flickyoursedin Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 All NYR proposals I’m seeing online are looking like what a top player should get on an expiring deal. No need to move him this year if the offers aren’t there. However Boeser on the other hand could get moved and then we could move Garland up in the lineup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 39 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: All NYR proposals I’m seeing online are looking like what a top player should get on an expiring deal. No need to move him this year if the offers aren’t there. However Boeser on the other hand could get moved and then we could move Garland up in the lineup. You’d rather have Garland than Boeser? What are some of the proposals from the NYR boards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 56 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: I personally don’t think he’s going to get traded now. Asking price might just be too high for any team to pay. Even with his performance tonight. I can’t see any team giving up what Canucks management is asking for. They apparently aren't even ready to trade him. Reading the MacIntyre article it sounds like Allvin's preference is to extend him . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, mll said: They apparently aren't even ready to trade him. Reading the MacIntyre article it sounds like Allvin's preference is to extend him . Well, that only means that Brock is probably the one being moved. Either that, or this current management is playing mind games with other teams, through the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 hour ago, N4ZZY said: I personally don’t think he’s going to get traded now. Asking price might just be too high for any team to pay. Even with his performance tonight. I can’t see any team giving up what Canucks management is asking for. Dunno if I agree with that, trading for him could very well be a kingmaker kind of move, I wouldn't be shocked to see a team up the ante as we get further into March All the Canucks have been doing is treading water, if they slip up even a little we're likely sellers Tonight was fun, but while the teams front of us aren't going to win every game neither are we Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 39 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: You’d rather have Garland than Boeser? What are some of the proposals from the NYR boards? I’d rather keep Garland. Boeser’s QO is too expensive for what he brings. Hoping he’ll sign for term at lower than his QO number for contract security. But I think Garland could contribute just as much to a top 6 as Boeser but at a 4.9 million dollar cap hit. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Provost Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Coconuts said: Dunno if I agree with that, trading for him could very well be a kingmaker kind of move, I wouldn't be shocked to see a team up the ante as we get further into March All the Canucks have been doing is treading water, if they slip up even a little we're likely sellers Tonight was fun, but while the teams front of us aren't going to win every game neither are we Yep, every time I start getting over excited I just look at the rolling records for the last ten games for all the teams we are chasing. That is how I also avoid getting too low and joining in the wailing and gnashing of teeth whenever we lose a couple games in a row. Even playing as well as we are, we just aren’t catching up to them or gaining enough ground in the standings fast enough to make the math work. We will just run out of runway. Taking into account games in hand and winning percentages, we are about 6 points out of a wildcard spot. We were 7 points out of a spot in November, so have managed to gain just one point in 3 months. Just while we are idle for the next couple nights, the teams we are chasing play a bunch of games (some against each other) which means we are likely even farther out before the team even hits the ice again. In the last ten games we are 6-3-1 for 13 points The teams we have been chasing are playing at the same level. Dallas 6-3-1 for 13 points Edmonton 6-4-0 for 12 points Anaheim 5-3-2 for 12 points LA 7-1-2 for 16 points Winnipeg 4-4-2 for 10 points We have fewer than 30 games left which means we have to be beating all of these teams at a rate of two or more points in each ten game span. If it was just one or maybe two teams you can hope they slide and we can do that. With a big pack and a lot of guaranteed points between them as they play each other, it is almost assured that a couple are going to go at least 6-3-1 to match our current winning rate. Just that sinks our chances as we need to be making up ground and we have to instead be upping our win rate to 7-2-1 the rest of the way out to catch up. If we happen to go just a respectable 5-5-0 in any stretch we lose ground and our chances are toast. Or if ANY team ahead of us has also good stretch of 7-2-1… suddenly we have to be almost perfect to gain any ground. If teams ahead of us have a few 3 point games, we are also in trouble. All of that JUST to squeak into the last playoff