NDSF: (1) Toronto Maple Leafs vs. (4) Montreal Canadiens | Canadiens win series 4-3

[D-Money]

31 minutes ago, McBackup said:

This shows exactly why Marner isn't a playoff performer. He isn't choking. He's afraid to get hit. He's great at prancing around the ice with all the open space in the world during the regular season, but once the playoffs start and the physicality ramps up he'd rather throw the puck away than hold on to it to score if it means being on the receiving end of a check.

In the multiple Boston series I thought Marner was excellent. But these past 2 years he’s been trash. Guess he got paid...

[davidgoliath]

1 hour ago, Rick Blight said:

And Foligno is about to become a UFA. Would not surprise me to see him sign back in Columbus.

Yep, Foligno was strictly a rental. As it turns out, a short-term vacation rental.

[Elias Pettersson]

1 hour ago, shiznak said:

Marner isn’t a goal scorer. You can’t put the blame on him, when your linemates can’t put the puck in the net. This game alone, he created 3 good scoring chances that Hyman couldn’t bury.

If you have to rely on your line mates to help you get points then you probably shouldn’t be getting paid $11 million. 

[4petesake]

5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

If you have to rely on your line mates to help you get points then you probably shouldn’t be getting paid $11 million. 

 

[stawns]

8 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

If you have to rely on your line mates to help you get points then you probably shouldn’t be getting paid $11 million. 

Is that what you thought about Hank?

[lmm]

1 hour ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

Make no mistake... the Leafs have a lot more talent overall.

 

But this came down to two factors.

 

One was obvious... Carey Price.

 

The other was Team Defense.

 

Every single Montreal player bought into the system... which was play physical, disrupt the Leafs offense in the neutral zone by getting on them quickly, and JUMP JUMP JUMP on the puck... Montreal was a step faster in all these last three games.

 

You could see the urgency in the Habs game even in their line changes... no lazy move to the bench, they were hustling to get there.

 

By the way... if anyone thinks Burr didn't have anything to do with this... I can sell you some great swamp property in Florida.  Burr is going to be an NHL head coach and I know he was there in the dressing room firing the team up and making smart coaching decisions behind the bench.  I just hope he ends up in Vancouver instead of the lame bunch we have here now.

 

 

I found it interesting that all the talk pre-game was how the leafs brought in Jumbo  Spazz and Simmonds 

but none of tose guys have cups

I picked Perry, Price and Toffoli, this afternoon.

 I guess I shoulda called Gallager too, but Perry and Toffoli actually have cups

During the game they said Spezza has never won a game 7 and Staal has never lost

And on a side note Bergavin looked mighhty stylish in his all red with massive flow

[Tortorella's Rant]

[4petesake]

All these memes and gifs about the Leafs. How about a little love for the Habs!

 

 

[BPA]

6 minutes ago, stawns said:

Is that what you thought about Hank?

Well Hank was an Art Ross winner.  Captain of the team.  $7M salary (which I'm pretty sure wasn't 13.4% of the teams salary cap at the time...I could be wrong) not $10.9M.

[qwijibo]

3 minutes ago, BPA said:

Well Hank was an Art Ross winner.  Captain of the team.  $7M salary (which I'm pretty sure wasn't 13.4% of the teams salary cap at the time...I could be wrong) not $10.9M.

It was 10.89% of the cap when signed.  

[Elias Pettersson]

25 minutes ago, stawns said:

Is that what you thought about Hank?

I don’t recall Hank ever getting paid $11 million. As I recall him and his brother took pay cuts so the team could be contenders. Quite the opposite of what Marner did.

 

Oh and Hank was able to win the Art Ross and the Hart Trophy even while his brother was injured for half the year. 
 

Give me a call when little Mitch wins the Art Ross and the Hart Trophy without his buddy Matthews by his side. Might be a long wait so I promise not to change my phone number. 

Edited June 1, 2021 by Elias Pettersson

[Elias Pettersson]

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Edited June 1, 2021 by Elias Pettersson

[oldnews]

2 hours ago, Alflives said:

Correct me if I’m wrong.  Benning traded the 20th OA for JT Miller, a fantastic power forward with elite skill.  Dubas traded the 20th OA for Nick Foligno.  

Funny thing - is that this market blew a head gasket over the Miller deal - the vast majority of the response to that trade = was fury.   "Cap dump", "bottom six center" and on and on.  

 

It's interesting the contrast in the markets....

 

On the other hand, I think I saw a quote a few pages back where SidSix states that anyone that didn't like the Foligno deal - is an "idiot"... But I have to ask - let's assume the Leafs had a good chance to make it out of the North - did they seriously think they had the kind of team to go anywhere beyond that?  Are those of us that didn't take them seriously as contenders really "idiots"?   Or is it worth it to spend 6 picks hoping to get out of the first round?  

