[Speculation] Is Schmidt on the move?

[PhillipBlunt]

1 minute ago, RWMc1 said:

I was actually going off of a segment of HNIC where he stated that it was so bad for some players because certain media members hounded them with negativity to the point that they didn't even want to speak with them.

In general, or Vancouver specifically? I can see some players getting tired of the banal questions that some media ask them. 

[4petesake]

17 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Thank you, 4pete.

 

Juice makes some solid points. I long for the days of journalistic integrity. 

When you have time give this link a listen. It’s the longer version of that show and the media part starts at about 9 mins, and more specific to issues with them at about 13 mins.

 

https://pmd.sportsnet650.ca/audio_on_demand/kevin-bieksa-with-mike-and-jason-hb-20210419-Interview.mp3

[PhillipBlunt]

1 minute ago, 4petesake said:

When you have time give this link a listen. It’s the longer version of that show and the media part starts at about 9 mins, and more specific to issues with them at about 13 mins.

 

https://pmd.sportsnet650.ca/audio_on_demand/kevin-bieksa-with-mike-and-jason-hb-20210419-Interview.mp3

Once again, thank you.

[4petesake]

11 minutes ago, RWMc1 said:

I was actually going off of a segment of HNIC where he stated that it was so bad for some players because certain media members hounded them with negativity to the point that they didn't even want to speak with them.

Yes he talks about that in the full version that I just posted. Really interesting piece.

[TheRussianRocket1994]

15 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

@wallstreetamigo This is the consequence that you get when you "sell" news. You claim to think the news was BS, but your other comments say otherwise. You're complicit with the poor reporting, in favour of entertainment.

Funny how he is quiet as a church mouse all of a sudden! Hmmmmm!! 

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, IRR said:

Funny how he is quiet as a church mouse all of a sudden! Hmmmmm!! 

Dinner time in Toronto maybe?  

[Kenny Blankenship]

1 hour ago, Dazzle said:

Hmm...

On one hand, you said they report what they hear, not "tow the company line". On the other hand, you said it would be "extremely boring" if they reported stuff that was 100 percent accurate.

 

Then you said that stirring up controversy sells papers (something we all suspected), while you claim that Vancouver media has ethics.

 

Ok buddy. You've thoroughly contradicted yourself.

Why are you so offended by the media being criticized? Millennials....

 

Why is there a zero sum approach to reporting? Why is it that "being a homer" can't sell a paper? The fact that people buy a controversial story is exploiting people's psychology. In other words, this demonstrates, and you've confirmed this, that the media doesn't care about having ethics, so long as they sell papers.

Also, what is it about reporting accurately that makes you somehow "a homer"? So many questions.... @wallstreetamigo

 

 

 

I’m so excited for the response. This should be good. 

[ShawnAntoski]

1 hour ago, RWMc1 said:

I was actually going off of a segment of HNIC where he stated that it was so bad for some players because certain media members hounded them with negativity to the point that they didn't even want to speak with them.

Perhaps the best or only way to keep the hacks honest or at bay (for a moment).

Edited July 7, 2021 by ShawnAntoski

[Dazzle]

3 hours ago, Provost said:

The folks bashing the media should also keep in mind that even the worst media member in town knows almost infinitely more and is much better connected than literally everyone on this forum... so sure, call them out for not being as good as they should be, but don't pretend you know any more than any of them.

They hear what they hear, they talk to players, agents, and members of the organization all the time.  Dhaliwal for example clearly has agents as his main source and they use him to get information "they" want out there.  Other media members get information through sources on other teams that may be getting fed misinformation from the Canucks side of things.  Even Benning says publicly that he talks with every other GM regularly in efforts to improve the team, so if you hear that someone's name came up in a trade discussion... what do you think he is talking with the other GMs about?  Doesn't mean it is going to happen 95% of the time, doesn't mean the media is wrong saying that it was discussed.  The call could be "Hey we like Reinhart and heard he may be available, what would it take to get him?  Boeser?  Ok, that doesn't work for us goodbye..."  

No one in this thread has claimed to "know more than any of them [insiderzzz]". What a strawman you created there!

 

Except logically, the media has no role when it comes to trade talks. The discussions that a GM has with another GM are not likely to be shared. Why would they share about a potential trade that the two GMs are working on? To 'pressure' the other GM? Of course not.

Sports journalists are essentially excluded out of the process. Yet logically, we can guess that multiple trade scenarios involving all players are discussed to ensure they do a proper market evaluation, which in turn prepares them for future trades. How will you know if you're being ripped off or not if you don't even know your own player?