berth which isn’t even our goal as it doesn’t do much for us to just get bounced in the first round of the playoffs. To actually reach the real goal and beat the really good teams to win the Cup is pretty astronomical odds. Even on our hot streak we haven’t fared well against the upper competition. There are just too many ways for us to have no chance of catching up and too few ways for us to actually be able to gain enough ground. There is a good reason why almost all the teams above the playoff bar by American Thanksgiving make the playoffs… and the few that actually overcome those odds are within 2-4 points of the playoffs at on that date. We are tracking to miss the playoffs by 5-7 points even if we continue to play really well. It would be amazing to reach the playoffs and do a little damage there. It is also really worrying that we play just well enough for it to be tough for the GM to make moves at the deadline and that hurts us long term. Kind of like that mirage season when Benning first took over probably set us back years because it gave false hope. The good news is that maybe we have played well enough that it gives some hope to a guy like Horvat to be willing to extend at a reasonable price. At best our good stretch of play has maybe pushed me into maybe us moving Boeser instead of Miller at the deadline. We could get a return for Boeser and also take on a decent player on an expiring contract without making the team worse in the short term. Miller playing like he is right now with a full 90 point season under his belt probably isn’t going to be worth less as a trade asset in the offseason… so there shouldn’t be pressure on that end. Boeser without a contract extension and a looming $7.5 million QO would certainly be worth less as an asset. Edited February 25, 2022 by Provost 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Provost said: Yep, every time I start getting over excited I just look at the rolling records for the last ten games for all the teams we are chasing. That is how I also avoid getting too low and joining in the wailing and gnashing of teeth whenever we lose a couple games in a row. Even playing as well as we are, we just aren’t catching up to them or gaining enough ground in the standings fast enough to make the math work. We will just run out of runway. Taking into account games in hand and winning percentages, we are about 6 points out of a wildcard spot. We were 7 points out of a spot in November, so have managed to gain just one point in 3 months. Just while we are idle for the next couple nights, the teams we are chasing play a bunch of games (some against each other) which means we are likely even farther out before the team even hits the ice again. In the last ten games we are 6-3-1 for 13 points The teams we have been chasing are playing at the same level. Dallas 6-3-1 for 13 points Edmonton 6-4-0 for 12 points Anaheim 5-3-2 for 12 points LA 7-1-2 for 16 points Winnipeg 4-4-2 for 10 points We have fewer than 30 games left which means we have to be beating all of these teams at a rate of two or more points in each ten game span. If it was just one or maybe two teams you can hope they slide and we can do that. With a big pack and a lot of guaranteed points between them as they play each other, it is almost assured that a couple are going to go at least 6-3-1 to match our current winning rate. Just that sinks our chances as we need to be making up ground and we have to instead be upping our win rate to 7-2-1 the rest of the way out to catch up. If we happen to go just a respectable 5-5-0 in any stretch we lose ground and our chances are toast. Or if ANY team ahead of us has also good stretch of 7-2-1… suddenly we have to be almost perfect to gain any ground. If teams ahead of us have a few 3 point games, we are also in trouble. All of that JUST to squeak into the last playoff berth which isn’t even our goal as it doesn’t do much for us to just get bounced in the first round of the playoffs. To actually reach the real goal and beat the really good teams to win the Cup is pretty astronomical odds. Even on our hot streak we haven’t fared well against the upper competition. There are just too many ways for us to have no chance of catching up and too few ways for us to actually be able to gain enough ground. There is a good reason why almost all the teams above the playoff bar by American Thanksgiving make the playoffs… and the few that actually overcome those odds are within 2-4 points of the playoffs at on that date. We are tracking to miss the playoffs by 5-7 points even if we continue to play really well. It would be amazing to reach the playoffs and do a little damage there. It is also really worrying that we play just well enough for it to be tough for the GM to make moves at the deadline and that hurts us long term. Kind of like that mirage season when Benning first took over probably set us back years because it gave false hope. The good news is that maybe we have played well enough that it gives some hope to a guy like Horvat to be willing to extend at a reasonable price. At best our good stretch of play has maybe pushed me into maybe us moving Boeser instead of