Popular Post -DLC- Posted December 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Zero contribution to the discussion here.... as usual. I'm gonna steal this now.... 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said: No...I supplied my source, now it's your turn. And you used the word "blocked"....which is escalating your stance and not reflective of what the truth is. So where is the reference to her "blocking" masks? I thought i made it clear that was not a good choice of words... I should have said Dr. B for 9 months has not supported mandatory masks... and she makes the policy that the BC government follows.... So technically not blocked... but it is her policey and she for 9 months did NOT make masks Mandatory.. I think you are reaching.... and no i did not see you post a link showig a study that shows Masks are not effective against covid... sorry but i did not see your link. Edited December 17, 2020 by kingofsurrey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: I thought i made it clear that was not a good choice of words... I should have said Dr. B for 9 months has not supported mandatory masks... and she makes the policy that the BC government follows.... So technically not blocked... but it is her policey and she for 9 months did NOT make masks Mandatory.. I think you are reaching.... and no i did not see you post a link showig a study that shows Masks are not effective against covid... sorry but i did not see your link. Quit while you're ahead. It's really getting to be overkill at this point and you're talking in circles now. I never said masks are not effective against COVID so why should I post a link? And if she did, that's up to you to provide the source of that. You're manipulating my words as well as hers. That doesn't make them true, it just makes them your words. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thedestroyerofworlds Posted December 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2020 Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine: Gandalf approved. 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, kingofsurrey said: I thought i made it clear that was not a good choice of words... I should have said Dr. B for 9 months has not supported mandatory masks... and she makes the policy that the BC government follows.... So technically not blocked... but it is her policey and she for 9 months did NOT make masks Mandatory.. I think you are reaching.... and no i did not see you post a link showig a study that shows Masks are not effective against covid... sorry but i did not see your link. For me it was creating legislation on the fly that was disturbing.. When you say something and then do the opposite. She was strongly opposed in the beginning and then changed her tune on the fly. Creating fines to already cash stripped Canadians is just the icing on the cake for me. Seems like a cash grab to me. Also there needs to be more peer reviewed research to suggest social distancing and mask wearing actually does something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warhippy Posted December 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: Dr. Henry from March to Nov 2020 has consistently not supported mandatory masks in BC. She has been upfront and requested, suggested/told people masks are in fact part of a multi layered line of defence against covid since about mid April. Show your work KoS as she never once blocked anything. As per her statement, mid April. We know that people want to do the right thing when they understand the reasons behind our thinking and have the tools they need to do what is asked of them. Mask use is important, and we need everyone to have the same understanding of our expectations. Wearing a mask will never eliminate all risks, but it is a significant part of the layers of protection that can help protect us, our loved ones and our community. Now more than ever, it is a measure we must all take. An order can never replace our personal commitment. We need to be responsible for our own actions - that is how we all pull together. I wear a mask, and I expect each of you who can to wear one too. https://globalnews.ca/news/7423664/coronavirus-bc-masks-in-public/ Her reiteration of that statement as per November https://bc.ctvnews.ca/dr-bonnie-henry-op-ed-why-b-c-doesn-t-have-a-universal-mask-mandate-1.5191721 Original statement as per April when the science was NOT in fact concrete There is growing interest and adoption of face masks in Western countries as infection rates in some Asian countries with longtime mask use appear to be slow and with a “flatter curve” than the exponential growth in infections seen in Europe and the United States. “This is something that we've been considering as well, knowing what's been going on around the world,” said provincial health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry when asked if she would endorse fabric or consumer-grade face masks. “They're not a medical mask, but they can keep your droplets in when you're out and about with others. What is not proven, is that they provide you any protection.” Edited December 17, 2020 by Warhippy 1 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, drummer4now said: For me it was creating legislation on the fly that was disturbing.. When you say something and then do the opposite. She was strongly opposed in the beginning and then changed her tune on the fly. Creating fines to already cash stripped Canadian IDIOTS is just the icing on the cake for me. Seems like a cash grab to me. Also there needs to be more peer reviewed research to suggest social distancing and mask wearing actually does something. Fify 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warhippy Posted December 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, drummer4now said: Also there needs to be more peer reviewed research to suggest social distancing and mask wearing actually does something. Wait what? How much actual evidence do you want or need? Because google is not just full of it, it is chalk full of it. So....what precise, exact minute detail do you need to see and from whom to actually understand that literally tens of thousands of reports, experts and tens of thousands of man hours of research all say it is effective. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post kingofsurrey Posted December 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 93 in the ICU is a record i believe... Not the kind of record we want .... my mom had a severe medical incident on Saturday.. stroke.... 