[PGT] New York Rangers at Vancouver Canucks | Nov. 02, 2021

[wallstreetamigo]

16 hours ago, Viper007 said:

So .... Green gets no credit for putting Garland up with Petey and JT?  If you're going to blame him for the losses, you need to credit him with the wins.  Personally I don't credit Green for wins/losses.  I put that all on the players.  They're the ones playing.  You blaming the coach for all the losses, yet when they win he gets no acknowledgment is beyond stupid.

So trying every possible combination of players together and/or moving up the one player that has clearly been your best forward is great coaching now?

[CanucksJay]

32 minutes ago, stawns said:

it is a deeply undesirable role, one that is tough to fill, properly, on every team I've ever played for or coached.  It's not just standing there, there's a real art to it, even if the average Joe fan sees it or not. 

 

I'd say they picked up Chiasson specifically to fill that role, likely for a few reasons.  One, because they've not been able to fill that role adequately for a long time and two, because no one wants to stand there and get hit with 100 mph shots multiple times in a game and also because they don't want to put a Horvat, petey, Bies etc into that spot and risk serious injury.

 

To me, the flak that Chiasson is getting is nothing more than the usual suspects looking for a scapegoat rather than looking at the real reasons for a struggling team (though I don't it's that bad) and that group of people always goes for the low hanging fruit that doesn't requite a lot of work to get to.

Yeah I feel bad he's the scapegoat. 

In my opinion, the true error occurred when they signed him after preseason. Unless our PP was clicking at 20+% or he was near the top of the team in goals, he was in a position to fail because of the opportunity cost of giving him a roster position. 

This is more on TG than anyone else but Chiasson is the one we are seeing playing as a member of a dysfunctional PP unit. 

Petey, Miller Horvat, Boeser Hughes have all paid their dues on this roster and we know what they are capable of. We haven't seen much from Chiasson including training camp where we were second guessing Green's decision hence the harsh criticism. 

Edited November 3, 2021 by CanucksJay

[PhillipBlunt]

5 minutes ago, canuckleheads fan said:

The significant difference is that Hughes played ALL of last season and ate up a ton of minutes, where Petey only played only 26 games, missed the latter half of the season, had a serious wrist injury that appears to still be bothering him, and was unable to do a full off-season training program because of that injury.  Hughes was dialed in from the start because he never got undialed, where Petey is still recovering from the wrist injury, and in particular the doubt and mental blocks that always exists after a serious injury.  Talk to me again at game 25 to see if he's playing any better.  I've seen some encouraging signs, not enough, but his hockey sense is there, he's made some good passes that have not ended up as goals, he's blasted a couple of one-timers that will hopefully build his confidence.  He will break through.  The other issue is that we don't always see what goes on away from the play.  If other teams know he's got a bad wrist, you know they'll be hacking his wrists and hands at every opportunity, even if it draws a penalty.

I hope that Pettersson improves and gets back the trajectory that he was on, and am pretty sure he will. He's looked questionable so far, but did look like he had a bit of fire in him in the third. 

 

Hughes is looking great too because he's benefiting from Shaw's adjustments to the defense. He's showing a more well-rounded game overall. 

[CanucksJay]

3 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

So trying every possible combination of players together and/or moving up the one player that has clearly been your best forward is great coaching now?

LOL everybody on this forum knew Garland was performing the best since the season started. 

How long did it take for him to go to first line? He's still not even on pp1

[DIBdaQUIB]

31 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

They should roll with Garland on the 1st line, then I'd put Brock on the 2nd line. Don't think they've tried Brock/Bo together for awhile. 

 

Hoglander's effort is never a question but he hasn't been able to generate alot lately, plus Brock is too good to be on the 3rd line.

 

Hoglander getting favorable matchups as a 3rd liner may benefit him aswell, its just a matter of if Green trusts Hog/Pod on the same line. I think he should give it a shot.

Looked to me that Hoglander created a lot more than Brock last night. He's more tenacious, faster and pretty shifty with the puck. If brock isn't scoring with his shot, he doesn't really bring much. 

[Odd.]

Anybody else been very unimpressed of Dickinson? He’s been pretty awful and is brutal to watch..

Edited November 3, 2021 by Odd.

[86Viking]

1 hour ago, Taphouse Canuck said:

My response to all the Chiasson critics:

 

He has 3 points in 9 games, the same number as Pearson, Hogz and Brock, but he only costs us $750,000 a year.

 

Seems like good value to me.

he also has played quite a bit on PP1, a lot more than the 3 you mentioned. Any player can put up points by standing in front of the net on a PP...I did playing as a kid, I was NOT the best skater but I knew how to position myself and put the round puck in the net... Bet ya I could do it for the Canucks if I had a stretch of games where I could park my 230lb ass in front and try to tip pucks and jam at loose pucks. Obviously I am not an NHL caliber hockey player like Chiasson, but it is stupid for us to be using him on PP1... But when you have a poor coaching staff with so much INexperience...this is what you get.

 

I mean we fired an EXPERIENCED PP coach in Newell Brown and hired an AHL coach to be our NHL PP specialist coach...seemed destined to be a disaster, but I can almost guarantee this PP will turn it around and King will look like a good coach once BB6 and EP40 start scoring and shooting instantly like PODZ last night and not stopping the puck or double clutching before taking the shot

[SilentSam]

3 minutes ago, Odd. said:

Anybody else been very unimpressed of Dickinson? He’s been pretty awful and is brutal to watch..

He plays well,  better than any season that Sutter has tried to play.

[rekker]

4 minutes ago, Odd. said:

Anybody else been very unimpressed of Dickinson? He’s been pretty awful and is brutal to watch..