 

I suspect that journalists are given some info in exchange for 'good behavior'. The ones who don't exercise good behaviour are gonna be either given bad info, or they'll be forced to make it up.

 

It's not hard to figure out who the bad ones are: Sekeres, for example, claimed that Hughes was on IV, only to be proven wrong. I know wallstreetamigo will still claim that Hughes or the Canucks might be lying, but keep in mind, he is also the one that thinks that rumours are an indication of real activity. Preposterous.

[Ghostsof1915]

Sorry if anyone gets offended, or bent out of shape....

 

 

[ShawnAntoski]

Most traditional industry or profession are either dying or transitioning.  Imo, the media industry has always been a nasty one; and with the rise of social media they are getting (more) desperate due to an actual competition that threatens traditional media - but they only have themselves to blame cause they have taken the public trust for granted for a very looooong time.  Now perhaps, is the right time for that industry to have some much needed purging.

 

The one’s with a good reputation will be ok (for the most part).

Edited July 7, 2021 by ShawnAntoski

[Ilunga]

On 7/6/2021 at 10:10 AM, Provost said:

That is objectively wrong.

The vast bulk of "boomer" wealth they didn't lift a finger to earn as it was just housing inflation.  

Tell that to my friends who were/still are tradies especially the brickies.

 

If you want to " cohort" me I was born at the end of the boomers or the beginning of Gen X. 

 

I worked as a builder's labourer,a brickies labourer,a plumbers labourers labourer-digging $#@#holes.

I "ran" garbage back when you physically had to pick up the bin.

I have since taken over the family farm my parents who had to clear the land and worked up to 16 hours a day sometimes to build up.

 

If you really want to inform yourself on generational inequality read the article I posted in reply to Jimmy McGill. 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 7, 2021 by Ilunga

[Sean Monahan]

1 hour ago, Dazzle said:

suspect that journalists are given some info in exchange for 'good behavior'. The ones who don't exercise good behaviour are gonna be either given bad info, or they'll be forced to make it up.

Bob Mackenzie talked about this when he was on Spittin’ Chiclets a while back. He talked about his duty as a media person to respect the organizations and their front offices, and in return they’ll treat him better and be a little more forthcoming. He said the same thing about dealing with players as a media person. 
 

 

[Ilunga]

10 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

with respect, yes it was much easier to find a good job and get a home in the 80s and 90s, at least here in North America. Maybe it was different in Oz, not sure. 

Thanks for the respect Jim.

 

That article just points out that there has always been generational inequality.

 

What I know for a fact is since our countries enacted legislation that allowed for "trickle down economics" the opposite has occured.

There are more working poor and the middle class is shrinking 

What has me worried and schimdting my pants is if interest rates go up.

Over here in Aus Boomers had to service their loans at 17 percent interest rates.

While for sure the loans where way smaller it was still a burden to many of my friends at the time.

ATM interest rates are very low on huge loans both for people and governments.

If they go up even by a couple of percent,which they eventually will margins are so tight in regards to household spending we will all suffer.

 

[ShawnAntoski]

1 minute ago, Sean Monahan said:

Bob Mackenzie talked about this when he was on Spittin’ Chiclets a while back. He talked about his duty as a media person to respect the organizations and their front offices, and in return they’ll treat him better and be a little more forthcoming. He said the same thing about dealing with players as a media person. 
 

 

Good context; and with anything that has to do with human interaction - you have to earn your reputation.

[Provost]

1 hour ago, Dazzle said:

No one in this thread has claimed to "know more than any of them [insiderzzz]". What a strawman you created there!

 

Except that by stating they are lying, clickbaiting, full of crap, etc you are claiming to know more than they do… otherwise you are just basing those opinions on your imagination and should preface all your comments as such… like “Coming from a place of pure ignorance of the subject, it is my opinion that the story about Ian Clark being unlikely to re-sign with the Canucks is not true… but again I have no evidence, experience, or insider knowledge to back up that claim.”

 

… but instead it is…

”Dhaliwal is a lying idiot who is just making up clickbait stories about Ian Clark not re-signing… he is a trash media member.”

 

All of us know effectively zero about the inner workings of the league… so what possible logical thinking could lead you to believe that you would have any legitimate insight to make judgments on the relative merits of what people who actually do have more knowledge of the subject?

 

All of the local/national media people rub shoulders daily during the season with players, agents, and members of various organizations.   None of us have a fraction of that access.

[ShawnAntoski]

8 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

Thanks for the respect Jim.

 

That article just points out that there has always been generational inequality.

