[Rumour] Bo Horvat Trade/Contract Talks

[SilentSam]

2 hours ago, Coconuts said:

And we had folks here arguing that 7M was too much for Bo back in August-September

 

I’m glad we signed Miller over Bo,  who seems to dish to Horvat nicely for his goals.. 

Theyre actually a good tandem.

 It when you see Miller and QH quarterbacking that pp..  you see why they have that money.

 

Looks like a great year for Bo , for whatever reason,  he seems to have shown up at the right time for his next contract ,  here or there where ever that might be.

…. but he definitely was not playing like an 8m dollar man last season, but possibly a 7m player, thus the stance , I presume by management.

 

The biggest F up was signing Brock to 6.5 for 3 yrs? ..   and many here thought that was fair value.

 

Im happy for Bo all around,   but it’s up to him now..   and if he can sustain these point totals like Miller has for 4-5 seasons .. and continues too.

Edited November 29, 2022 by SilentSam

[86Viking]

2 hours ago, Coconuts said:

And we had folks here arguing that 7M was too much for Bo back in August-September

 

Fans need to remember Horvat has 1 30g seasson and 1 60pt season. To overpay during a contract year when a player is having an absurd 23% shooting percentage would be a mistake. Horvat is a very good player but the team has to try and keep him while still leaving enough room to improve the D core and sign Kuzmenko. We need to move out 2-3 forwards that make north of 3m...Pearson is a must go and 1 of Garland and Boeser if the Canucks want to keep Kuzmenko

[steviewonder20]

12 hours ago, N4ZZY said:

Sorry? He's not taking 7M. LOL 

 

He's taking at least 8-9M, probably the first Canuck to be in double digits in terms of being paid. He's getting paid more than Miller, and JT's making 8M for the next 7 years after this season. 

 

Petey's making at least 8M, and without any debate, probably more. I can easily see 9-9.5M for him, over the max number of years (8). 

 

Sundin got 5.6 million for 6 months (prorated thats 11 million) and he turned down $20 million to sign here for 2 years.

[86Viking]

3 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

 

 

The biggest F up was signing Brock to 6.5 for 3 yrs? ..   and many here thought that was fair value.

He didn't hold much value considering what his QO was this past summer. So Canucks got him to sign for less than the QO in hopes Brock could turn it around. He is putting up points but isn't overly noticeable outside of that. It is a real shame he hasn't made a point of going out to improve his skating in the off season, that is a big weak spot to his game.

 

Boudreau has Brock on the 3rd line and some nights he gets 15min or less, so not ideal to pay him his cap hit for that 3rd line role. But no team is going to trade for him and give decent value with the term left on his deal. All we can hope for is he continues to put up points and if they keep Kuz then they try to move Brock possibly if they don't want to move Garland and or can't move Pearson

 

 

The team is just too cap heavy at the F position and we pay over 13m for 2 D men that are not good enough...stuck with OEL, team should try real hard to move Myers this TDL, maybe a team like Anaheim takes him for free and they can flip him next deadline for an asset., that is what a smart rebuilding GM might consider doing...

[combover]

3 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

I’m glad we signed Miller over Bo,  who seems to dish to Horvat nicely for his goals.. 

Theyre actually a good tandem.

 It when you see Miller and QH quarterbacking that pp..  you see why they have that money.

 

Looks like a great year for Bo , for whatever reason,  he seems to have shown up at the right time for his next contract ,  here or there where ever that might be.

…. but he definitely was not playing like an 8m dollar man last season, but possibly a 7m player, thus the stance , I presume by management.

 

The biggest F up was signing Brock to 6.5 for 3 yrs? ..   and many here thought that was fair value.

 

Im happy for Bo all around,   but it’s up to him now..   and if he can sustain these point totals like Miller has for 4-5 seasons .. and continues too.

I’m not upset we signed miller but i still feel it was a mistake. I rather have resigned Bo first. 

miller is a bust this season at Center and only got going after he was put  on Bos wing. Miller can’t win a face off and seems to have completely forgotten how to play D so much so the schenn called him out. 

millers a good  player for now  but if they can move him they should. i still feel miller could have gotten a good return and fixed out terrible D.m his value is diminished with his contract. 
now if we trade horvat and leave a giant hole in the middle and the guy that seems to get his linemates going. 

FYI horvat was scoring before miller was put on his line and miller was flat out sucking. Horvat has made miller better not the other way around. 
 

 

 

 

 

[Coconuts]

18 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

I’m glad we signed Miller over Bo,  who seems to dish to Horvat nicely for his goals.. 

Theyre actually a good tandem.

 It when you see Miller and QH quarterbacking that pp..  you see why they have that money.

 

Looks like a great year for Bo , for whatever reason,  he seems to have shown up at the right time for his next contract ,  here or there where ever that might be.

…. but he definitely was not playing like an 8m dollar man last season, but possibly a 7m player, thus the stance , I presume by management.

 

The biggest F up was signing Brock to 6.5 for 3 yrs? ..   and many here thought that was fair value.