 

Who's the desperate GM?

 

How many first round failures had Dubas already gotten a mulligan again?   So much goldfishing this year as he continued to be a #genius.

It's somewhat remarkable how "teflon" Dubas has been through it all.

 

Benning gets skewered for virtually everything he does - even the deals he hits are met with outrage...

 

Dubas deals multiple 2nd round picks to rent centers (Plekanec, Boyle) for first round exits... another 1st to rent Foligno for a first round exit , another 1st to dump Marleau's contract....another handful of picks on Hutton, Rittich, Nash, Clifford.... Dubas, the #stockpile the picks genius.  

 

I won't be surprised in the first month of next season - when the Leafs do the Leafs thing and win some games out of the gate....the #genius will once again get the goldfish benefit.

 

Anyhow - the Leafs spent 6 picks this deadline?  For 1 assist?   All rentals.....Kinda makes the Toffoli deal look moderate by comparison (at least Benning, at the time, intended to re-sign Toffoli / but things changed...).   

 

Dubas evidently believed the Leafs were in a window - pure rentals - but the only thing he did for depth on that blueline was Ben Hutton - a guy they didn't even utilize.....

I'm thankful this rething isn't in his hands.  

 

 

[oldnews]

2 hours ago, MattJVD said:

While the game often does get tighter and lower scoring in the playoffs in general:

Elias Pettersson Regular Season: 0.92 Points per game. Playoffs: 1.05 Points per game

yeah - we could pick out a number of outliers - and small samples - but the larger sample you look at, the more obvious it becomes.

[oldnews]

2 hours ago, gizmo2337 said:

so many variations of this joke.

 

every single one of them works lol

[AlwaysACanuckFan]

[oldnews]

41 minutes ago, lmm said:

I found it interesting that all the talk pre-game was how the leafs brought in Jumbo  Spazz and Simmonds 

but none of tose guys have cups

I picked Perry, Price and Toffoli, this afternoon.

 I guess I shoulda called Gallager too, but Perry and Toffoli actually have cups

During the game they said Spezza has never won a game 7 and Staal has never lost

And on a side note Bergavin looked mighhty stylish in his all red with massive flow

yeah - it's ironic...

the Habs added some clutch playoff champions

the Leafs added guys that have never won anything.

but Dubas was a genius - and the Habs chances were laffed off the air...

 

I've been critical of Bergevin in the past - but his offseason was excellent imo.

Not only did he add some great complementary wingers (to a young group of centers) - but he brought in veteran center depth as well, and had a handful of decent depth defensemen they could rely on...

 

Virtually 'everyone' rubber-stamped the Leafs through the North.

But Bergevin schooled the millenial GM on the fundamental/'foundational' "defense wins championships" - and brought in actual champions.  Remarkable how stealth those points remained through it all.  It was almost as daft as the responses to the Weber/Subban deal where the 'analyticz community' lost it's mind...how has that aged?

[shiznak]

44 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

If you have to rely on your line mates to help you get points then you probably shouldn’t be getting paid $11 million. 

There’s more to “relying on your linemates to get you points.”. Marner is one of the best playmaker in the league (35 primary assists). Only McDavid ranks higher in primary assists. 
 

Joe Thornton and Henrik Sedin, two of the best modern day playmakers, took 11.7% and 10.8% of their team’s cap. Both signed their contracts, when they were over 30 years old. Toronto is banking on Marner to continue to be that elite playmaker throughout his contract. Which is more than likely since he hasn’t even hit his prime years, unlike the former two.

[Elias Pettersson]

2 minutes ago, shiznak said:

There’s more to “relying on your linemates to get you points.”. Marner is one of the best playmaker in the league (35 primary assists). Only McDavid ranks higher in primary assists. 
 

Joe Thornton and Henrik Sedin, two of the best modern day playmakers, took 11.7% and 10.8% of their team’s cap. Both signed their contracts, when they were over 30 years old. Toronto is banking on Marner to continue to be that elite playmaker throughout his contract. Which is more than likely since he hasn’t even hit his prime years, unlike the former two.

Thornton led his team to the finals. So did Hank. Marner can’t even get his team out of the first round. He’s not worth anywhere near $11 million. 

[shiznak]

1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Thornton led his team to the finals. So did Hank. Marner can’t even get his team out of the first round. He’s not worth anywhere near $11 million. 

LOL, really?
 

Thornton was 36 when he led his team to the finals. Henrik was 29.

 

Marner is 24.