stawns Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Goal:thecup said: Miller for Attard, 5th overall this year, and Philly's 1st in 2023. They need at least one established roster player coming back in a miller deal, imo. They're not rebuilding 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, stawns said: They need at least one established roster player coming back in a miller deal, imo. They're not rebuilding I don't know, but I thought Attard would be able to land a spot in our top 3 RHD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 With 50% retained, Torts would get what he wants (apparently) with very little up front cost; and the pain of losing the firsts not felt for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkSave Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 hour ago, stawns said: There's not much in Philly I'd want Not even a cheese-steak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, AC Readership said: What about this? Flyers Receive: Miller ($2.625M retained) Myers ($3M retained) Canucks Receive: JVR Combo of these players & assets: 5th OA 23 1st Frost York Tuomaala Foerster I don't think the Flyers would give up Provorov if they're going all in and the only D prospect they have that's worth anything is York. JR have said, he wants to construct a team that can win in a couple of years. He mentioned he’s looking for players around the age of 24-26 to build around. So, I highly doubt he’d be interested in picks and prospects, who won’t be ready when the team is prime to compete. Two names that could interests him from the Flyers are Konecny and Sanhiem. Both who are rumoured to be on the block. Edited June 18, 2022 by shiznak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 If a Miller trade is going to happen, I don’t like these Laine rumours. If he wants to go to LA only, he would likely be taking them out the potential JTM market and they probably have the best match as far as depth of prospects at a position we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 Not a fan of trading with PHI, unless it's for the #5 Laughton, Tippett, Attard and the #69 Is this enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucknAsia Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) Dreger saying Philly likely to swing for the fences in the off-season and are looking to move JVR for cap room This could mean their high pick could be part of a miller deal. Miller (re-signed / agrees to extension with Philly), Myers, Rathbone Philly 2022 First (5OA), 2023 2nd Provorov JVR (cap dump) - UFA end of season so we can move him as a rental Mckewan Edited June 18, 2022 by NucknAsia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) Canucks Instagram on Miller: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ce4OINlsHIu/?igshid=YzAyZWRlMzg= Don’t trade him. Edited June 18, 2022 by grandmaster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 hour ago, DrJockitch said: If a Miller trade is going to happen, I don’t like these Laine rumours. If he wants to go to LA only, he would likely be taking them out the potential JTM market and they probably have the best match as far as depth of prospects at a position we need. Which Laine rumours? I’ve seen some speculation but nothing concrete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Pears said: Which Laine rumours? I’ve seen some speculation but nothing concrete. That’s what makes it a rumour. Essentially he is doing what Panarin did in NY, only having one team he is interested in, LA. If it was concrete it wouldn’t be rumour and would be less fun than almost baseless speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) On 6/15/2022 at 8:09 PM, aGENT said: Don't dodge. What do you think the team's aim should be? To be an "ok" team? Like what do think it is "we" have been arguing about for months here? Is a moderately better, 95% the same but more expensive roster going to put us in the conversation with the likes of Tampa, Colorado, Carolina, Florida etc...? Does it even get us in the rung down conversation, with the likes of Toronto, Calgary, Dallas, Nashville, St. Louis etc? There's a reason some of us only see this as a one answer problem. It puts us in the playoffs. You can’t assess your playoff team by not making the playoffs. You need to make the playoffs for that assessment. The idea of overhauling the team to suddenly become the next Colorado, Carolina, Florida is a complete farce and severely lacks foresight and a minimum of understanding of the game. By the time the Canucks are the next Colorado, Tampa Bay type team, Colorado and Tampa Bay won’t be those types of teams anymore. They are who they are not by formula, but by years of savvy management, and let’s not forget, years of other teams’ complete mismanagement. So by the time the Canucks will be that good, they will be the next Canucks and other teams will be looking to emulate us, like when Boston won the Cup, like when L.A. won the Cup, like when Washington won the Cup; I don’t hear anyone trying to emulate the Capitals right now. But trying to emulate Tampa Bay and Colorado, why of course; they’re playing in the Cup final. Should Washington have traded Ovechkin before they won the Cup and they were a pretty bad team barely making the playoffs? (You will ask, am I comparing Miller to Ovechkin? NOOOOO. But he is indeed our best player for the next 3-4 years hands down). Extremely shortsighted. Edited June 18, 2022 by Me_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bishopshodan Posted June 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2022 We re-signed our all round great yet? The man, the legend, the back bone of our squad. Long live JT Miller! ( In Vancouver ) 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 On 6/15/2022 at 5:42 PM, aGENT said: I never "claimed" you said anything. I outright asked you if you thought a "slight improvement" by following your "re-up Miller and tweak" plan is good enough to considered in the same postal code as other contenders. Many teams are just "ok" until they're not. The Av's haven't made it out of the second round until this year and only managed to get past the first round in the past couple of years. And, prior to that, they got into the playoffs once in 7 years, only to lose in the first round. With their #1 guy in the line up. Time and patience are required and, yes, tweaking becomes part of that. Or it becomes dog chasing its tail stuff. People talk like there's a sure fire way to get there...but there's really not. Teams that get #1 picks tend to have a better shot, there's a reason they go first overall (usually). Other teams that don't have the luxury of a #1 (2 or 3) pick really have to focus on their strengths as well as their weaknesses. JT Miller IS our strength right now...so you get rid of him to