He looks a litte rusty coming back from injury. Pre-injury? He's been great imho.

[SilentSam]

49 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

I propose we let @Templeton Peck create the GDTs until the Canucks lose.

If agreed,.  I will continue with the Sacrifice, before or during a game..

 

[canuckleheads fan]

17 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:

LOL everybody on this forum knew Garland was performing the best since the season started. 

How long did it take for him to go to first line? He's still not even on pp1

He doesn't really have a job on PP1. He doesn't have a big one-timer so he's something of a waste on the RW half-boards (Petey), Huggy QB's the PP so he can't do that, he's not big enough to the be net-front presence (Brock or Chaisson), or the bumper (Bo), or the retriever LW half-boards (Miller).  He works on PP2 because that one is set up different, more shots from all over especially the point, no major one-timer, looking for rebounds and greasy garbage goals.  I'd like to see PP2 get more time, but they don't have a natural center so they can't start after a whistle, unless Miller or Bo stays on.

[canuckleheads fan]

19 minutes ago, Odd. said:

Anybody else been very unimpressed of Dickinson? He’s been pretty awful and is brutal to watch..

I think for why the Canucks acquired him, his defense, he's been fine.  He's never going to be an offensive star, plays die on his stick.  That's one reason I'm disappointed that Podz is with him, because then he has to drive all his own offense.  When the Canucks acquired Dickinson, I figured they were telling the world they would be a two line offensive team with a shutdown third line, which is what they've turned out to be.  Also, he doesn't win faceoffs, he was a career 40% faceoff guy before this season, and his numbers have been worse (about 35%).

[bishopshodan]

2 hours ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

In all my years of watching this sport in my lifetime, this is one of the most amazing plays I've ever seen. It certainly ranks as one of my favorite goaltending memories in Canucks history. Just unbelievable. And to think Demko is just getting started. 

It was great.

Demko is such a stud and seeing JT ready to take one for the team there was awesome.

 

I think I am still stunned how some many dont see the importance of Miller. Aside from this play, he was the centre on the 5 on 3. He scored twice including the gwg and continues to be the leading point getter on the team. His passion at the end of the game, yelling with the fans and teammates warms my heart. 

I know he screws up sometimes but his positive contributions greatly out weigh the bad. 

 

Once some of our other top six get their game together we should see a lot more wins in our future. 

[Angry Goose]

37 minutes ago, Odd. said:

Anybody else been very unimpressed of Dickinson? He’s been pretty awful and is brutal to watch..

Opposite for me. He’s strong on the puck and pretty tenacious when his feet are going. His positioning and strength seem to serve him well defensively. Has had a couple of near misses for goals over the past 2 games as well

[Templeton Peck]

1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

I propose we let @Templeton Peck create the GDTs until the Canucks lose.

So just one more GDT for me then?

[BPA]

27 minutes ago, canuckleheads fan said:

I think for why the Canucks acquired him, his defense, he's been fine.  He's never going to be an offensive star, plays die on his stick.  That's one reason I'm disappointed that Podz is with him, because then he has to drive all his own offense.  When the Canucks acquired Dickinson, I figured they were telling the world they would be a two line offensive team with a shutdown third line, which is what they've turned out to be.  Also, he doesn't win faceoffs, he was a career 40% faceoff guy before this season, and his numbers have been worse (about 35%).

Put out a line of Podz Dickinson Hogz.  Let the 2 young guns work their magic while Dickinson plays the responsible centre and puck retrieval. 

[Smashian Kassian]

58 minutes ago, DIBdaQUIB said:

Looked to me that Hoglander created a lot more than Brock last night. He's more tenacious, faster and pretty shifty with the puck. If brock isn't scoring with his shot, he doesn't really bring much. 

 

He's much stronger, better at maintaining puck possession along the walls. That skill kind of complements the way Pearson & Horvat play.

[khay]

1 hour ago, Odd. said:

Anybody else been very unimpressed of Dickinson? He’s been pretty awful and is brutal to watch..

Dickinson looks fine to me.

 

Doesn't give up much 5-on-5, strong on the puck. Good positioning.

 

Offensively not very imaginative but that's not his strong suit anyways. 

 

There are only two guys that I have been unimpressed with: Chiasson and Lammikko.

 

The 4th line is almost always hemmed in our zone. I'd like a 4th line that bangs the body more and bring energy but they suck energy out.

 

Lammikko is as advertised I guess, he's relatively low event player. Chiasson is PP specialist and I wonder if such role is really needed on the team. Miller's a big body that's hard to move. He could be the net front presence.

 

I'd bring Lockwood up and try to get Bailey-Lammikko-Lockwood to play together and see what happens.

 

 

[Dekey Pete]

1 hour ago, PhillipBlunt said:

I do wonder if that was part of the idea with Benning. Having a succession plan in place, in the event that Green doesn't work out. Shaw's record as an assistant is lengthy and recognized. After having a decade and a half as an assistant, one would think that Shaw would be making the next logical step to head coach. 

 

Who knows though.

That's actually really interesting, I hadn't thought of that.  It sure wouldn't be a bad idea for them to put a contingency plan in place in case Green wasn't able to pull it all back together after last season.  

[khay]

8 minutes ago, BPA said:

Put out a line of Podz Dickinson Hogz.  Let the 2 young guns work their magic while Dickinson plays the responsible centre and puck retrieval. 

Agree. Dickinson can benefit the two yuongsters defensively and Dickinson can benefit offensively from playing with those two.

 

Miller-EP-Garland

Pearson-Horvat-Boeser

Hog-Dicky-Podz

 

Lines are starting to establish.