[Report] Canucks looking at adding Hoffman

[RRypien37]

1 hour ago, MystifyNCrucify said:

Is his girlfriend/wife part of the deal?

Modified NMC

[aliboy]

I remember this guy from Ottawa and trading for him to help give Florida more room to sign Panarin, & I guess Bob, if the reports are correct, would be a really stupid thing to do.

Edited June 19, 2019 by aliboy

[khay]

1 hour ago, Type R said:

Will be cheaper than Panarin.  I like this idea, hopefully he broke up with his GF

At this rate, we will be the front runner to sign Panarin

 

If we do land Hoffman and somehow sign Panarin as well, I think we will make the playoffs. And depending on the upgrade on RHD, could make some noise once we are there.

 

Panarin would cost around 10-10.5, a bit much but if JB wants to go for the playoffs next season, he will go after him hard.

 

[riffraff]

1 hour ago, Type R said:

I heard she has a NMC 

It’s a two way contract.

[brian42]

Hoffman possible locker room distraction but overblown imo 

 

poor defensive game but as a high end scorer I think it would be smart if:

 

we we get a good price much like Hoffman trades last year & we can extend him beyond his 1 remaining year left. 

[oldnews]

Measured interest in a guy like Hoffman.

Setting aside the rumours/drama etc that I can't be bothered to speculate about/consider....

 

How good a fit would Hoffman be?

 

I think the main considerations would be:

1) he's not a particularly good 'possession' player

2) he has unquestionable upside,

3) he is fairly one-dimensional - and a powerplay 'specialist'

4) he lacks size and grit - in addition to 1).

 

So where would he play?

Imo he wouldn't be a very good fit on Pettersson's wing for reasons 1 and 4 - particularly if Boeser remains on the opposing wing.  Imo a heavier, more hard areas and two way presence would be a better fit on that line.

So does he default to Horvat's wing?  If the Canucks run with a pair of healthy shutdown/matchup lines with Sutter and Beagle, it's conceivable that Horvat's line could return to greater offensive opportunities - in which case, Hoffman may be a good upside fit there.  If Horvat's line is drawn back into shutdown or divided dual-duty - then Hoffman may not remain such a good fit there - ie if there are Sutter or Beagle injuries, or if Sutter is dealt (as some folks here pine regularly for - imo that would be largely contingent on Gaudette's eventual emergence).

 

Key considerations about Hoffman's production in Florida:

1) 50% of it was on the powerplay - a full 35 of his 70 points.

2) his principal linemates were Barkov, Huberdeau and Dadanov.

 

Key aspect of #2 - all three of those guys had (considerably) better underlying numbers than Hoffman.

Barkov = 45% ozone starts, 49.6% corsi

Huberdeau = 49.2 / 52.0

Dadanov = 51.5 / 50.8

Hoffman = 58.8 / 50.9

 

So while his production overall was impressive, a large factor in it is very opportune minutes with Florida's top 3 scorers - and a serious wealth of powerplay ice-time as well - while all three of those other guys were more productive than Hoffman, in less opportune circumstances.

None of that is to say he doesn't represent a lot of upside - but it needs to be contextualized with the limits to his game - aspects which are not such a good fit.

As a guy that Tallon (who is unpredictable) might move 'cheaply' he may be interesting for the powerplay and specific minutes - but as an overall fit, he's not that great in a similar sense to some of the other (relatively one-dimensional, smaller skilled/scoring forward) names that have been attached to 'Canuck interest'.  

 

Personally, I'd be looking at a different kind of forward - one that is a better fit with EP and a better fit with Horvat (if his line draws dual duty) - imo a heavier presence makes more sense - but that's not an easy acquisition, so a specialist at a reasonable cost might turn out to the best opportunity in the end (worth considering).

[CaptKirk888]

42 minutes ago, riffraff said:

It’s a two way contract.

I don’t know, is she willing to go down ( to the minors I mean, of course)

[riffraff]

5 minutes ago, oldnews said:

Measured interest in a guy like Hoffman.

Setting aside the rumours/drama etc that I can't be bothered to speculate about/consider....

 

How good a fit would Hoffman be?

 

I think the main considerations would be:

1) he's not a particularly good 'possession' player

2) he has unquestionable upside,

3) he is fairly one-dimensional - and a powerplay 'specialist'

4) he lacks size and grit - in addition to 1).

 

So where would he play?

Imo he wouldn't be a very good fit on Pettersson's wing for reasons 1 and 4 - particularly if Boeser remains on the opposing wing.  Imo a heavier, more hard areas and two way presence would be a better fit on that line.

So does he default to Horvat's wing?  If the Canucks run with a pair of healthy shutdown/matchup lines with Sutter and Beagle, it's conceivable that Horvat's line could return to greater offensive opportunities - in which case, Hoffman may be a good upside fit there.  If Horvat's line is drawn back into shutdown or divided dual-duty - then Hoffman may not remain such a good fit there - ie if there are Sutter or Beagle injuries, or if Sutter is dealt (as some folks here pine regularly for - imo that would be largely contingent on Gaudette's eventual emergence).

