Elias Pettersson Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) Edited February 8, 2020 by Elias Pettersson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glug Datt Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 23 hours ago, xereau said: I dunno, Marchand going for that broom is pretty freaky. frick.. here's hoping that doesn't haunt me in my dreams.. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glug Datt Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 7:21 PM, Hairy Kneel said: UFA's should come with a one season 'buy out' warranty , if they come with pre-existing injuries that flare up again that's an interesting idea.. the way things are going, ufa's might not be cashing in as much anyways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) On 2/7/2020 at 7:21 PM, Hairy Kneel said: UFA's should come with a one season 'buy out' warranty , if they come with pre-existing injuries that flare up again Canucks did a review of Ferland with doctors before signing him. I like the idea in general, but there's also a little bit of a "Buyer beware", with pre-owned It should be noted, that the sooner that we activate him from LTIR, the sooner we lose his 3.5 million cap relief. Let's REALLY make sure that he's good to go before we do. I think that's the big delay on sending him to Utica as well, they are doing a little disguising LTIR as cautious approach.... Edited February 10, 2020 by VegasCanuck Additional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post 73 Percent Posted February 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2020 I cant wait to get this guy back. He was my favorite signing this year. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nux_win Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, The 5th Line said: It's still just way too soon imo. He was concussed so damn easily, didn't take all that much time off before skating again either now he's already playing games. I'd keep him out of game action for another month at least, even with no symptoms present. How can we fans possibly know that it is "too soon" better than the top shelf professional health care practitioners he's working with? I don't want to see him re-injure himself anymore than anyone else but if he's good to go, he's good to go. And I sure hope he's good to go, we could use him. Go Canucks Go! Edited February 12, 2020 by nux_win typo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 8:19 PM, gameburn said: That's not a bad idea, something has to be done. And a "Loui" clause -- if after 50% of a contract is up with one of these UFAs, either side can opt out. Perhaps with a buyout on management's side. we could have bought Loui out last summer. It's jim's poor contract negotiating that makes the buy out useless. Jim also signed Brock to a decent cap hit with a large raise built into the NEXT contract. If Brock isn't a PPG player by the end of this contract either he walks like Hutton did or he gets a HOPER contract that will make him immovable unless he ups his game. the "something" that needs to be done is, not sign bad contracts Jim had his best summer yet in 2019, but there are still deals that could come back to bite him. Miller deal, A+ Fanta deal A+ Myers looks good right now but $6X6 has potential to be terrible later on Ferland deal not looking good All that said, I don't know why the NHL needs front/back loaded contract or signing bonus'. Performance bonus' I understand, but Loui (for example) should get $6 mill in each year of his conrtact, nothing paid out on July 1st. All the front/back loaded signing bonus' do is make it so rich teams can flog bad contracts on poor teams. NOt really the essense of the cap at all, just a built in loop hole 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux_win Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, The 5th Line said: Because health care practitioners can't predict recovery from brain injuries. They told him he was good to go for the season..training camp rolls around and he becomes "ill" then when he finally gets back in he gets in to a fight in which he never even really received a real punch and it took him out, then he comes back again and then simply just lays a hit then goes out again, now we're taking a similar amount of time to let him "heal" then we're throwing him right back in..? Why? How? How is this time going to be better or different? No doctor can possibly predict that. Concussions simply just don't how to be dealt with. In 2013 I recieved 3 major head injuries. I fractured my skull in one of these cases and this was the outcome of that..Hemorrhage and gas within my right anterior cranial fossa. Also, parenchymal hemorrhages within my left and right frontal lobes. Nice and healed over with scar tissue now I've had many concussions and have gone through the most terrifying and uncomfortable crap you could imagine dealing with post concussion syndrome for 5+ years. Advice for any regular folk who may receive a head injury. Take extra extra extra time to heal. Take your recovery serious. Continue seeing your doctor of course but if you want true support and guidance you go to either a concussion specialist which usually costs $$$$$$ or you stick with Facebook/online/in person support groups and you learn from people living a similar experience. Doctors will just give you anti depressants and tell you to come back in a month. Hey man I have great empathy for your injuries but every case is different. Are you saying that nobody can ever return to contact