 

Im happy for Bo all around,   but it’s up to him now..   and if he can sustain these point totals like Miller has for 4-5 seasons .. and continues too.

Yeah, I'm not rehashing the debate right now. Bottom line is he was worth 7M then and the price has gone up now. Bo was already showing up, he's just been on fire offensively this season and he's scored many of his goals without Miller factoring in assist-wise at all. 

 

They should have traded Boeser, I was on board with trading him at the deadline. Hard to sell a player as a goal scorer when he hasn't consistently been scoring goals though, regardless of how many assists he currently has. 

 

I wanted to sign Bo, I think he opts for a fresh start elsewhere though. 

 

15 minutes ago, Neutral said:

Fans need to remember Horvat has 1 30g seasson and 1 60pt season. To overpay during a contract year when a player is having an absurd 23% shooting percentage would be a mistake. Horvat is a very good player but the team has to try and keep him while still leaving enough room to improve the D core and sign Kuzmenko. We need to move out 2-3 forwards that make north of 3m...Pearson is a must go and 1 of Garland and Boeser if the Canucks want to keep Kuzmenko

Bo's been on pace for roughly 25 goals over the past five seasons, the numbers back that up. One can argue whether on pace matters but I reckon both our management group and the agents of players keep a close eye on that sort of thing. His goal scoring ability isn't new. He's also more than his point totals, which I argued all summer. He's our primary faceoff guy, he's historically been saddled with wingers who aren't top 6 caliber, he plays both special teams, he's often one of the guys you have out late defending a lead or trying to claw back. Bo's value to this team has always been about more than his point totals, he's a linchpin for this group and the Canucks trading him this season would be devastating to ability to their ability to compete this season and into the future. 

 

Pearson and Myers both have limited NTC's this year, they're not being dumped in Arizona. Lot of the league doesn't have cap space, teams actually looking to compete and make noise come playoff team would likely be sending cap back for either player. Same goes for Boeser, that's a lot of cap to take on. The likelihood of the Canucks just straight up clearing all of any of those contracts capwise seems pretty small imo. I mean, short of maybe handing Boeser to Buffalo at pennies on the dollar. Maybe management finds a way to move players for expiring deals, but more than likely we'd have to pay up for such a favour. 

 

The Canucks were left a mess by Benning era management and there are no easy fixes. 

Edited November 29, 2022 by Coconuts

[R3aL]

4 hours ago, N4ZZY said:

when is his bonus paid? 

$5 Million lump sum bonus 2023 off season. Once paid he's very moveable and we should get assets back instead of if moving him now we compromise our return or may hav etc take something we dont want back

[SilentSam]

11 minutes ago, combover said:

I’m not upset we signed miller but i still feel it was a mistake. I rather have resigned Bo first. 

miller is a bust this season at Center and only got going after he was put  on Bos wing. Miller can’t win a face off and seems to have completely forgotten how to play D so much so the schenn called him out. 

millers a good  player for now  but if they can move him they should. i still feel miller could have gotten a good return and fixed out terrible D.m his value is diminished with his contract. 
now if we trade horvat and leave a giant hole in the middle and the guy that seems to get his linemates going. 

FYI horvat was scoring before miller was put on his line and miller was flat out sucking. Horvat has made miller better not the other way around. 
 

 

 

 

 

Lol,   I scratch my head to think how any player in this League is a “bust” while tallying 

a rough average of +1.0 points per season over the last 4 seasons , including this one.… 

 

Perhaps they’ve put Horvat on Millers Line,  to raise Bi’s point totals and trade value, since he won’t sign , and bring a greater trade value back .

Sometimes management make’s Chemistry happen for a specific purpose.

[kenhodgejr]

could we sign him then move him at the draft for a top 10 pick + a player

 

Edit,

 

I could see us agreeing with a price and term for Bo (probably something similar to what Miller got) with the intention to keep him on the team long term and then making some trades right after so his cap works. 

 

Like moving Myers & Pearson for an affordable RD

Edited November 29, 2022 by kenhodgejr

[combover]

1 hour ago, SilentSam said:

Lol,   I scratch my head to think how any player in this League is a “bust” while tallying 

a rough average of +1.0 points per season over the last 4 seasons , including this one.… 

 

Perhaps they’ve put Horvat on Millers Line,  to raise Bi’s point totals and trade value, since he won’t sign , and bring a greater trade value back .

Sometimes management make’s Chemistry happen for a specific purpose.

Miller has been  a bust AT  CENTER this Season you can scratch your head all you want first ten game Bo was doing just fine without miller. Miller not so much unless being in the ice for every goal against counts. He’s defiantly improved since being put on horvats wing. Pretty sure most were calling him a number 1 Center he has net to show anything close to that this season. 

what’s his FO%. 
 

 

 

[SilentSam]

Just now, combover said:

Miller has been  a bust AT  CENTER this Season you can scratch your head all you want first ten game Bo was doing just fine without miller. Miller not so much unless being in the ice for every goal against counts. He’s defiantly improved since being put on horvats wing. Pretty sure most were calling him a number 1 Center he has net to show anything close to that this season. 

what’s his FO%. 
 