 

What I know for a fact is since our countries enacted legislation that allowed for "trickle down economics" the opposite has occured.

There are more working poor and the middle class is shrinking 

What has me worried and schimdting my pants is if interest rates go up.

Over here in Aus Boomers had to service their loans at 17 percent interest rates.

While for sure the loans where way smaller it was still a burden to many of my friends at the time.

ATM interest rates are very low on huge loans both for people and governments.

If they go up even by a couple of percent,which they eventually will margins are so tight in regards to household spending we will all suffer.

 

Real world issues that the avg person should be made aware off

Edited July 7, 2021 by ShawnAntoski

[Provost]

22 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

Tell that to my friends who were/still are tradies especially the brickies.

 

If you want to " cohort" me I was born at the end of the boomers or the beginning of Gen X. 

 

I worked as a builder's labourer,a brickies labourer,a plumbers labourers labourer-digging $#@#holes.

I "ran" garbage back when you physically had to pick up the bin.

I have since taken over the family farm my parents who had to clear the land and worked up to 16 hours a day sometimes to build up.

 

If you really want to inform yourself on generational inequality read the article I posted in reply to Jimmy McGill. 

 

 

 

 

“Some people earned some of their money” is not a rational counterpoint to my comment.

 

Wealth isn’t what you earned and spent.  The bulk of boomer wealth has been due to real estate inflation.  When you took out a $50,000 mortgage and now your house is worth $800,000… it is a stretch to say you earned that, certainly not when making the argument that millennials didn’t earn anything.

Add in the fact that the same boomer population started their working careers with national debts of just in the hundreds of dollars per person, but are finishing their working careers with tens of thousands per person in national debt… and those same people basically lived off government credit cards where they charged government services that they didn’t want to pay taxes for.

[Dazzle]

19 minutes ago, Provost said:

Except that by stating they are lying, clickbaiting, full of crap, etc you are claiming to know more than they do… otherwise you are just basing those opinions on your imagination and should preface all your comments as such… like “Coming from a place of pure ignorance of the subject, it is my opinion that the story about Ian Clark being unlikely to re-sign with the Canucks is not true… but again I have no evidence, experience, or insider knowledge to back up that claim.”

 

… but instead it is…

”Dhaliwal is a lying idiot who is just making up clickbait stories about Ian Clark not re-signing… he is a trash media member.”

 

All of us know effectively zero about the inner workings of the league… so what possible logical thinking could lead you to believe that you would have any legitimate insight to make judgments on the relative merits of what people who actually do have more knowledge of the subject?

 

All of the local/national media people rub shoulders daily during the season with players, agents, and members of various organizations.   None of us have a fraction of that access.

Is that how you arrive at conclusions? Laughable.
 

I never once stated nor suggested that I had inside knowledge of the Hughes incident, or anything else that the media reported on. What I can do is be skeptical when Hughes refuted the story. Moreover, Bieksa said (and I'm paraphrasing) "If you can't get it right, don't report it." There are other incidents historically that suggest that the media is either incompetent at verifying their sources, or according to wallstreetamigo himself who initially defended the media, has said that the media has to "stir up" controversy to sell papers.

 

It's not that I am determining that the media is bad from my sources. I am determining them to be bad because other more reputable sources say they are doing a terrible job at reporting.

Moreover, I have debunked wallstreetamigo's claim that the media is ethical. No they're not. If they were, they wouldn't have leaked Hughes' name out, even if he was *really* on IV. So much for privacy.

 

And seriously, wallstreetamigo says it best himself, it would be "extremely boring" (his words) if the media reported everything as 100 percent verifiable. :rolleyes:

Edited July 7, 2021 by Dazzle

[ShawnAntoski]

14 minutes ago, Provost said:

“Some people earned some of their money” is not a rational counterpoint to my comment.

 

Wealth isn’t what you earned and spent.  The bulk of boomer wealth has been due to real estate inflation.  When you took out a $50,000 mortgage and now your house is worth $800,000… it is a stretch to say you earned that, certainly not when making the argument that millennials didn’t earn anything.

Add in the fact that the same boomer population started their working careers with national debts of just in the hundreds of dollars per person, but are finishing their working careers with tens of thousands per person in national debt… and those same people basically lived off government credit cards where they charged government services that they didn’t want to pay taxes for.

The current financial has certainly benefitted the previous generation(s) (especially, the baby boomers) - it all works, until you run out of OPM.  Just like the media industry the (current) financial system is collapsing - and in this case, it is collapsing under the weight of debt.

Edited July 7, 2021 by ShawnAntoski