iceman64 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 15 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said: Unfortunately yes - REALLY. Just check the stats on NHL.COM. So Sad too ! That is so not what I meant... however it doesn't surprise me you don't "get it" 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Buzzsaw* Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 17 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said: A sad stat , but with no one (Tanev) left to cover Quinn's A$$ when he's out of position when he's caught up ice or bumbling the puck, he's now fallen to the very worst and last +/- position in the entire National Hockey league at Minus -13 (Tied with Guess who....Gudbranson) with ALL 252 defenseman and ALL 743 other players in the entire league with a better +/- than him. Does JB or TG share any blame for this very sad situation???? What's with the hate for Hughes? You need to realize offensive talent like his does not grow on trees. He is a critical part of this team. The actual problem is the rest of the D-lineup.... Benning has not kept, (Tanev) or acquired the solid defensive D-men who are needed to complement Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Surely there must be some insightful suggestions as to to what to do about QH or is this thread just about crapping all over Quinn ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 8 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: I find it funny that some are really upset by this, but RU SERIOUS, I agree. Bang on. Everyone so focused on Quinn's elite edge work lol, but he makes so many defensive mistakes, I can't keep count. Having Tanev as a partner last year was great for Hughes, it allowed him to be great what what he does, but now paired with Benn? That's not good. Benning did sign Hamonic, but that's gotten off to a very rough start. Bad luck there. Quinn needs to either learn and play better D, or be paired with a player who has his back. I blame the D coach (Baurmgartner), probably scared to try and teach Quinn anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 hour ago, *Buzzsaw* said: What's with the hate for Hughes? You need to realize offensive talent like his does not grow on trees. He is a critical part of this team. The actual problem is the rest of the D-lineup.... Benning has not kept, (Tanev) or acquired the solid defensive D-men who are needed to complement Hughes. He did actually. He just hadn't played in nearly a year, then the one 'preseason' practice he was scheduled for got cancelled (thanks again covid) and then he was promptly (and unsurprisingly) injured. We desperately need him back and up to speed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post apollo Posted February 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2021 Canucks fans for 50 years: We need franchise dman!!!!! 2018... Jim Benning drafts Quinn Hughes... nope not 1st overall. Not 2nd or 3rd either... 7th! The year is 2021... Quinn Hughes leads the Canucks in points ... was part of team that was 1 game away from the west final... was part of the team that ELIMINATED the reigning cup champs.... Hmmmm lets complain! This is the most glorious time to be a Canucks fan. If you're not entertained then you're taking it too seriously imo... if they stinking it up like first two games vs tarrana you have a right to stop watching and just go get some fresh air 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Toyotasfan said: Surely there must be some insightful suggestions as to to what to do about QH or is this thread just about crapping all over Quinn ? I don't think thread was meant as crapping over him We all know about his points Surely playing defense is of SOME concern? If not, then why not load up on highly skilled forwards and play them at defense, plus they will be so easy to rotate them into any position No one should be upset with the truth being pointed out for discussion Whether it's his Defensive side, his partner, the system, the coaches deployment, it is what it is and why not discuss that side of being a defensemans responsibility too? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 hour ago, ba;;isticsports said: I don't think thread was meant as crapping over him We all know about his points Surely playing defense is of SOME concern? If not, then why not load up on highly skilled forwards and play them at defense, plus they will be so easy to rotate them into any position No one should be upset with the truth being pointed out for discussion Whether it's his Defensive side, his partner, the system, the coaches deployment, it is what it is and why not discuss that side of being a defensemans responsibility too? Hughes will be OK , I’m not worried. One day Hughes will easily be the best Canucks defenceman of all time . Losing Tanev was a huge blow , but someone will gel as QH’s partner eventually. Just think if Paul Coffey had to be partnered with a Jordie Benn or a rookie instead of Charlie Huddy, it might have rewrote the record books. You need to use a few more emojis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duodenum Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 10 hours ago, kanucks25 said: Myers is not an option to be Hughes' safety net, at least not a good one. Myers himself needs a safety net. I would however give Hughes - Schmidt an extended look at playing like 25 mins a game. Even if it starts out shaky, stick with it and see what they can do. I'm seeing a lot of people penciling in Tryamkin into their lineup, even in top-4 roles. I'd like to take more of a wait and see approach on this one. Try and Pod coming over together would be nice, though. Hughes-Schmidt is too obvious not to try. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 15 hours ago, Duodenum said: Hughes-Schmidt is too obvious not to try. That combo is worthy of a second look. Hope we see TG make some adjustments tonight to the D-Lines. It certainly wouldn't hurt ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutesi Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 There's not a team in this league that wouldn't want Hughes. We're lucky we have him. He's still finding his way in this league and he's going to be an all-star for years. Play him with a stay at home defenseman. On offence he's doing things most defenseman in this league will never do. Support him and enjoy his high-end talent. Benning made a great draft, now he needs to back up his draft's development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanlet Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 I feel the need to post this stats snapshot from a couple year ago. I'm sure it doesn't really apply though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted February 14, 2021 Author Share Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) Great news after Saturday nights Calgary game with Quinn getting a goal, he's now moved up from being tied for worst +/- player in the entire league to 3rd worst +/- player at minus -12, with only 747 players with a better rating ahead of him but he's still tied with Good 'ol Gudbranson as the worst +/- defenseman in the entire National Hockey League with ALL 252 other defenseman having a better +/- than him. Things are starting to look up ! Edited February 14, 2021 by RU SERIOUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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oldnews Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Who cares? He's been playing with uber-rusty Hamonic, and then the 8th man (not a shot at Benn, he's been ok), but the circumstances are less than ideal = is an understatement. Hughes has made some mistakes this year - no doubt - but overall it has been a team/unit symptom - it's not merely him trying to do too much carrying the puck in high risk situations in the dzone, or trying to force stretch passes that aren't necessarily there - but as Cassie described last night - it's been a lack of playing as a unit that has caused most of their problems - forwards blowing the zone prematurely, not taking care of exits and supporting the puck - that has also left Hughes a bit exposed at times. And defensively, he's also struggled at times, but with the volume of minutes he plays, his workload, and a struggling top 6 that hasn't been particularly mindful without the puck (with the exceptions of Hoglander and Boeser imo) - there's room for improvement in lots of areas. For me the majority of the errors this season have been of this nature - giveaways in high danger areas - that can't effectively be defended - a fixable tendency that particularly the young forwards trying to 'cheat' the game, can correct. He's been frustrated and things aren't coming as easily for him thus far - and as expected he's not winning the 'possession' game (68% ozone starts and 50.3% corsi isn't very good) - and neither are the skilled top 6 forwards - while at the same time, they haven't been finishing the chances they do produce 5 on 5. Hughes was a 3rd worst -10 last year (over larger sample), and while his possession numbers were slightly better, there was still room for improvement (but as a rookie - not particularly a concern). For me - a degree of this is to be expected, and the rest can be corrected and improved upon with better engagement from the rest of the guys on the ice as well. He's seemed a bit more engaged the past few nights - sometimes you need to go through rough stretches to gain the benefit of the growing pains. Half his points this season are on the man advantage - otherwise he really misses the steady Tanev - and not just off the ice. The articles that surfaced in the offseason regarding Hughes being dragged down by Tanev, were based on some really poor, elementary 'analytics' that were negative value analyses. Thus far, Hamonic wasn't really up to speed (and isn't a Tanev replacement in any event) - and Benn has stepped up well, but that remains the team's principal need, particularly long term - Hughes' partner. His plus minus in context is not good - no doubt about that - however it's not on him alone - and the idea that alot of people had going into this season, that he's already a "#1" defenseman - is very premature. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 hour ago, oldnews said: r. His plus minus in context is not good - no doubt about that - however it's not on him alone - and the idea that alot of people had going into this season, that he's already a "#1" defenseman - is very premature. I agree it is premature as a true #1 He is the best offensive Dman we have prob ever had though He is a #1 pp specialist at the point +/ - don't count for/against pp or pk and he is no Larry Robinson who you'd put out at any time I wonder if he could be a Paul Coffey type though #29 NHL all time in +/- ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Well this is a troll thread if I ever saw one. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnBurner Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Relax everybody. He's probably just going through his sophomore jinx. Haha! Top scoring defenceman and top 10 scoring overall. We're doomed! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 On 2/11/2021 at 10:35 PM, RU SERIOUS said: A sad stat , but with no one (Tanev) left to cover Quinn's A$$ when he's out of position when he's caught up ice or bumbling the puck, he's now fallen to the very worst and last +/- position in the entire National Hockey league at Minus -13 (Tied with Guess who....Gudbranson) with ALL 252 defenseman and ALL 743 other players in the entire league with a better +/- than him. Does JB or TG share any blame for this very sad situation???? Nope, none at all. It's all on Hughes and how he misrepresented his play during his draft year. The wiley little guy fooled GMs and scouts. The team will probably be lucky to get a 7th round pick for him... regards, G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bree2 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 On 2/12/2021 at 3:47 PM, *Buzzsaw* said: What's with the hate for Hughes? You need to realize offensive talent like his does not grow on trees. He is a critical part of this team. The actual problem is the rest of the D-lineup.... Benning has not kept, (Tanev) or acquired the solid defensive D-men who are needed to complement Hughes. he is paired with Benn and i just don't think it is working, why the defensive coach still refuses to put someone else with hughes i don't know.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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