4 broken ribs... collapsed lung... . lung just got drained today. Hoping she hangs on and recovers... I can not see her... Lost my mother in law earlier in covid spring....out of province... still no funeral....... Lost my dad a year ago.... Covid sucks. Edited December 17, 2020 by kingofsurrey 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sean Monahan Posted December 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, drummer4now said: For me it was creating legislation on the fly that was disturbing.. When you say something and then do the opposite. She was strongly opposed in the beginning and then changed her tune on the fly. Creating fines to already cash stripped Canadians is just the icing on the cake for me. Seems like a cash grab to me. Also there needs to be more peer reviewed research to suggest social distancing and mask wearing actually does something. How would social distancing not work? Are people transmitting the virus telepathically ? If so, we’re f***ed anyway. Edited December 18, 2020 by Sean Monahan 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 24 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: That number does appear to not be climbing as much which does suggest that the restrictions have worked or are working to flatten it. The next 3-4 weeks is critical really. But modelling towards people being as inherently selfish as they've always been still suggests we'll see a large spike in the 1st and 2nd weeks of January 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 86Viking Posted December 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2020 3 hours ago, debluvscanucks said: This is getting to be misinformation now. I'd like you to quote where masks were BLOCKED for 9 months? Or in schools? This is from early April: https://biv.com/article/2020/04/op-ed-non-medical-cloth-masks-are-your-choice-during-covid-19 She gives reasons why the initial reaction to masks was what it was: mostly, to reserve them for those who needed them most. We saw how crazed people hoarded so that was going to become problematic if masks became part of that. People selling them in parking lots rather than them being available on the front lines. It was a means to protect the supply and, by way of that, those who protect US. Also...some people DO feel that masks allow them to drop their guard. They tend to fiddle with them, creating more harm than good. Nowhere does it say they were "blocked"...what does that even mean? give cdc an early christmas present and put KoS on a timeout till 2021...pretty please Deb!? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said: give cdc an early christmas present and put KoS on a timeout till 2021...pretty please Deb!? You are from K-town... why am i not surprised... Do you work at a ski hill ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 hour ago, drummer4now said: For me it was creating legislation on the fly that was disturbing.. When you say something and then do the opposite. She was strongly opposed in the beginning and then changed her tune on the fly. Creating fines to already cash stripped Canadians is just the icing on the cake for me. Seems like a cash grab to me. Also there needs to be more peer reviewed research to suggest social distancing and mask wearing actually does something. This pandemic is an on the fly deal though. It's not like you can prepare for it and yes, things did change over time as more was learned. It's nothing sinister...it's just the complications of a "novel coronavirus" that was unknown and required time to learn about. There are so many complex intricacies about this virus and the way it presents, as well as the differences in how it plays out. They're still learning on the fly. As well, how people reacted determined some of the actions. They tried the gentle approach and to "reason" with people. Sadly, some refuse to do what's needed and so that's when fines and other measures were put into place. A cash grab but if you're complying and not putting others at risk, they can't grab your cash. So it's about choices and personal responsibility. Don't want to pay a fine? Follow the order until we're out of the woods. The proof's out there and there really wasn't time to study and review something that's spreading like wildfire and killing people in its wake. It's like the Fire Department getting a call about a five alarm fire...they grab their equipment and go. They don't stop to analyze if maybe they can get better hoses during the emergency. They head to the front line and battle things and when the fire's out, then they'll likely review what worked/didn't. Try everything. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: You are from K-town... why am i not surprised... Do you work at a ski hill ? 2 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: Zero contribution to the discussion here.... as usual. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said: This pandemic is an on the fly deal though. It's not like you can prepare for it and yes, things did change over time as more was learned. It's nothing sinister...it's just the complications of a "novel coronavirus" that was unknown and required time to learn about. There are so many complex intricacies about this virus and the way it presents, as well as the differences in how it plays out. They're still learning on the fly. I wish i could believe BC politicians like others here do..... ........ but i can't..... "targeted testing in high-risk schools has found high levels of the virus. While many children may be asymptomatic, they are spreading the virus to others in the community who are getting sick, sometimes critically" ~ Ontario Medical Association https://www.oma.org/section/news-&-events/ontarios-doctors-call-for-wider-lockdown-to-stop-spread-of-covid-over-holidays?type=news_items Edited December 18, 2020 by kingofsurrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 56 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: You are from K-town... why am i not surprised... Do you work at a ski hill ? Wow KOS judgemental? I live in K-town. 99% of the population here do not work at ski hills and we only have the one local ski hill, Big White. They have been practicing very good measures regarding COVID with limited numbers, distancing and masking. Plus the lodge and restaurant not open, bring your lunch or go hungry. I don't really know where you are going with that? As a city of aprox 150,000 we have a much smaller amount of cases compared to the FV Regional Health District. Please explain that comment if you will? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, CaptKirk888 said: Wow KOS judgemental? I live in K-town. 99% of the population here do not work at ski hills and we only have the one local ski hill, Big White. They have been practicing very good measures regarding COVID with limited numbers, distancing and masking. Plus the lodge and restaurant not open, bring your lunch or go hungry. I don't really know where you are going with that? As a city of aprox 150,000 we have a much smaller amount of cases compared to the FV Regional Health District. Please explain that comment if you will? No problem with Kelowna.. looks like a great place to live... The previous poster Canuckster.... though was pretty rude to me... KELOWNA — Big White Ski Resort has fired “a number” of staff after a cluster of 60 cases of COVID-19 was discovered earlier this week. Big White ski resort in Kelowna fires staff after spread of COVID-19 https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/big-white-ski-resort-in-kelowna-fires-staff-after-spread-of-covid-19 Edited December 18, 2020 by kingofsurrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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