Miller at the deadline. We could get a return for Boeser and also take on a decent player on an expiring contract without making the team worse in the short term. Miller playing like he is right now with a full 90 point season under his belt probably isn’t going to be worth less as a trade asset in the offseason… so there shouldn’t be pressure on that end. Boeser without a contract extension and a looming $7.5 million QO would certainly be worth less as an asset. The extra point is killing us. Anaheim with 9 loser points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 6 hours ago, N4ZZY said: Well, that only means that Brock is probably the one being moved. Either that, or this current management is playing mind games with other teams, through the media. *Ding, ding, ding* If you were trying to move one player and extend another. Who would you be fluffing up, and who would you be dressing down...? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Just now, aGENT said: *Ding, ding, ding* If you were trying to move one player and extend another. Who would you be fluffing up, and who would you be dressing down...? Isn't Pearson amazing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 24 minutes ago, JM_ said: Isn't Pearson amazing? I see no reason to move Dickinson. He has been a warrior for us. Maybe if McDavid was coming the other way, I'd be ok with that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 18 minutes ago, HKSR said: I see no reason to move Dickinson. He has been a warrior for us. Maybe if McDavid was coming the other way, I'd be ok with that. Dickie is miscast here. He's not 1st line quality, nor is he a 3C. Even if its cap neutral I want to see a better fit for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, JM_ said: Dickie is miscast here. He's not 1st line quality, nor is he a 3C. Even if its cap neutral I want to see a better fit for the team. Where do you see him? I think he's a 3rd line winger IMO. He's similar to Pearson, but not as good with the puck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klw604 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Petterson Miller Horvat Lammikko None have great acceleration, Miller is probably the quickest, they need fast skating wingers with skill on there lines to be effective, That's why our fourth line, with Motte and Highmore has been very effective Horvat Miller Boeser Petterson Hughes Our powerplay 1 is slow, they have a hard time setting up in the O-zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klw604 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, HKSR said: Where do you see him? I think he's a 3rd line winger IMO. He's similar to Pearson, but not as good with the puck. 2 years remaining at 2.65 , He was suppose to be a 3rd line center at this price point, I would trade him for someone that can skate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 7 hours ago, Coconuts said: Dunno if I agree with that, trading for him could very well be a kingmaker kind of move, I wouldn't be shocked to see a team up the ante as we get further into March All the Canucks have been doing is treading water, if they slip up even a little we're likely sellers Tonight was fun, but while the teams front of us aren't going to win every game neither are we Perfect time to sell is after performances like tonight. A team that's making a cup run looks at Miller and figures he's the piece that will absolutely win them the cup, they'll pay any price for him. They'll sell the farm, and we'll end up with their years of patience/hard work in our roster and prospect pool. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 I remember the years of dreaming about having the depth we now have at centre. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: Perfect time to sell is after performances like tonight. A team that's making a cup run looks at Miller and figures he's the piece that will absolutely win them the cup, they'll pay any price for him. They'll sell the farm, and we'll end up with their years of patience/hard work in our roster and prospect pool. I think you are right. Miller is #10 in NHL scoring. If there is no commitment to resigning then he has to go. He is at maximum value. He could set up the Canucks in a major way for serious Cup contention in 2-3 years. That said it is always about what comes back. For the quality and versatility that Miller offers it has to be a fantastic deal. The assessment that JR and his new HO do on needs will tell the tale. Can they get what they need by dealing lesser lights than Miller or do they stroke for the fences? My guess is that they move Miller. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 I really like all of the Cs (Dickinson aside): Miller Hoglander - Pettersson - Podkolzin Horvat Highmore - Lammikko - Motte Like klw604 mentioned, they need to have fast wingers. I think Podkolzin, Hoglander, Highmore and Motte play fast, but others like Pearson, Garland and Boeser are slower in comparison. Sure would be nice to get Forsberg, or a couple of fast wingers like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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