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so this is on the WHO webpage

i copied and pasted it

 

The coronavirus COVID-19 is affecting 206 countries and territories around the world and 2 international conveyances. The day is reset after midnight GMT+0.

 

and it is 6:30 pm now

and i see again

the 24 hour clock changed early

 

 

why? why? why?

what is the point of this

there is some hidden agenda there

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1 hour ago, BPA said:

CANADA WILL NEVER LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN: Ford says manufacturing of our own supplies is a must

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/torontosun.com/news/national/canada-will-never-let-this-happen-again-ford-says-manufacturing-of-our-own-supplies-is-a-must/amp

 

 

I must say...despite all the other stuff...he's taking charge.

 

I always felt Canada needs to bring back manufacturing.  This is a step in the right direction. 

3M needs to make a plant in Canada now, hope the government pushes for it.  And why not?  We are shipping pulp down to them, it would be litterally way closer to have a plant in the lowermainland/ fraser valley and then you don't have to rely on other countries in the future for masks.

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6 hours ago, Boudrias said:

If memory serves the annual death rate in the USA is about 1.5%. 

To date the death rate has not exceeded the normal death rate during a regular flu season. 

The question might be whether it would be worse if these extraordinary precautions hadn't been taken? You would have to think so.  

that is a nasty unintended consequence of distancing ?

that we have avoided normal death rates from the regular flu ?

and so have stressed world population numbers ?

 

darn

i'm feeling i should be upset that more people then usual

made it through flu season

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13 minutes ago, Russ said:

3M needs to make a plant in Canada now, hope the government pushes for it.  And why not?  We are shipping pulp down to them, it would be litterally way closer to have a plant in the lowermainland/ fraser valley and then you don't have to rely on other countries in the future for masks.

Screw that! If we're moving to a protectionist world I want that plant kept on the Island for us hippies rather than on the Mainland for you yuppies! 

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5 hours ago, riffraff said:

Um.  Well I have no qualifications.

 

i guess that’s why I made my statement and then supported said statement with countless scientific references and direct quotes made by those who are qualified.

 

so I’ll just assume you haven’t bothered to read any of it.

 

do you even read?

 

if you don’t I have also posted a video with Dr. bahkdi. I’d say he is qualified.

 

 

i am curious why you keep repeating

this thinly supported view point

you have not responded to a previous post i made about this

as i suspect you cannot

 

please explain the current success in bc

of managing the virus infection spread

the bc strategy is noteworthy

since few other countries are in the same range of success

 

how do you account for this ?

 

they have based their strategy on science

the whole spectrum of reliable science relevant to this issue

not the cherry picking approach you engage in

 

 

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1 hour ago, Down by the River said:

Oh FFS. They do not mean "nothing" and even the sources you posted didn't say this. There is a limitation between nothing and something. 

 

The worst thing about you posting your cute blog posts is that you seem to not be intelligent enough to understand them. 

You pick on a word?  One word?  That’s it?

 

chill out DBTR.  How many times do I have to say the words:

 

inconclusive, unsubstantial, incomplete, diluted,

 

before you see them?

 

so much more anger in here than I expected.

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4 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

I'm REALLY fearful that people will grab a low number and run with it.  That it's a bit of a false representation as it's only within a group being tested...and most are not being tested.

 

So "confirmed cases" only goes as far as a limited number having access to a test.  That the massive number of people walking around with it  is scary and should be considered.

 

No celebrating or letting up...but a 29 new cases won't deter those who are looking for excuses to let the guard down.

this reporting cycle was less then 24 hours

and noteworthy as well that all 3 hours missing from the 24 hour cycle

were critical 3 business hours...

i'd suspect many places process and report the previous day's data the morning after

so when the update takes place at noon

that really shortens up the time available to get that data out early enough

so it can be included in time for the update

 

so i just accept that number is low

for  valid reasons that really have little to do with flattening the curve

 

(kinda how WHO regularly appears to manage better daily numbers

by stopping the 24 hour clock earlier on days recently)

 

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6 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

i am curious why you keep repeating

this thinly supported view points

you have not responded to a previous post i made about this

as i suspect you cannot

 

please explain the current success in bc

of managing the virus infection spread

the bc strategy is noteworthy

since few other countries are in the same range of success

 

how do you account for this ?