 

Key considerations about Hoffman's production in Florida:

1) 50% of it was on the powerplay - a full 35 of his 70 points.

2) his principal linemates were Barkov, Huberdeau and Dadanov.

 

Key aspect of #2 - all three of those guys had (considerably) better underlying numbers than Hoffman.

Barkov = 45% ozone starts, 49.6% corsi

Huberdeau = 49.2 / 52.0

Dadanov = 51.5 / 50.8

Hoffman = 58.8 / 50.9

 

So while his production overall was impressive, a large factor in it is very opportune minutes with Florida's top 3 scorers - and a serious wealth of powerplay ice-time as well - while all three of those other guys were more productive than Hoffman, in less opportune circumstances.

None of that is to say he doesn't represent a lot of upside - but it needs to be contextualized with the limits to his game - aspects which are not such a good fit.

As a guy that Tallon (who is unpredictable) might move 'cheaply' he may be interesting for the powerplay and specific minutes - but as an overall fit, he's not that great in a similar sense to some of the other (relatively one-dimensional, smaller skilled/scoring forward) names that have been attached to 'Canuck interest'.  

 

Personally, I'd be looking at a different kind of forward - one that is a better fit with EP and a better fit with Horvat (if his line draws dual duty) - imo a heavier presence makes more sense - but that's not an easy acquisition, so a specialist at a reasonable cost might turn out to the best opportunity in the end (worth considering).

Agree.  I like Hoffman as an offensive player.  I’ve seen him play live. He has a great shot and instinct, but he is fairly one dimensional.  I don’t see him being the puck retriever that Elias or brock needs especially if that was a line.  Who does the dirty work?

 

another reason why I like the additions of leivo and Pearson.  Both can play a reasonably “heavy” game on the forecheck and both can shoot.

Edited June 20, 2019 by riffraff

[Alflives]

16 minutes ago, oldnews said:

Measured interest in a guy like Hoffman.

Setting aside the rumours/drama etc that I can't be bothered to speculate about/consider....

 

How good a fit would Hoffman be?

 

I think the main considerations would be:

1) he's not a particularly good 'possession' player

2) he has unquestionable upside,

3) he is fairly one-dimensional - and a powerplay 'specialist'

4) he lacks size and grit - in addition to 1).

 

So where would he play?

Imo he wouldn't be a very good fit on Pettersson's wing for reasons 1 and 4 - particularly if Boeser remains on the opposing wing.  Imo a heavier, more hard areas and two way presence would be a better fit on that line.

So does he default to Horvat's wing?  If the Canucks run with a pair of healthy shutdown/matchup lines with Sutter and Beagle, it's conceivable that Horvat's line could return to greater offensive opportunities - in which case, Hoffman may be a good upside fit there.  If Horvat's line is drawn back into shutdown or divided dual-duty - then Hoffman may not remain such a good fit there - ie if there are Sutter or Beagle injuries, or if Sutter is dealt (as some folks here pine regularly for - imo that would be largely contingent on Gaudette's eventual emergence).

 

Key considerations about Hoffman's production in Florida:

1) 50% of it was on the powerplay - a full 35 of his 70 points.

2) his principal linemates were Barkov, Huberdeau and Dadanov.

 

Key aspect of #2 - all three of those guys had (considerably) better underlying numbers than Hoffman.

Barkov = 45% ozone starts, 49.6% corsi

Huberdeau = 49.2 / 52.0

Dadanov = 51.5 / 50.8

Hoffman = 58.8 / 50.9

 

So while his production overall was impressive, a large factor in it is very opportune minutes with Florida's top 3 scorers - and a serious wealth of powerplay ice-time as well - while all three of those other guys were more productive than Hoffman, in less opportune circumstances.

None of that is to say he doesn't represent a lot of upside - but it needs to be contextualized with the limits to his game - aspects which are not such a good fit.

As a guy that Tallon (who is unpredictable) might move 'cheaply' he may be interesting for the powerplay and specific minutes - but as an overall fit, he's not that great in a similar sense to some of the other (relatively one-dimensional, smaller skilled/scoring forward) names that have been attached to 'Canuck interest'.  

 

Personally, I'd be looking at a different kind of forward - one that is a better fit with EP and a better fit with Horvat (if his line draws dual duty) - imo a heavier presence makes more sense - but that's not an easy acquisition, so a specialist at a reasonable cost might turn out to the best opportunity in the end (worth considering).

And why help Florida clear cap space to sign Panarin, when we might want to sign Panarin?

[oldnews]

5 minutes ago, Alflives said:

And why help Florida clear cap space to sign Panarin, when we might want to sign Panarin?

