JM_ Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 6 hours ago, captainhorvat said: Didn’t like Peteys comments and his attitude isn’t the greatest just trade him now for Eichel and call it a day yeah how dare he want to win. JE has shown a lot more issues over attitude and injuries than Petey has by miles. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 34 minutes ago, captainhorvat said: About playing for a winning team some where else in the next few years if we ain’t winning Please quote where he said he would play elsewhere if we aren't winning. All I saw was him saying he wanted to play for a winner, I saw nothing about him leaving. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -DLC- Posted September 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2021 We have a guy who desperately wants to win - spends lots of extra hours perfecting his craft so he can contribute to that. And people don't like his attitude. I'd rather have this competitive mindset than a floater who just wants to collect a paycheque. Petey works hard and is simply trying to secure his future as most top level athletes look to do. There is nothing suspect about that...it's the agents who drive these conversations and the players hire them for a reason. 1 1 8 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 204CanucksFan Posted September 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 hour ago, stawns said: Depends what you consider talented for a dman I guess. Offense is lower down my list Just curious, what/who is high on your list and why? The Canucks have had some very good defencemen over the years but none that were truly elite. In fact the franchise has had less than 20 dmen that played the equivalent of 4 full seasons with the team, and over half of them had +/- on the wrong side of even, including 3 that were worse than -100. Hughes is easily the closest we have ever had to an elite dman, I don't think we have ever had a player on the backend that could singlehandedly change the outcome of a game like he can. After only 2 Covid shortened seasons in the NHL Hughes is 63rd all time in Games Played for a Canucks Dman but he is 26th in points and will end up between 14th and 12th all time after his 3rd season is over. He is also 2nd all time in points per game among any Canucks defender with at least 100 games played. He is also only 21 years old, will be 22 shortly after the puck drops on this season, and has clearly never had a top quality coach to teach him how to properly defend. He has always relied in his natural ability which already puts him as one of the best skaters in the NHL, not just among dmen but all players. He now has that top quality coach to teach him more proper techniques and patience to go with that natural, high end ability. It's like Ian Clark said in an interview this offseason, always take the player (and obviously he's referring to goalies) that has the natural ability and "We can teach technique in a weekend" Well it obviously won't be that quick and smooth of a transition for Hughes, we will definitely be seeing an improved player over the course of this season. Go back and listen to Shaw talking to 650 shortly after his hiring was announced and you will see he is probably, exactly the type of coach Hughes needs. Getting Hughes signed to an 8x8 contract might be an overpayment for the first year or two but it won't take long before it looks a lot better than the contracts of Makar, Nurse or Jones. 2 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 9 hours ago, shiznak said: Boeser will be going into his 3 contract year, meaning we will need to buy his UFAs years. If he continues to score at a 40 goals pace. You’re looking at 7-9M on his next contract (with term). Hughes = 8M Boeser = 8M Pettersson = 6-7M (Bridge) OEL = 7M That’s 29-31M on only 4 players. Yes, it's doable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, stawns said: Again, depends what you consider talent. It's also much easier to do the things he does in this era compared to other more physical eras. As far as skill goes, I'd bet Lumme would be right there if he played now. Again, for me, its not about offense as much as it is talent at both ends of the rink jyrki was great, but it's not close, and I bet you a paycheque that he would tell you that himself. I also disagree that it's easier to do what quinn does now than it would have been 20 or 30 years ago. standing out because of your skating in an era where EVERYBODY skates really well is an amazing feat, whereas if he played in the 90s with the skills he has, he'd be putting up 100+ points a season. you can't hit or obstruct what you can't catch, and outside of a small handful of outliers, those guys back then just couldn't skate like everybody can now. Edited September 12, 2021 by tas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250Integra Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 My guess is long term deals for both since it’s taking so long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Also: don't talk sh about Total Petey/Quinn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stawns Posted September 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, tas said: jyrki was great, but it's not close, and I bet you a paycheque that he would tell you that himself. I also disagree that it's easier to do what quinn does now than it would have been 20 or 30 years ago. standing out because of your skating in an era where EVERYBODY skates really well is an amazing feat, whereas if he played on the 90s with the skills he has, he'd be putting up 100+ points a season. you can't hit or obstruct what you can't catch, and outside of a small handful of outliers, those guys back then just couldn't skate like everybody can now. Hughes likely wouldn't even have been able to play in the league in the 80's-90's with the hitting, slashing, interference etc. You put Lumme in today's game, with modern equipment and training and he would be an elite dman. He was supremely skilled and was an excellent two way dman 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, stawns said: Hughes likely wouldn't even have been able to play in the league in the 80's-90's with the hitting, slashing, interference etc. You put Lumme in today's game, with modern equipment and training and he would be an elite dman. He was supremely skilled and was an excellent two way dman phil housley, brian rafalski? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 17 minutes ago, tas said: phil housley, brian rafalski? I would not put Quinn Hughes in the same category as Rafalski, though he's ballpark, and not even remotely close to housley. Both those guys were small but rafalski couod take care of himself and Housley is one of the best to ever play the position.......both played hard at both ends of the ice I'm not saying Hughes isn't immensely talented, I just don't think he's heads and tails the most talented dman they've had. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 43 minutes ago, stawns said: Hughes likely wouldn't even have been able to play in the league in the 80's-90's with the hitting, slashing, interference etc. You put Lumme in today's game, with modern equipment and training and he would be an elite dman. He was supremely skilled and was an excellent two way dman He was a favourite of mine, but the reality is the game is MUCH faster than it was. Quinn's pretty elusive and good at maneuvering out of trouble. Don't sell him short on his ability to use his skating in ways others use brute force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 26 minutes ago, stawns said: I would not put Quinn Hughes in the same category as Rafalski, though he's ballpark, and not even remotely close to housley. Both those guys were small but rafalski couod take care of himself and Housley is one of the best to ever play the position.......both played hard at both ends of the ice I'm not saying Hughes isn't immensely talented, I just don't think he's heads and tails the most talented dman they've had. "Yet"....that's to be determined. The hope is that he will be. I, too, am a huge Lumme fan...he was incredible. I kind of hate the greatest "ever" because, for me, things evolve over time and so nothing should claim a "forever" title. It's like music for me...the greatest ever 20 years ago has changed as new stuff is introduced. There's no denying Quinn has something special...where that takes him is yet to be determined. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 50 minutes ago, stawns said: Hughes likely wouldn't even have been able to play in the league in the 80's-90's with the hitting, slashing, interference etc. You put Lumme in today's game, with modern equipment and training and he would be an elite dman. He was supremely skilled and was an excellent two way dman Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, -DLC- said: "yet"....that's to be determined. The hope is that he will be. I, too, am a huge Lumme fan...he was incredible. Jurki ‘Stone Face’ Lumme. The guy was awesome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, -DLC- said: He was a favourite of mine, but the reality is the game is MUCH faster than it was. Quinn's pretty elusive and good at maneuvering out of trouble. Don't sell him short on his ability to use his skating in ways others use brute force. The reality of the game - it's much faster because they got rid of one pass by removing the redline. And the fourth line has reverted back to what it used to be pre-PHI have some goons or die days. That's how i see it anyways. The 2000's the talent level lagged way behind as expansion had exceeded up and comers. As soon as the Craig Ludwig and Darian Hatcher's of the game lost their jobs things changed. Zubov getting over 70 points for the first time since he entered the league ... at 37 says enough about that. The game re-set for the skilled players again. The 80's Oilers today would of had a field day against any team we have now. Cap wouldn't allow them to be together but man they'd be in trouble. Edited September 12, 2021 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 As a fan, I sure feel antsy about wanting to see a deal soon. As much as we’d like to think the Canucks are going to take off this season, those two guys are so important to our team. It feels like if they miss training camp and exhibition games it’ll set us back, and it’s hard to play catch up in this league. On the other hand, we need these deals to be as fair as can be. If we lock too much cap on them, or finish these contracts as soon as they could become UFAs, we’ll be in the same position as Toronto. Such a sticky situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Jurki ‘Stone Face’ Lumme. The guy was awesome. He had the best backhanders to clear the puck out of our own zone on the penalty kill. And such a unique skating style, kind of like Phil Housley. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 how much actual cap space do the canuck's have? i think term isthe sticking point. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 On 9/11/2021 at 12:53 AM, MattJVD said: That quote was a joke because he had absolutely no memory of wearing the t-shirt or even knowing where Vancouver was. Then earlier in the week reporters pointed out they found a photo of him with a Vancouver t-shirt on as a kid, hence why he made that joke. He was being sly with that comment lol. Regardless though, I'm quite sure Petey is very happy to be playing here lol. But yeah, that quote was definitely a joke on Petey's end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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