 

they have bases their strategy on science

the whole spectrum of reliable science relevant to this issue

not the cherry picking approach you engage in

 

 

Why should I think that any success is due to the gvt?  Have they even claimed a success?

 

I think we should be cautious in what we think defines a success until if and when this is over and what that life will be like.

 

That’s a ridiculous question imo.

 

sorry.

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17 minutes ago, riffraff said:

Why should I think that any success is due to the gvt?  Have they even claimed a success?

 

I think we should be cautious in what we think defines a success until if and when this is over and what that life will be like.

 

That’s a ridiculous question imo.

 

sorry.

so you are going to just insist on sticking to your narrative

based on your opinion

with limited critical thinking

 

do you know how experts earn that title

by mastering the entire field of their expertise

and subjecting their views to peer review

which hones the body of knowledge in a given area

 

posting views of a so called expert you have found online

as being definitive in your view of what is most important in a field of knoweledge

is silly as you have no way of knowing if these views have been tested at all

but you are content to uncritically just adopt these cherry picked tidbits you find online

and then stand firmly behind them

knowing no one on here has the expertise to adequately contextualize this information

or knowledgeably critique them

 

i warned against doing this a couple of weeks or more ago

almost no one on here is capable of knowledgeably assessing information about this virus online

in a sufficient manner to refute what local authorities are telling us

it is important to select and remain informed from a few reliable sources

i accept that our local authorities are experts

are knowledgeable about the entire field in which they have expertise

and as part of their professional requirements

continually review emerging theories and other relevant information in their field

if some online has valuable information

our experts would have reviewed it and incorporated it

 

it is foolish to somewhat randomly pick online sources

and then stand behind them on the basis that they hold out some sort of :"truth"

you are randomly guessing this is the case, you do not really know

i think it is an unwise approach to use information in this fashion during a time of crisis

 

trump regularly does this

and he gains no respect for doing so

 

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7 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

This is absolutely shocking!  Our Government is lying to us if this is the case.  "Doing everything to protect Canadians"?  It seems not if this is true.

I don’t think it’s necessarily as black and white as this.

 

Perhaps someone else is bending the rules or cheating the system. 
 

The Government is there to increasingly but incrementally close down and enforce.

 

It cannot just $&!# down on a dime.

 

But this should be reported and taken seriously. 

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@riffraff I just want to mention for the record, I appreciate you posting a lot of this information. I’m no contrarian and god knows there are millions more knowledgeable than I am on this subject. But, I always appreciate hearing opinions and facts from all angles. I have taught my kids to question everything and not accept everything you hear or read, unequivocally, no matter the source. I just have to think back to when my kids were born - kid 1, all experts indicated babies must sleep on their stomachs. Kid 2 - no sleeping on stomachs they said, must be on their backs... kid 3 - said experts now say sleeping on the side is the way to go. Things change, data is collected, opinions and methods change. I suspect this will not be that different. We are all learning and the experts are doing what the think is right given the info they have.   I have no doubt we will beat this, and that it is going to be an ever changing road. But we’ll get there. 

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2 hours ago, coastal.view said:

this reporting cycle was less then 24 hours

and noteworthy as well that all 3 hours missing from the 24 hour cycle

were critical 3 business hours...

i'd suspect many places process and report the previous day's data the morning after

so when the update takes place at noon

that really shortens up the time available to get that data out early enough

so it can be included in time for the update

 

so i just accept that number is low

for  valid reasons that really have little to do with flattening the curve

 

(kinda how WHO regularly appears to manage better daily numbers

by stopping the 24 hour clock earlier on days recently)

 

I got my mask today.

The narrative must be turned toward the “me”.

 

If I sneeze, the winds I create projectiles “aerosol” up to 20 feet and it lasts for hours on our plastic world. Everyone breathing gets infected and everyone touching things is at risk.
 

So if EVERYONE wears a mask, then the risk of spread closes down to almost 0% chance. Then you can open the country and run around.

 

But if one person not wearing a mask coughs amongst people, the chances drastically goes up for everyone and a new line of Covid-19 develops.


Basically it’s not that “YOU” may be sick.

It’s that “I” may be sick.

 

If taken that way, you wear a mask in public because you know you’re now going to infect others. 
 

A new instinctual, cultural thought ought to develop:

 

”Rumour of pandemic? Wear a mask.”
 

But western society abandon the stigmas of mask-wearing folks?

 

We must.

 

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