dontaylorforprez Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 How come it’s a PTO, why can’t they just sign him? Is it our cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, dontaylorforprez said: How come it’s a PTO, why can’t they just sign him? Is it our cap? Have to wait until season starts to put Ferland on LTIR, then sign him. Same thing the Blues are doing with Hoffman. Edited January 3, 2021 by aGENT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Ferland on LTIR isn't a lock. We all think so but Benning can't make that assumption. Good job Jim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBossy Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 36 minutes ago, falcon45ca said: Hamonic? I thought Gudbranson broke his face...real gud. You have to give it to Travis though - he stuck up for a team mate - something we need more of this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: Ferland on LTIR isn't a lock. We all think so but Benning can't make that assumption. Good job Jim. He won't be at training camp. He's in Manitoba until he feels right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontaylorforprez Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 19 minutes ago, aGENT said: Have to wait until season starts to put Ferland on LTIR, then sign him. Same thing the Blues are doing with Hoffman. Thanks for clairifying!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldnews Posted January 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2021 Hard to argue with a PTO for Hamonic. Was the lead Flames penalty killer last year/ over 3 minutes/game (something this team needs in the absence of Tanev). Played the hardest minutes / had the lowest ozone starts on the Lames blueline 5 on 5 as well. Over 21 minutes a night was second only to Giordano. Played the vast majority of his even strength ice time with Hanifin - who did not have a great year himself. The pk may not be quite as effective as it was with Tanev, however, the team does have a wealth of very good penalty killing forwards to complement, and particularly a pair of very good defensive bottom six centers - my guess is that Hamonic will like playing with Beagle, Sutter, Motte types.... And Hamonic doesn't really have to fill Tanev's skates here - he can play slightly more limited minutes as a third pairing partner for Juolevi while filling out additional minutes on special teams. I like Stecher a lot - but as a fit for a rookie partner, perhaps Hamonic is the better option in this context. He may not be the player he was in 2015 - but you don't get 2015 Hamonic on a PTO - and you never know with guys like this - he's probably never going to be as physical a presence as he was, but he'll probably remain relatively solid/reliable - and the offensive side of his game has fluctuated - he may or may not make a better fit here than in Calgary (whose bottom six was arguably not as solid defensively as the Canucks'. Nice to get one of Vatanen, Hainsey, Hamonic though - the veteran shutdown and penalty killing depth was needed while integrating both Hughes and Juolevi into the lineup. As "third pairing" D any of these guys are really great additions that can handle hard minutes and far more than typical '3rd pairing' (that term is more and more obsolete in the 'modern' NHL). 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: Ferland on LTIR isn't a lock. We all think so but Benning can't make that assumption. Good job Jim. He's not going to be at camp and is reportedly still having symptoms. I think it's a pretty safe bet. I hope he takes the whole year off, gets loads of treatment (like Crosby) and maybe see how he's doing come playoff time (at the earliest!) when there's no cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 34 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: I think you're right about everything but that part, I don't think he see's much if any PP time, unless the plan is to not have Edler on PP2. I think Greens comments about having another guy that can help close out games is what the coaching staff is most excited about. Maybe so Jimmy. Eddie has the better offensive upside for sure. I'm just not sure if his point shot is as accurate as Travis'. At least he will be and alternative, if need be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rekker Posted January 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2021 I'm not sure what's not to like about this. Our right side depth was weak. Edler, who I'm a big fan of, was our most physical dman in the playoffs last year. He can't do it alone and I'm sure he's smiling about this signing. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post theo5789 Posted January 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, rekker said: I'm not sure what's not to like about this. Our right side depth was weak. Edler, who I'm a big fan of, was our most physical dman in the playoffs last year. He can't do it alone and I'm sure he's smiling about this signing. Myers? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 4 veterans that can handle "top 4" (20+ minutes a night) and two young guys that are top 4 talents. Lots of talent, good versatility and depth - a nice mix that Benning, Green et al have built. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, aGENT said: He's not going to be at camp and is reportedly still having symptoms. I think it's a pretty safe bet. I hope he takes the whole year off, gets loads of treatment (like Crosby) and maybe see how he's doing come playoff time (at the earliest!) when there's no cap. Ferland came back when nobody thought he should before. If Benning had Hamonic signed and Ferland came back, he should be fired. It would put him in a terrible and unforgivable place. We all know how tough this is on Ferland to make this decision. He's giving up on his hopes and dreams since he was a little kid. He has had a decent NHL career. 335 games may be short but it ain't no cup of coffee. He should effectively retire, ride out his contract on LTIR and collect the money. It's definitely the right call for him and his family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reyezone Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: Ferland came back when nobody thought he should before. If Benning had Hamonic signed and Ferland came back, he should be fired. It would put him in a terrible and unforgivable place. We all know how tough this is on Ferland to make this decision. He's giving up on his hopes and dreams since he was a little kid. He has had a decent NHL career. 335 games may be short but it ain't no cup of coffee. He should effectively retire, ride out his contract on LTIR and collect the money. It's definitely the right call for him and his family I keep hearing mentioned that Ferland’s contract is not insured. I am not exactly sure what that means. Maybe he wouldn’t collect the rest of his contract on LTIR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, reyezone said: I keep hearing mentioned that Ferland’s contract is not insured. I am not exactly sure what that means. Maybe he wouldn’t collect the rest of his contract on LTIR? I imagine that he would still collect, but the team would need to pay it out of their pockets, rather than having an insurance company pay it. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, reyezone said: I keep hearing mentioned that Ferland’s contract is not insured. I am not exactly sure what that means. Maybe he wouldn’t collect the rest of his contract on LTIR? Means the owner still has to pay him rather than it being covered by insurance. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 I mean, we have to get someone back from Calgary taking our players! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, 70seven said: Fully agree. Brought to you by our friends at Microsoft 100% This post may or may not be supported by Apple Edited January 3, 2021 by canuck73_3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 23 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: Ferland came back when nobody thought he should before. If Benning had Hamonic signed and Ferland came back, he should be fired. It would put him in a terrible and unforgivable place. We all know how tough this is on Ferland to make this decision. He's giving up on his hopes and dreams since he was a little kid. He has had a decent NHL career. 335 games may be short but it ain't no cup of coffee. He should effectively retire, ride out his contract on LTIR and collect the money. It's definitely the right call for him and his family He doesn't need to "retire" now, he could sit out the year to recover and see how he feels come playoffs. Then the next year, go from there. Just take it slowly and if he really cannot return, then he can decide to LTIRetire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Provost said: Folks should also keep their expectations reasonable. We aren't getting Willie Mitchell in his prime. We are getting a (high end) 3rd pairing guy who can easily play in the top 4 in case of injury. He has played more than 20 minutes a night every year... but maybe that is the issue with him declining in play, might just be too much at this point. A big upgrade on Benn. Hamonic is a downgrade from Tanev, but the contract cap hit and term matter a lot. Who knows, things could go really well as he becomes a legit top 4D again and partners with Hughes... but don't expect that as a realistic hope. Hamonic doesn’t have to be an upgrade on Tanev, Schmidt was. Hamonic is the upgrade on Stecher. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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