Lancaster Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 3 hours ago, bishopshodan said: So, 3 of the 4 family members are just experiencing a 'bad cold'. However 1 is struggling, bedridden, fevers coming and going. It is still flu season and the cold is still around. That being said, now is not the time to be a hero and to tough things out. Get the very ill one to the hospital or whatever for a quick test. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) On 2/24/2021 at 7:19 PM, 4petesake said: Yes as well as people who normally wear eyeglasses tend to touch their eyes less. Not so sure if that’s true though speaking as a person who wears reading glasses and rubs his eyes a lot. I've worn glasses for most of my life. I can't really speak for people who don't wear glasses at all, but I tend to rub my eyes when needed and never really think like there's glasses stopping me from doing so. My guess would be it's mostly shielding really. But who knows. I'm just one person and other people could be different. Edited February 26, 2021 by The Lock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Lancaster said: It is still flu season and the cold is still around. That being said, now is not the time to be a hero and to tough things out. Get the very ill one to the hospital or whatever for a quick test. We will he is the oldest of the 4 with Covid (already had the tests). In his mid 50's but he is in very good physical shape. Edited February 26, 2021 by bishopshodan 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: So the good the new case number is dropping to 395. The bad is 10 new deaths. 1,348 total deaths in BC. 78,673 total cases. Give you an idea of perspective. Miami-Dade County alone: 405,562 total cases and 5,353 deaths. https://www.covid-19canada.com/ US 520,980 deaths 23.79 times our deaths Canada 21,893 deaths The U.S is about 9 times our population 331,002,651 or 8.77 times Canada 37,742,154 The vaccine roll out is going better in the states, but that is the only thing they have done better, while fighting with covid. Edit to add Current cases US 9,101,432 297.8 times the current cases of Canada Canada 30,561 Edited February 26, 2021 by gurn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedestroyerofworlds Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/astrazeneca-approved-1.5929050 Health Canada approves AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine Canada's regulator estimates vaccine's efficacy at 62.1% 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 1 hour ago, gurn said: https://www.covid-19canada.com/ US 520,980 deaths 23.79 times our deaths Canada 21,893 deaths The U.S is about 9 times our population 331,002,651 or 8.77 times Canada 37,742,154 The vaccine roll out is going better in the states, but that is the only thing they have done better, while fighting with covid. Edit to add Current cases US 9,101,432 297.8 times the current cases of Canada Canada 30,561 Before Canadians start patting themselves on the back.... the US also tested more per capita than Canada. The US is approximately has 106% of the population tested (most likely lots of people being tested multiple times).... whereas Canada is currently at 63%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:COVID-19_testing_by_country A million different reasons for stark differences in numbers though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) Something about claiming solace in a year where many people's livelihood/health/life have been destroyed doesn't sit well with me. But atleast we know more about earthquakes ! Edited February 27, 2021 by Smashian Kassian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Silent Man Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 46 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said: +194 from yesterday? Not good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 7 hours ago, thedestroyerofworlds said: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/astrazeneca-approved-1.5929050 Health Canada approves AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine Canada's regulator estimates vaccine's efficacy at 62.1% The question is would you choose Astra over Pfizer and Moderna which has efficiency of over 90% compared to Astra's 62%? Especially when some reports say it is not very effective against new variants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedestroyerofworlds Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 minute ago, DonLever said: The question is would you choose Astra over Pfizer and Moderna which has efficiency of over 90% compared to Astra's 62%? Especially when some reports say it is not very effective against new variants. I'm in for Pfizer or Moderna. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 14 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said: I'm in for Pfizer or Moderna. According to the news tonight, front line workers who want a vaccine earlier than the planned vaccination rollout will get the Astra Zeneca, not the others. You don't get a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedestroyerofworlds Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 47 minutes ago, DonLever said: According to the news tonight, front line workers who want a vaccine earlier than the planned vaccination rollout will get the Astra Zeneca, not the others. You don't get a choice. I'll wait then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnkNuk Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 3 hours ago, DonLever said: The question is would you choose Astra over Pfizer and Moderna which has efficiency of over 90% compared to Astra's 62%? Especially when some reports say it is not very effective against new variants. Wonder what would happen if you got, say, the AstraZeneca shots and then, a few months later, got the Pfizer shots. Would you get a boost in immunity that was higher than the efficacy of either? Would you simply get the efficiency of the highest rated vaccine? Would you turn into a werewolf? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 22 minutes ago, UnkNuk said: Wonder what would happen if you got, say, the AstraZeneca shots and then, a few months later, got the Pfizer shots. Would you get a boost in immunity that was higher than the efficacy of either? Would you simply get the efficiency of the highest rated vaccine? Would you turn into a werewolf? Definitely turn into a werewolf with the added bonus of boosted immunity to COVID (unless either vaccine has silver in it, then you're screwed). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNeil Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 3 hours ago, DonLever said: The question is would you choose Astra over Pfizer and Moderna which has efficiency of over 90% compared to Astra's 62%? Especially when some reports say it is not very effective against new variants. https://www.ft.com/content/20576254-422b-4545-91ab-20b4d005bbf3 It's still a very effective vaccine at preventing death and hospitalizations. This study found that 3 weeks after the first shot of PFE, there was an 85% reduction in hospitalizations. 3 weeks after the first shot of OAZ, there was a 94% reduction in hospitalizations. I would be fine with taking it. It could speed up Trudeau's September timeline for all adults done, by a couple months. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 2 hours ago, thedestroyerofworlds said: I'll wait then. Same. Given the fact I'd want the good vaccine after, I'm just wasting a spot that would be taken by someone who's fine with the risk of the Astra. Would much prefer to keep doing what I'm doing for a couple more months if it means getting something that actually works properly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biasbieksa Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) The important thing to note about all these vaccines. J and J included is that some weeks after getting them, your chance of being hospitalized or killed by COVID is essentially 0. The 62% is referring to the fact that you have a reduced chance at getting COVID, which is great, but you won't die from it, or get really sick. With Astrazeneca now available, that means that the restrictions will be lifted sooner and less people will die / get really sick. I would gladly take J and J or Astrazeneca if offered to me and would be very happy if offered to my family and friends too. Edited February 27, 2021 by Biasbieksa 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 9 hours ago, UnkNuk said: Wonder what would happen if you got, say, the AstraZeneca shots and then, a few months later, got the Pfizer shots. Would you get a boost in immunity that was higher than the efficacy of either? Would you simply get the efficiency of the highest rated vaccine? Would you turn into a werewolf? Mixed brand scheduling is being studied in UK now. It will likely be fine since they are all designed to mount immunity to the same spike protein, but we will have to wait and see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jaimito Posted February 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, DonLever said: The question is would you choose Astra over Pfizer and Moderna which has efficiency of over 90% compared to Astra's 62%? Especially when some reports say it is not very effective against new variants. The headline number can be a bit misleading because they have to report the combined efficacy that was done in the trial, which had two different booster intervals. The trials had some boosters at 4 wks apart, some at 12 weeks. Efficacy is 81% when booster given at 12 weeks, the way it is done in UK. "In the participants who received two standard doses, after the second dose, efficacy was higher in those with a longer prime-boost interval (vaccine efficacy 81·3% [95% CI 60·3–91·2] at ≥12 weeks) than in those with a short interval (vaccine efficacy 55·1% [33·0–69·9] at <6 weeks). " No hospitalization or deaths in the trial among the vaccinated group. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00432-3/fulltext Health Canada said they approved it as a two dose vaccine, and you can get the second dose dose between 4-12 weeks. My feeling is that if my parents got it (they are 70+), they should do the booster later rather than early. As for EU counties not recommending to 65+, they based it on early trial data that did not have enough participants over 65 (less than 10%). It wasn't because it was shown to be ineffective or that it was unsafe for elderly. However, recent real world data gathered in Scotland and elsewhere are very positive. They examined hospitalization rates among more than 1.1 million Scots who received one shot of either vaccine (AstraZeneca or Pfizer) between Dec. 8 and Feb. 15. Majority are older than 65+, show decreased hospitalization 4 wks after single dose vaccination, AZ vaccine reduced hospitalization by 94%, better than single dose Pfizer at 85%. Yes, single dose AstraZeneca was better than Pfizer single dose at 4 wks (this applies to Canada since the current schedule is 6 weeks in many provinces for Pfizer). Preprint research paper, pending peer review : https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3789264 Easier to understand lay media: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-pfizer-biontech-and-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccines-very-effective-after/ And lastly regarding the variants. The UK variant is dominant in UK and the vaccine worked well there. The UK variant is projected to be dominant in Canada and US in the coming months. That is why you should not worry about it not working. As for the reported South African variant, the trial data there was a phase 1/2, small about 2000 people, generally young and healthy ages 18-65, median 31. They only looked at mild to moderate covid. The vaccine was only 21% effective at preventing mild to moderate covid. No one got severe covid, hospitalized or died. "Protection against moderate-severe disease, hospitalization or death could not be assessed in this study as the target population was at low risk." The SA variant is not wide spread in NA and may not become one anyway. Across all vaccines (Pfizer, moderna, JJ, Novavex, AZ) the effect on this variant are all reduced in lab tests. However, all the existing trials that did look at the disease show no deaths or hospitalization. More study is needed. But my advice is don't let let this variant stop you from taking any vaccines. The quicker people are vaccinated, the lower the chance of new variants developing. Getting protected or having some immunity towards Covid is much better than nothing. Nothing is what we have seen so far. The higher risk group get sicker, flood the hospitals and some die. Look at the US. 500,000+ dead in one year, more than WWI, WWII and Vietnam War combined. Those are real world facts. A naive population without immunity to a new virus, and many refusing to follow public health recommendations. The aim of vaccination is to reduce hospitalization and death, not prevent sniffles or mild fever. That is why we should all get vaccinated as soon as possible. Waiting to get the vaccine you like isn't helpful, and for some people it may be riskier since they can get infected while they wait longer and get seriously ill or die. As mentioned earlier, research is ongoing looking at mixing vaccines in UK. Taking one type of vaccine doesn't mean you can't get another type in the future. As we get more info on what sort of immunity we need to be more protected against variants, we may need a third shot / booster a yr from now. One of the things research is looking at is high levels of neutralizing antibodies. Some variants may decrease that level by factor of 2-3 fold. But a third booster may increase it by 10-20x (Pfizer CEO comments), so any variants will not escape vaccine immunity. Also, T cell immunity is critical and that is not measured by antibodies. There may be new breakthroughs like highly effective anti viral drugs too. Not everything is vaccine in this war against covid. My parents are 70+, and I will encourage them to take the first vaccine they are offered in BC and not wait. All these vaccines have shown to prevent serious disease and death. That is what matters. This interview with the one of the creator of AZ at Oxford provides some clarification and info. Edited February 27, 2021 by Jaimito 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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