sports after a head injury? Because that seems to be what you're implying. Nobody knows for sure, head injuries are highly complicated stuff, but it's almost certain that he is getting the best health advice that is currently available. He has taken quite a long time off already. The official line may be a lie but the official line is that he isn't suffering post concussion syndrome. We don't really know what it is. They won't say specifically. So all we fans can do is speculate. Sometimes more rest is required, yes, but sometimes not. Many pro athletes have come back from head injuries (and sadly many haven't). There is always some risk involved in playing contact sports. I've played rugby and I've had my "bell rung" a few times but that doesn't make me an expert on head injuries. I'm just saying that we should trust the people who are. Go Canucks Go! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) Ferland is in a MUCH better place to deal with concussion issues than some beer league guy. He has big money and the best medical professionals in the world to treat him, give him advice, and tell him when he is ready to return to action. The biggest impediment to that happening to pro athletes is usually their own egos and telling themselves they can go back sooner than the advice. So yeah...I will stick with the professional advice Ferland is getting. Ferland can decide when to come back using the high priced medical advice he is given. He obviously has not been rushed so posters suggesting that are out to lunch. Edited February 12, 2020 by Kanukfanatic 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, The 5th Line said: Mhmm all that money and good doctoring is really helping him so far. Stop pretending to have me on ignore and respond to me directly like a man. How bout dat? You're soft No that's not what I implied. Are you aware of ferlands history? Once you have a history of concussions you can't dig yourself out of it, you become more susceptible and generally take longer to heal from the next one. He's already had at least two incidents this season alone that have resulted in setbacks from issues he dealt with last seasons o and maybe a third but like you said they keep it hush-hush. I never said he or anyone that gets a head injury can't play anymore, but if you keep having reoccurring issues in the same year, it's PROBABlY best to shut it down for as long as possible, not take equal amount of time off each time and just head right back out there. It's idiotic. He is having reoccurring issues from light contact, he has a history now and once you gain a history there's no going back. Isn't that kind of what they're doing now? Ferland has stated that they're taking more time then he's use to in order to heal to be cautious. That implies that he's let it linger and hasn't actually been careful about it previously while on other teams. Canucks are probably looking at it from a bigger picture seeing how they signed him 4 years. Personally I am surprised that the Canes and Flames haven't shut him down like we have. Dudes always come back early when it wasn't right for him too. It's hard to believe professional sports teams would miss that. He has never missed more than 11 games since he's started playing full seasons and now he's on 40+ games missed and counting. I think that the Canucks are doing the right thing with him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gameburn Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 On 2/11/2020 at 5:41 PM, lmm said: we could have bought Loui out last summer. It's jim's poor contract negotiating that makes the buy out useless. Jim also signed Brock to a decent cap hit with a large raise built into the NEXT contract. If Brock isn't a PPG player by the end of this contract either he walks like Hutton did or he gets a HOPER contract that will make him immovable unless he ups his game. the "something" that needs to be done is, not sign bad contracts Jim had his best summer yet in 2019, but there are still deals that could come back to bite him. Miller deal, A+ Fanta deal A+ Myers looks good right now but $6X6 has potential to be terrible later on Ferland deal not looking good All that said, I don't know why the NHL needs front/back loaded contract or signing bonus'. Performance bonus' I understand, but Loui (for example) should get $6 mill in each year of his conrtact, nothing paid out on July 1st. All the front/back loaded signing bonus' do is make it so rich teams can flog bad contracts on poor teams. NOt really the essense of the cap at all, just a built in loop hole Great post. Had me rethinking stuff. You are right: there is a pattern in some of Jim's contracts: risk in later years, overpaying. And you have hit on something we often look past: the details in these contracts are incredible. Front and back loaded... signing bonuses, etc. You are right: makes no sense at all and should be done away with in the next negotiations. I had a small role in a union for a number of years, BCGEU. A lot of time spent on things like "job classification" -- i.e., you get paid for what you do, if your employee is getting job A out of you and a bit of B and C, you should be paid accordingly. Which brings me to my biggest complaint about the ways seem to be working here/throughout the league: get as many players as possible on Entry level contracts, so that you can actually fit under the cap. Absolutely mad. If the league/CBA were run like a real business connected to a real union, it would be entirely different. If