[Proposal] Canucks and Leafs

[PunjabiCanucks]

The Leafs have a crunch to improve their defense and one of our biggest presses is to get Bo Horvat a consistent line mate.

Now ideally we involve Tanev, but due to the fact him and Hughes are playing good together, Why not Stetcher go the Leafs to improve their  team....

 

Now what we would want back possibly, Kapenen to me comes in mind.... Horvat is struggling and we were hoping he would have a 60 point season. Now I do understand Horvat is playing a huge defensive role and takes the tough matchups but we need to do better for him.....

 

We compare him to being our Bergeron or Kesler etc. The difference is they had seasons with good +/- , Horvat does not but he has the ability to imo

 

We do have Poldkozin who could step in next year or Hoglander.... essentially if we are a playoff team pull the trigger, if not wait a year and see where we are

Edited November 21, 2019 by PunjabiCanucks

[xereau]

Podkolzin is under contract in the KHL next season.

 

Dumbass is under a mega cap crunch.

We'd need to take an equal hit to Tanev back, and we are already overloaded with contracts.

[JM_]

1 hour ago, PunjabiCanucks said:

The Leafs have a crunch to improve their defense and one of our biggest presses is to get Bo Horvat a consistent line mate.

Now ideally we involve Tanev, but due to the fact him and Hughes are playing good together, Why not Stetcher go the Leafs to improve their  team....

 

Now what we would want back possibly, Kapenen to me comes in mind.... Horvat is struggling and we were hoping he would have a 60 point season. Now I do understand Horvat is playing a huge defensive role and takes the tough matchups but we need to do better for him.....

 

We compare him to being our Bergeron or Kesler etc. The difference is they had seasons with good +/- , Horvat does not but he has the ability to imo

 

We do have Poldkozin who could step in next year or Hoglander.... essentially if we are a playoff team pull the trigger, if not wait a year and see where we are

The new coach seems to have placed Kapanen on the 3rd line today so maybe? 

 

Kapanen for Stecher straight up and sending Loui to Utica works cap wise.

Edited November 21, 2019 by Jimmy McGill

[Nuxfanabroad]

I want Mikheyev from these ragamuffins..they haven't had much time yet, to destroy his spirit. Size, talent, speed...

 

He's cheap..so next yr they won't be able to pay the guy.

[Alflives]

Loser Leafs would want Tanev and Beagle.  Those are two defensive specialists, who play hard minutes, and play the right way.  They are both seriously tough too.

They'd want to dump salary our way though, so I would expect Nylander and Barry as the two Loser Leafs coming our way.  

[NewbieCanuckFan]

Pod is still pretty raw at this point.  It'll be a few years before one can think of seeing him come over even if he was already under contract with the KHL.

[Rabbit]

2 hours ago, Alflives said:

Loser Leafs would want Tanev and Beagle.  Those are two defensive specialists, who play hard minutes, and play the right way.  They are both seriously tough too.

They'd want to dump salary our way though, so I would expect Nylander and Barry as the two Loser Leafs coming our way.  

This is good idea, however, I would like to do this after confirmation of Tree coming back.

[BrockBoester]

There are 29 other teams to trade with besides the Laffs

 

I want nothing to do with them or any of their players lol

[NewbieCanuckFan]

I wouldn't want to help the Laffs in *ANY* way.

 

Heck, I wouldn't even urinate on them if they were on fire.

[Hindustan Smyl]

Stecher+ for Barrie would give me a 4.7 inch woodie, but that “plus” would likely have to be massive from our end.     
 

Barrie would fit our system well and I think we’d see Barrie return to his Colorado-esque form if he came back here.

 

Only thing we can’t do is move Tanev for Barrie since Tanev is our top 4 defensive defenseman option.    
 

Perhaps Stecher + Virtanen gets errr done?

[GhostsOf1994]

16 hours ago, PunjabiCanucks said:

The Leafs have a crunch to improve their defense and one of our biggest presses is to get Bo Horvat a consistent line mate.

Now ideally we involve Tanev, but due to the fact him and Hughes are playing good together, Why not Stetcher go the Leafs to improve their  team....

 

Now what we would want back possibly, Kapenen to me comes in mind.... Horvat is struggling and we were hoping he would have a 60 point season. Now I do understand Horvat is playing a huge defensive role and takes the tough matchups but we need to do better for him.....

 

We compare him to being our Bergeron or Kesler etc. The difference is they had seasons with good +/- , Horvat does not but he has the ability to imo

 

We do have Poldkozin who could step in next year or Hoglander.... essentially if we are a playoff team pull the trigger, if not wait a year and see where we are

This narrative of Horvat struggling is false.

He was being vastly overplayed while beagle and sutter were/ are hurt.

 

He played 27 freaking minutes one game!