be better? If ever there was a player who gives you a shot at being a contender (as much as some of those #1 overall guys), I'd say JT's it. A team that gets into the playoffs and has momentum....along with goaltending, a healthy roster and fair officiating, has a shot...that's all you need. People here want "consistent contenders"....but some of us aren't aiming there and we just want a cup (first and foremost). Get one, then focus on sustaining that or it's cart in front of the horse. Consistently contending isn't the goal, it gives you more chances at it. You can be a good "contender" for a long time and still have no cup...should we be ok with that? At this stage, JT gives us a better shot of getting one in the near future than the void in the line up if he's not there. For some of us, we want it all and we want it now not consistency in trying. You focus on getting A cup, not on trying to get one for a sustained period. Sure, I get it....odds are better that way. But losing JT reduces our odds as many of us see it. He's built for playoffs. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, Me_ said: It puts us in the playoffs. You can’t assess your playoff team by not making the playoffs. You need to make the playoffs for that assessment. The idea of overhauling the team to suddenly become the next Colorado, Carolina, Florida is a complete farce and severely lacks foresight and a minimum of understanding of the game. By the time the Canucks are the next Colorado, Tampa Bay type team, Colorado and Tampa Bay won’t be those types of teams anymore. They are who they are not by formula, but by years of savvy management, and let’s not forget, years of other teams’ complete mismanagement. So by the time the Canucks will be that good, they will be the next Canucks and other teams will be looking to emulate us, like when Boston won the Cup, like when L.A. won the Cup, like when Washington won the Cup; I don’t hear anyone trying to emulate the Capitals right now. But trying to emulate Tampa Bay and Colorado, why if course; they’re playing in the Cup final. Should Washington have traded Ovechkin before they won the Cup and they were a pretty bad team barely making the playoffs? (You will ask, am I comparing Miller to Ovechkin? NOOOOO. But he is indeed our best player for the next 3-4 years hands down). Extremely shortsighted. If we aspire to become as good as Tampa and Colorado are now, we should be trading Miller and Bo for younger assets and picks, so we can be that good in several years, which would be after those two players are beyond their competitive years. Trying to build a winner around Miller (and Bo - IMHAO) is a fools game. This club needs to build around Petey and Hughes. Demko can be traded toward the end of his contract if the club’s direction hasn’t turned. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, -DLC- said: Many teams are just "ok" until they're not. The Av's haven't made it out of the second round until this year and only managed to get past the first round in the past couple of years. And, prior to that, they got into the playoffs once in 7 years, only to lose in the first round. With their #1 guy in the line up. Time and patience are required and, yes, tweaking becomes part of that. People talk like there's a sure fire way to get there...but there's really not. Teams that get #1 picks tend to have a better shot, there's a reason they go first overall (usually). Other teams that don't have the luxury of a #1 (2 or 3) pick really have to focus on their strengths as well as their weaknesses. JT Miller IS our strength right now...so you get rid of him to be better? If ever there was a player who gives you a shot at being a contender (as much as some of those #1 overall guys), I'd say JT's it. A team that gets into the playoffs and has momentum....along with goaltending, a healthy roster and fair officiating has a shot...that's all you need. People here want consistent contenders....some want one cup (first). Consistently contending isn't the goal, it's a plan to try to get to the goal. Then you can focus on sustaining that. You can be a good team for a long time and have no cup. Teams rise and fall; that’s the cycle. Is our young core as good as other teams’ (risers) that will be the best over the next 5 years? I’d so no, it’s not. So do we continue down this losing road, or do we make the needed changes to improve our young core to be better and compete with the top clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: If we aspire to become as good as Tampa and Colorado are now, we should be trading Miller and Bo for younger assets and picks, so we can be that good in several years, which would be after those two players are beyond their competitive years. Trying to build a winner around Miller (and Bo - IMHAO) is a fools game. This club needs to build around Petey and Hughes. Demko can be traded toward the end of his contract if the club’s direction hasn’t turned. So you want to build for how far off in the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: We re-signed our all round great yet? The man, the legend, the back bone of our squad. Long live JT Miller! ( In Vancouver ) Yes I re-signed last year…. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, Alflives said: Teams rise and fall; that’s the cycle. Is our young core as good as other teams’ (risers) that will be the best over the next 5 years? I’d so no, it’s not. So do we continue down this losing road, or do we make the needed changes to improve our young core to be better and compete with the top clubs? Our goaltending is on point. I'd say Petey and Quinn give us a good shot despite some setbacks. Podz is proving to be all that we're hoping he is (and will likely only build off that). Brock had an off year but I'm not giving up on him yet. We do compete with top clubs...we beat the Avs in March and in an OT game that I was at that showed us we can. Changes aren't always improvements...sometimes they're downgrades. But people talk like it's an instant upgrade...that's your first mistake. Our bubble playoff team is quickly dismissed/overlooked by some. Not sure why that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, Alflives said: If we aspire to become as good as Tampa and Colorado are now, we should be trading Miller and Bo for younger assets and picks, so we can be that good in several years, which would be after those two players are beyond their competitive years. Trying to build a winner around Miller (and Bo - IMHAO) is a fools game. This club needs to build around Petey and Hughes. Demko can be traded toward the end of his contract if the club’s direction hasn’t turned. The Never-Ending-Reee-build...ahh,aaa ah, ahh, ah 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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