I dunno Alf - is Panarin that much better a fit than Hoffman?

I'd probably almost prefer to take Hoffman as a cap dump than break the bank for Panarin.

I just don't think the big fish in free agency necessarily make the most sense for the Canucks.

The mid-range guys - who are imo better fits and more versatile - may make more sense in the end - and are lesser term risks.

[Alflives]

4 minutes ago, oldnews said:

I dunno Alf - is Panarin that much better a fit than Hoffman?

I'd probably almost prefer to take Hoffman as a cap dump than break the bank for Panarin.

I just don't think the big fish in free agency necessarily make the most sense for the Canucks.

The mid-range guys - who are imo better fits and more versatile - may make more sense in the end - and are lesser term risks.

Good point.  Likely Panarin is going to get big cap dollars.  Can a team win the Cup with guys making 11 million plus?  

[coastal.view]

8 minutes ago, oldnews said:

I dunno Alf - is Panarin that much better a fit than Hoffman?

I'd probably almost prefer to take Hoffman as a cap dump than break the bank for Panarin.

I just don't think the big fish in free agency necessarily make the most sense for the Canucks.

The mid-range guys - who are imo better fits and more versatile - may make more sense in the end - and are lesser term risks.

i agree

stone would have been the perfect fit

damn . i still wish we could have gotten him

[elvis15]

2 hours ago, Pears said:

Yea this is gonna be an incredible couple of weeks. 

Either that, or incredibly disappointing. More likely somewhere in the middle though.

[aliboy]

16 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Good point.  Likely Panarin is going to get big cap dollars.  Can a team win the Cup with guys making 11 million plus?  

What I remember of Hoffman in Ottawa is that he isn't the guy who scores the big goals, whereas Panarin is the guy who scores the big goals, that's the difference. Panarin is the go to guy, Hoffman is not.

[coryberg]

3 hours ago, Type R said:

Will be cheaper than Panarin.  I like this idea, hopefully he broke up with his GF

 

[Coconuts]

Would be a nice move if Florida's ask isn't too high. They're gonna need cap space if they're serious about Panarin and Bob. 

[MystifyNCrucify]

3 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said:

Heard she hasn't yet been convicted of anything regarding the offensive posts. If you know better, I'd appreciate a link.  Thanks.

Where there is smoke, there is fire. The two, or three combustibles in ottawa at the time were karlsson and hoffman. Someone threw down on twatter, like a twat, and sheet hit the fan. 

 

Keep it professional and respectful. Theres a reason they both got traded. 

 

Theres also a reason why one got resigned, and one is being shopped. 

 

Save the drama fo’ yo mamma 

[Lancaster]

Off-ice stuff does impact the product on the ice.  Hoffman's partner wasn't just having a catty fight with Karlsson's.... she has been accused of harassing them after the Karlsson's lost their baby due to prematurity.  It's not some minor thing.... either as the family of Canucks players, past and present has always been on the forefront for community services like Canucks for Kids, BC Children's etc.  

 

Banning Hoffman's partner from events wouldn't help either, since her isolation would probably spill over to Mike and potentially into the locker room.  Not saying everyone in the Canucks family needs to be all Ned and Maude Flanders.... but at least civilized.  

[Rob_Zepp]

4 hours ago, Fanuck said:

I know this sounds like a D**k comment, but truly I don't mean it that way -  JB has said for YEARS he actively looks for ways to improve this club continuously.  The price for doing so however has been ridiculous and we've never been in the position to make it worth the cost. 

 

He's said that for years now. 

And through the draft he has done a lot of that (improved the club) and for the first time is on the verge of assets that allow him to actually make some real impactful moves....both having shed a lot of CAP and having been patient.   If he re-signs Edler for the prices being quoted by media (which may be wrong so no confirmation there yet), he has made one of the best FA moves anyone will make this summer.   If he grabs one top 6 forward or top 4 Dman without hampering the longer-term commitment to this young core developing, then it will have been a great summer for the team given the growth the youth will have AND the likelihood of adding 2 if not more legitimate prospects in this deep draft.

[kloubek]

I like to see Benning is looking at all options.  He really must be if the rumors are true - as Hoffman is not a guy we should be going after for several reasons.

 

I keep preaching Lee.  Telling you - his size, playing style and upside would be a perfect fit with Petey and Boeser.  The fact he hasn't signed with the Islanders yet gives me hope we have a crack at him.  Term, good cap hit all potentially available.

 

Lee Pete Boeser

Panarin Bo Pearson

Baer Sutter* Virtanen

Granlund Beagle Roussel

Leivo, Goldie, Motte as backups.

 

*If Sutter somehow regained form with a fresh season. That line could be a real threat for a 3rd line.

 

Am I crazy in thinking that is a potential cup winning forward lineup? To me, that looks like a fully built lineup.

Edited June 20, 2019 by kloubek