 

Hoping Horvat was on pace for 60ish?

 

23gp 8g 10a for 18 points

 

Some basic math for you, 23 games played and he has 18 points.

 

So multiply 23 for games played by 3 which = 69.

 

So 3x18 = what? 18..36...54..

 

Horvat is on pace 54 points over 69 games.

 

13 games remaining to get to 6 points.

 

Once the team gets a bit healthier (beagle sutter specifically) Horvat will have less defensive responsibilities and should put up more offense.

 

But he is struggling and we must sell the farm to get him some overpaid help.

 

Edited November 22, 2019 by GhostsOf1994

[timberz21]

lol really?!? Stetcher is the solution to the Leafs problems?  ...should have kept Babcock if the fix was that easy.

[gizmo2337]

If the topic begins with "proposal Canucks - Leafs"... the answer is "no thanks"!  

 

[Canuck Surfer]

I personally do not believe that Stecher will command Kapanen.

 

Kap is lightning fast, and one of the few who can play ok defensively for them.  Not the most obvious strategic move. He also scored 44 points last year. 

 

I further don't believe we will sell Stecher. With Tanev a looming UFA?  We have to hedge our bets. Cannot afford to go into next season with Myers as our only experienced RHD. I know the argument about Tryamkin being functional on the right.  But I prefer guys on their natural side.

 

If they would take Tanev?  Its a more logical deal. More solid defensively, which is what they need even more! The UFA status may be countered by him being a TO local. Likely to re-sign, perhaps even in a pre arranged condition of the deal. Tanev who we may have lost anyway, to gain a young 1st round drafted good two way forward could be worth it! 

 

 

[NUCKER67]

 Canucks Surfer, that sounds good.

 

Tanev (and Baertschi) for Kapanen (and a 4th?), and then the Canucks sign Barrie in the off season. Also, trade (or do something with) Pearson, Sutter and Eriksson

 

Miller - Pettersson - Boeser

Virtanen - Horvat - Kapanen

Ferland - Gaudette - Leivo

Roussel - Beagle - Motte

Schaller

 

Edler - Barrie

Hughes - Myers

Benn - Stecher

Juolevi - Tryamkin

 

[N7Nucks]

On 11/21/2019 at 1:09 PM, Alflives said:

Loser Leafs would want Tanev and Beagle.  Those are two defensive specialists, who play hard minutes, and play the right way.  They are both seriously tough too.

They'd want to dump salary our way though, so I would expect Nylander and Barry as the two Loser Leafs coming our way.  

Toronto has made no effort to get better defensively and if that’s what they wanted they would have kept Babs. They probably value Goldy more than Beagle or Tanev. Lol.

[Odjick the Warrior]

I can’t see the Leafs and Canucks making a trade as they both are against the cap and Vancouver is not giving up Edler or Tanev and the Leafs don’t want to give up Kappenan or any of there other wingers that are on cheap contracts and Barrie isn’t as good as the pundits have made him out to be as the Leafs got hosed in trading Kadri for Barrie as look what Kadri is doing for the Avalanche and how he can shutdown another teams top player and is the guy you lean on in the playoffs. 

[teepain]

Barrie for sutter stetcher 2nd round

[Maninthebox]

Why do people assume that the Leafs want defensive players? If they wanted them, they would have bought them.

 

Dubas wants to run 3 scoring lines and cheap spare parts for the 4th/3rd pairing.

 

You're aware that they just fired the guy who has been asking for different players for a while now, yea? It may have been in the news lately...

[IBatch]

On 11/22/2019 at 11:40 PM, IjustNEEDaTROYgamble said:

I can’t see the Leafs and Canucks making a trade as they both are against the cap and Vancouver is not giving up Edler or Tanev and the Leafs don’t want to give up Kappenan or any of there other wingers that are on cheap contracts and Barrie isn’t as good as the pundits have made him out to be as the Leafs got hosed in trading Kadri for Barrie as look what Kadri is doing for the Avalanche and how he can shutdown another teams top player and is the guy you lean on in the playoffs. 

Think they were punishing him for getting a suspension last playoffs...can’t see Boston crawling back and winning that series if he was there to help their Centers and third line.   Kapanen and AJ are their best signings to date - both of them are great middle six players that can boost the top six anytime.  

 

Barrie is turning things around the past three games.  Scored a couple goals and being what he should be ( a very good PMD).   Gives the Laffs one more shot before cap hell makes things worse.  Not a chance they trade any of their cheap guys over the next three seasons...going to have to rely on deals like Perry in Dallas to keep the ball rolling until that cap goes over 100 million.   That’s what I’d do if I was Dubas.   Also see him paying to dump any journeyman that isn’t pulling his weight too - kind of like he did with Marleau...guys like Bear and Sutter on our team (Sutter only because he can’t stay healthy).