 

 

If all you’re worried about them is FO percentage then trade Bo for JP Pageau and Romanov ,. Then we turn the corner and come out on the straight stretch.

 

Bo is one year younger than JT ,  might possibly cave like Brock has.

 

People here have to stop thinking Bo is some kind of Super Hero in comparison to Miller.

When in fact they compliment each other quite well.

Put Bo back on the 2nd or 3rd line then and he can continue winning face offs but accumulating half the points he normally does in comparison to Miler .  Who consistently makes points happen for himself and his line mates.

Bo “showed up “ this year ,.   And that’s the only reason we’re having this conversation..

Where the F k has he been ?

Winning FO’s is not the only reason you keep him,.  His points are rising because management is allowing it to happen and create the best return..   another FO specialist included.

Management signed the right player after last season, and it is reflective of his previous years, and continues with this year.

 

Brock is the one that should have been let go.. just for the capspace.

 

 

[5nothincanucksohno]

20 hours ago, Alflives said:

The problem is Benning, in his “day to day” planning, didn’t realize that the contracts he foolishly gave to Myers and Pearson were one year too long.  So we will lose Bo and Kuz in 2023 bcause we cant rid ourselves of Myers and Pearson until 2024.  Thanks 

Benning!  

 

In the long run, if Mgmt can get a bidding war going for Horvat and make the right trade (obviously that is a big if), I would take that over resigning Horvat all day long. A young D, grade A centre prospect and a first rounder (plus additional pick) would go a long way to setting this team up for the future.

 

Horvat's biggest impact is on the PP (goals) and at the face off dot...I think the Canucks can replace that in a much more efficient way.

[AnthonyG]

14 minutes ago, combover said:

Miller has been  a bust AT  CENTER this Season you can scratch your head all you want first ten game Bo was doing just fine without miller. Miller not so much unless being in the ice for every goal against counts. He’s defiantly improved since being put on horvats wing. Pretty sure most were calling him a number 1 Center he has net to show anything close to that this season. 

what’s his FO%. 
 

 

 

Ummmmmmmm… is it considered a bust at centre when he hasnt really played centre at all this season? First 10 games the whole team sucked minus Petey. 

Also, hows Petey’s FOW%??? Its absolutely attrocious. Petey has had 7 games under 40% in the circle. Miller has had 2. Petey’s gotta get stronger in the faceoffs because we wont win many games with only Horvat winning faceoffs above 50%

[Gurn]

8 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

Petey has had 7 games under 40% in the circle. Miller has had 2.

How many games has EP played at center this year, compared to Miller?

Maybe that has something to do with the difference between 2 and 7?

[stawns]

1 hour ago, kenhodgejr said:

could we sign him then move him at the draft for a top 10 pick + a player

 

Edit,

 

I could see us agreeing with a price and term for Bo (probably something similar to what Miller got) with the intention to keep him on the team long term and then making some trades right after so his cap works. 

 

Like moving Myers & Pearson for an affordable RD

You're not clearing much cap with those two as you'd be taking cap back, almost surely

[N4ZZY]

2 hours ago, R3aL said:

$5 Million lump sum bonus 2023 off season. Once paid he's very moveable and we should get assets back instead of if moving him now we compromise our return or may hav etc take something we dont want back

but how does the team clear cap space to sign Kuzmenko and Bo? OEL is impossible to move, that leaves Garland (5M), and Myers (6M) as the best bets to move. if we wait until the 2023 off-season, we lose both Kuz and Bo. That makes our team worse, not better. 

 

[N4ZZY]

45 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

Ummmmmmmm… is it considered a bust at centre when he hasnt really played centre at all this season? First 10 games the whole team sucked minus Petey. 

Also, hows Petey’s FOW%??? Its absolutely attrocious. Petey has had 7 games under 40% in the circle. Miller has had 2. Petey’s gotta get stronger in the faceoffs because we wont win many games with only Horvat winning faceoffs above 50%

that's true. Petey's FO percentage isn't great. That's an area of his game that he needs to improve and grow. 

[N4ZZY]

21 hours ago, Alflives said:

The problem is Benning, in his “day to day” planning, didn’t realize that the contracts he foolishly gave to Myers and Pearson were one year too long.  So we will lose Bo and Kuz in 2023 bcause we cant rid ourselves of Myers and Pearson until 2024.  Thanks 

Benning!  

Jim Benning is the gift that keeps on giving for the Canucks. 

 

But to be fair, he did sign RFA's to some pretty good deals. It's his UFA spending and signing that has cursed this franchise for the foreseeable future. 

 

[stawns]

5 minutes ago, N4ZZY said:

Jim Benning is the gift that keeps on giving for the Canucks. 

 

But to be fair, he did sign RFA's to some pretty good deals. It's his UFA spending and signing that has cursed this franchise for the foreseeable future. 

 

To be fair he didn't know a pandemic was coming either.  I also doubt he'd have signed Miller to a retirement contract or Boeser to a huge deal either.

[SilentSam]