your job involves 1st line minutes/scoring at a certain level, then you get paid at the level described in the contract regardless of whether you are 19 years of age or fresh up from the minors replacing somebody. To see Eriksson making 6 or 7 times what Virtanen (or Pettersson! or Hughes) are making is just plain unjust. A new CBA that had to fit under a CAP situation, but that didn't have Entry level contracts would be a very different situation. Make the "minimum wage" higher for anyone who plays in the NHL (3 million per annum/pro-rated?) and work in some kind of bonus/extra money deal beyond that for the big fish. And give players proper severance deals/lay off packages. I really believe that when Ted Lindsay and the early NHL guys went for a "player's association" in place of a union, they really made a mistake. Not too late to change though. In the present environment though: you are right: if a GM is dumb enough to overpay for over-long contracts, then they get what they deserve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 On 2/11/2020 at 5:41 PM, lmm said: we could have bought Loui out last summer. It's jim's poor contract negotiating that makes the buy out useless. Jim also signed Brock to a decent cap hit with a large raise built into the NEXT contract. If Brock isn't a PPG player by the end of this contract either he walks like Hutton did or he gets a HOPER contract that will make him immovable unless he ups his game. the "something" that needs to be done is, not sign bad contracts Jim had his best summer yet in 2019, but there are still deals that could come back to bite him. Miller deal, A+ Fanta deal A+ Myers looks good right now but $6X6 has potential to be terrible later on Ferland deal not looking good All that said, I don't know why the NHL needs front/back loaded contract or signing bonus'. Performance bonus' I understand, but Loui (for example) should get $6 mill in each year of his conrtact, nothing paid out on July 1st. All the front/back loaded signing bonus' do is make it so rich teams can flog bad contracts on poor teams. NOt really the essense of the cap at all, just a built in loop hole #1. Buying Loui out last summer would have been much more expensive on the cap. Yes, it should have been a shorter contract, but coming off a 30 goal season and having shown really good chemistry with the Sedin's, I understand why Benning gambled and signed him. All GM's have contracts that they wish they could time machine on, this is Benning's. Hopefully, Eriksson retires this summer, I believe there is a lot of reasons for him to do so. #2. If Brock is a .75 point per game guy at the end of his contract, 7.5 million isn't far off the going rate. Further, the amount in his final year, is the amount that we would have to qualify him for, not necessarily sign him for. So, we qualify him for 7.5 million for 1 year, doesn't mean that we can't/don't resign him for 6 years at an average cap hit of 6 - 6.5 million. #3. Miller wasn't a contract that Benning signed, but if you're referring to the trade to acquire him, I was one of the people who was all in on that one when the deal was announced. Yes, giving up a 1st kind of sucks, but its hard to find guys in the first round (past top 10), who had the qualifications that Miller had, and he's really delivered for us, exceeded all my expectations. #4. Myers at 6 x 6 was going rate, someone was going to give him that or more. There's risk in all contracts, all you can do is take your best shot at improving the team. #5. Ferland deal is not hurting us, and if he can recover, 3.5 million is really good value here. If he can't and has further injuries, then he will go back on LTIR, and very possibly retire, in which case, his cap hit doesn't matter any longer. #6. You are totally correct on Performance Bonus. It is a loop hole in the current CBA, that I'm positive that the NHL would like to address, but I'm pretty sure that the players like it this way. Most likely it will stay the way it is in the new CBA, maybe the NHL can do some type of trade off to build in some restrictions like signing bonus can only be X% of years salary. The players like it like this as it makes their contracts, largely immune to lockouts etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux_win Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I just thought I'd post this in case anyone wants to learn more about concussion and brain injuries. Go Canucks Go! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 According to Darren Micheal Ferland expected to play in Utica tomorrow. He’s healthy and should be back up with the Canucks sooner than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biasbieksa Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 So was it confirmed that he had a concussion or not? Was it something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borvat Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 15 hours ago, nux_win said: I just thought I'd post this in case anyone wants to learn more about concussion and brain injuries. Go Canucks Go! Similar to what I heard reported when Crosby suffered his concussion. It is the whiplash effect that causes the real issue not the impact. That's why recurrence is much easier post initial concussion. Any whiplash event - even a hard check - can cause it to reoccur unless it is given ample time to heal. Crosby took the time to let it heal. Good post. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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