced four other Canadians convicted of drug offences there to death.

 

Canada’s relations with Washington have also seen better days, with the Trump administration forcing the rewriting of the North American Free Trade Agreement into a new deal. The U.S. also reimposed import taxes on Canadian aluminum last week, prompting $3.8 billion in retaliatory tariffs from Ottawa.

 

But Biden would likely “mend fences” with Ottawa and other allies if elected, says Ikenson, adding strength to countering Beijing’s foreign policy.

 

Such a strategy could include dropping the aluminum import taxes and working together with Canada on technology security issues, such as telecommunications and even apps such as TikTok, he said.

 

“We need to figure out a way to more clearly delineate technologies that are threatening to national security from those that are not,” he said. “That’s something I think can be achieved through coordination with the G7.” Meanwhile, on Monday, Trump claimed that Biden’s stance on China is so weak that if he were to win the presidency this November Americans would be “forced” to learn “Chinese.” But Ikenson said Biden and the Democrats have had a firm stance on China since the Obama administration. Democrats have also supported sanctions on Chinese Communist Party officials (CCP) in response to Beijing’s human rights abuses in Hong Kong and elsewhere.


During a Democratic primary debate this year, Biden said he’s spent more time with Chinese president Xi Jinping than any other world leader and called him a “thug.” Meanwhile, Biden’s vice-presidential choice, U.S. Senator Kamala Harris, has spoken out against China’s human rights abuses, including penning a letter with another senator asking the Trump administration to take action on revelations of aforced-sterilization program of Muslims in the Xinjiang Autonomous Region.

A unified voice would better safeguard Canada’s interests when dealing with Beijing, agreed associate professor of global management at Ryerson University Sui Sui.

 

Sui told the Star if a more co-operative relationship existed between Canada and the U.S. when Meng was arrested in Vancouver, Washington may have employed more diplomatic actions to take responsibility for the arrest.

In turn, retaliation against Canada by China could have been mitigated, she said.“The U.S. didn’t really deal with the media message with China well, so China’s mad at Canada,” Sui said. She said co-operation between Ottawa and Washington could still work in getting the two Canadians detained on espionage charges, Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, released.

 

Comments made by Trump shortly after Meng’s arrest suggesting the U.S. was open to negotiating for her release likely made the situation worse for the two men, Sui said.Margaret McCuaig-Johnston, a University of Ottawa professor and former civil servant assigned to Canada-China relations, said Biden would help Canada immensely if he kept up pressure on Beijing to reform business practices in China. 

 

McCuaig-Johnston said trade negotiations between the U.S. and China were supposed to address business practices in mainland China, such as forcing companies to share their technology to get access to the Chinese market. 

But, though the deal promised an action on such issues, there was no clear path to enforcement. 

“I think that Biden could get back to the business of getting China to focus on its business practices,” she said. “That’s what would really help American companies doing business in China and at the same time would help Canadian companies.” 

 

McCuaig-Johnston said Biden would offer a stable and rational approach to relations with Beijing. 

Ikenson, meanwhile, said a tougher stance on China is going to continue from U.S. leaders no matter who wins in November. But he said Biden’s approach will likely be most effective. 

“I think every freedom loving, democracy loving humanist loving democracy in the world should see any alternative to Donald Trump as progress,” Ikenson said.

With files from the Associated Press

 

*Sorry for weird spacing.

Biden2020.  I'm on the band wagon.

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Idk... Many many people are saying that Sleepy Joe will give the USA to China so I don’t think he is against them.  Despite Trumps business dealings, family patents, cheap labour to make the clothing, asking for assistance in staying in power, He has been harder on China than any person in history. All you need to look at is the hundreds of trillions of dollars the tariffs are directly (I think via EFT but could be wrong) putting in Americans pockets.

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9 minutes ago, Ronaldoescobar said:

Idk... Many many people are saying that Sleepy Joe will give the USA to China so I don’t think he is against them.  Despite Trumps business dealings, family patents, cheap labour to make the clothing, asking for assistance in staying in power, He has been harder on China than any person in history. All you need to look at is the hundreds of trillions of dollars the tariffs are directly (I think via EFT but could be wrong) putting in Americans pockets.

One of your best I'd say.

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26 minutes ago, Ronaldoescobar said:

Idk... Many many people are saying that Sleepy Joe will give the USA to China so I don’t think he is against them.  Despite Trumps business dealings, family patents, cheap labour to make the clothing, asking for assistance in staying in power, He has been harder on China than any person in history. All you need to look at is the hundreds of trillions of dollars the tariffs are directly (I think via EFT but could be wrong) putting in Americans pockets.

Left will say Russian interference if Trump wins. Right will say Chinese interference if Biden wins.

 

I will be eating popcorn and watching the fireworks.

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3 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said:

Left will say Russian interference if Trump wins. Right will say Chinese interference if Biden wins.

 

I will be eating popcorn and watching the fireworks.

Just make sure none of the fireworks ignite forest fires in B.C or Canada due to proximity.

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23 hours ago, Ronaldoescobar said:

Idk... Many many people are saying that Sleepy Joe will give the USA to China so I don’t think he is against them.  Despite Trumps business dealings, family patents, cheap labour to make the clothing, asking for assistance in staying in power, He has been harder on China than any person in history. All you need to look at is the hundreds of trillions of dollars the tariffs are directly (I think via EFT but could be wrong) putting in Americans pockets.

tariffs are coming out of American pockets. Import duties aren't hard on China one iota when you keep buying the same things from them and its American customers paying for it. 

 

The US is still importing far more than it exports to China (https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html). 

 

but.... that still wont stop people believing things like "hundreds of trillions" :lol:

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6 minutes ago, Robert Long said:

tariffs are coming out of American pockets. Import duties aren't hard on China one iota when you keep buying the same things from them and its American customers paying for it. 

 

The US is still importing far more than it exports to China (https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html). 

 

but.... that still wont stop people believing things like "hundreds of trillions" :lol:

Sarcasm, Rob...

 

...It's been Ron's thing for a while now...

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1 minute ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Sarcasm, Rob...

 

...It's been Ron's thing for a while now...

ah.... I've been away from the political threads. I was also distracted by the reference to Cruz being an Albertan :lol: cracks me up every time. 

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