Popular Post Dazzle Posted June 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just now, CaptainLinden16 said: You are right on all fronts, but thats what I wouldve wanted and preferred. I know that is meaningless, but that is what we are essentially arguing. What in your opinion is the best fit. I mean hell you could've done both trades. I would've been happy as can be in that case. Honestly, I'm glad we didn't do the Subban trade. He doesn't fit our age range - even though we need defenceman. Hell, at this point, I'd rather sign Phaneuf/Schenn for cheap (he got bought out by LA) as depth and figure out who else they could sign as a UFA. As you said, it 'only' costs cash. 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainLinden16 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just now, Dazzle said: Honestly, I'm glad we didn't do the Subban trade. He doesn't fit our age range - even though we need defenceman. Hell, at this point, I'd rather sign Phaneuf/Schenn for cheap (he got bought out by LA) as depth and figure out who else they could sign as a UFA. As you said, it 'only' costs cash. yeah maybe Subban isn't the best choice but two 2nd and whatever prospects is a easy deal. The 9 million isnt a big deal either right now. The powerplay would have substantially improved. The ability to get the puck up the ice would've as well. The forwards will be better if the D can get the damn puck out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kanukfanatic Posted June 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, CaptainLinden16 said: thats overly simplistic to say. You are saying because this event happened it was the only thing possible. This is the definition of circular logic. You are right as we don't have any knowledge of what happens in an NHL front office we cant say with any certainty what was possible. What I do know is that Subban went for two 2nd's. That was possible. Maybe Barrie, Risto, Pesce was possible...Maybe not...I would've waited. Also questioning the validity of a move like this is the entire reason this message board exists. I am pretty sure this would be a boring read if it was a giant pat on the back session on here. I am open to having my mind changed. I don't think you are haha. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckleHorse Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 You can’t always rip-off those that you do business with and giving up more now may get you a better deal down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainLinden16 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just now, Kanukfanatic said: I don't think you are haha. hahahha fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 If he has an off year or an amzing year this thread has the potential to surpass the Trump thread. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Losing With Pride said: I’m being ridiculous? Tell me how his playoff stats are? Yes you are. I see why, it's because you can't read, so you need someone to read his stats for you. I'll read them for you. His playoff stats are slightly less than his regular season stats, which is completely normal. He had one somewhat unproductive year in the playoffs, producing only a quarter-point per game a couple of years ago, but the other 5 years he was in the playoffs, he consistently produced about half a point per game, only marginally less than his regular season career average of 0.54/game. What is your point? Are you trying to pretend that he is an Ehlers/Nylander type player who only produces in the regular season but not in the playoffs? Because that is absolutely false. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 3 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: Can't “sprinkle in some performance bonuses” only available on ELC and +35 contracts. didn't know that...thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 2 hours ago, 189lb enforcers? said: Just to be clear of the context, I’ve linked all these posts of ours so we understand each other. As per THN’s Draft Preview, which I can’t post of course, are their lists of late-round gems. They take all teams and compare all picks made after the second round since 2000 to play a minimum of 100 NHL games. There is is no comparison, as was my point about Tampa, which wasn’t to necessarily compare against the Canucks either, not at all actually. Tampa is 4th most productive at 4th, with 122 picks and and 20 players. Vancouver is ranked 29th with 98 picks and a merger 7 players. Considering both teams teams have gone through the boom and bust roster phases during that time period (2000-now) I’d say that, 1st rounders and high seconds are cancelled out, leaving the rest. As to your point about hitting on the 1st or 2nd OA picks, I don’t disagree. Who would? It’s not like the Canucks’ string of top 7 picks isn’t also up there in ways to diminish the drafting prowess of teams who routinely pick that high. As an aside to this, I think those two teams cancel out with such 1st round luxury and thus the significance of the importance, and the point of comparing, the results later picks. Not much to compare. 4th place to 29th. 2 hours ago, 189lb enforcers? said: Tampa has had great success in the aspect of drafting. These picks will most likely produce further examples of what has made them such a deep, talented team, with a consistently and relatively full pipeline, to boot. That franchise deserves what ever successes they get. They didn’t take any shortcuts. According to the numbers you have stated above, Tampa drafts just over one player per year who plays at least 100 NHL games. And 20 players from 122 picks is a success rate of less than one in six. And in your mind, a less than one in six chance of getting a player means "these picks will most likely produce". Math is not your strong point is it? By the way, I am sure that nobody noticed you as usual taking the opportunity to put down the Canucks, even though it is rather silly and irrelevant to the current conversation to whine about the Canucks drafting under previous, much weaker drafting regimes when they were a strong, late drafting team. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob_Zepp Posted June 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2019 If a guy who is versatile and can get 50+ points and is in his prime isn't worth a non-lottery first, not sure who is. The only risk to this trade is if the entirety of the Canuck development crashes and they are not a playoff team with this core. That is certainly a risk but if they are as good as they project to be, this is a very logical move to bolster the team with a legitimate top 6 player who can be part of any team in the NHL in that role. 1 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 57 minutes ago, Dazzle said: Pearson, Miller and Goldy are going to be competing against each other, clearly, for top six spots. It also allows flexibility for the team to switch people around when they're having a bad game. Furthermore, Goldy's on a cheap contract. They need him to produce because they'll need all the cap space possible for Boeser and (later Petterson's) salary increases. you forgot about Baer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 I am okay with the Miller trade just turning 26 yrs old, 6'1, 218 has talent and plays a complete game and can play all 3 forward position.. Guy can PK - PP and will bring more character to dressing room.. Know we had to give up a first rounder and 3rd rounder.... He has good contract 4yrs x 5.2 million , 26, playing in top 6 here I feel his complete game he should be a GP 80 - G 23 --Pts ( 58 -- 62) We are not finish trading yet and we will get draft picks back in other deals...Example: Who knows in 1.5 yrs we could be ready to trade Markstrom if Demko is ready for #1 duty.. We will get picks back and will be fine.. If Markstrom has another strong season his stock will be high.. I have faith that Juolevi 6'3, 21,will shock people and play a #4 role by season end... This young man has all the talent just bad luck with injuries the past 2 yrs.. Be patient will be more trades and a very good UFA signing soon.. I would like to see Jordie Benn fill D position here for 2 yrs ? He has a nasty side, 6'2, 215... I think Myers or Gardnier will land here in Vancouver? Term might be 6 yrs 6.5 million? Going to be exciting over next 2-3 weeks.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 18 hours ago, stawns said: Granny is just do versatile.......I think they let Goldy walk and keep Granny and then move him in a deal at some point this season. You could be right. I found myself thinking how do we just let Granlund walk? He's one of the better bottom 6 forwards we've had over the last few years. But then I realize how bad we've been over that time and that upgrades are needed at nearly every position. Plus we have a guy like MacEwen in the minors knocking on the door. So, do we really have space for Granlund? It's a numbers game and although he's a versitile player, the reality is he's replaceable and fairly easily at that. The reason I qualify Goldobin is because of his ceiling. If by chance he does pan out, that slides someone further down our lineup, strengthening our bottom 6 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coryberg Posted June 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just did a little digging into his time on ice history and saw that throughout Miller's career he has averaged 14:50 a game. During his 2 best seasons he was over 16 minutes per game. -In 2016-17 he had 56 points when he cracked the 16 minute mark at 16:22 toi -In 2017-18 he had 58 points at 17:01 toi (Including the 19 games with Tampa bay where he played 18:01 and had 18 points in 19 games) In 2018-19 Cooper bumped him down to the 3rd and he had 47points in a below career average 14:40. JT most likely will receive 18 minutes a night in Vancouver, if you equate points to time on ice and extrapolate 14:40 to 18:00 you would see his total from last season at 58 points. We aren't getting a wild card or taking a risk here this player is consistent, physical, durable and at 58 points he would have been our 3rd leading point getter just behind Pettersson and Horvat. If the pick becomes a lottery pick I'm sure it will be #14 or 15. This team is on the rise and even more so with a player like JT and a mystery box coming on D. The chances of the pick being a top 5 are minuscule. If by some insane bad luck that happens we MIGHT lose this trade, either way I think it was a good gamble to take. 1 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 4 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: Troll someone else Boston troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just now, CanadianRugby said: Troll someone else Boston troll. Hilarious, Leaf fluffer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WHL rocks Posted June 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2019 I listened to Brisebois interview after the trade. He said him and JB had been working on the trade for some time now.. it's not like JB just picked up the phone and called Brisbois offering this package of pics. It was in the works for a while. Both GMs knew what the value for Miller was. If it was strictly a cap dump Tampa would have moved Palat or Johnson or Killorn. They all make around same as Miller. JB specifically targeted this player. He's a power forward Canucks desperately need. 2 1 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Hilarious, Leaf fluffer. Me thinking a rebuilding team is smart to acquire draft picks doesn't make me a leaf fluffer. You cheering for this thing does make you a bruin fluffer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 I have seen some comments on Benning retrieving some picks from extra forwards. I also hope he can but I am doubtful. What kind of value do we think these players might bring . Motte - ? Schaller - ? Goldy - ? Granlund - ? Spooner - ? I will assume that LE can't be moved and will play the year or 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, appleboy said: I have seen some comments on Benning retrieving some picks from extra forwards. I also hope he can but I am doubtful. What kind of value do we think these players might bring . Motte - ? Schaller - ? Goldy - ? Granlund - ? Spooner - ? I will assume that LE can't be moved and will play the year or 3. I think we probably keep Motte as he has been good on the 4th line and is one of the only guys that hits. As for the others: Motte - keep Schaller - future considerations Goldy - 5th Granlund - 3rd Spooner - 4th I could be way off lol. Edit; after Loui's bonus is paid July 1st maybe you could move him to a cap floor team for a 7th. Edited June 23, 2019 by Kanukfanatic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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