[PGT] Pittsburgh Penguins at Vancouver Canucks | Dec. 04, 2021

[JM_]

1 minute ago, DeNiro said:

That’s the most likely scenario.

 

But come on! Leaving things like this for this long is just creating so much toxicity.

 

Theres no reason Benning and Green can’t be fired and have someone step in as interim temporarily.

Gear can take over for a few weeks, nothing major has to happen trade-wise before Christmas or even the Olympics for that matter. 

 

Been watching regularly since the 90s, this is as ugly as it gets right now and all that can happen if no changes are made is guys will want out, if they don't already.

 

There's a lot for a new PHO and GM to work with here, we don't need to blow it up yet. But if Green is allowed to continue this disaster, and Jim makes a desperation move like moving a 1st again, oy, its going to be the lowest point ever imo. 

[steviewonder20]

10 hours ago, rainel said:

I am thoroughly disgusted in those fans who  were booing our Canucks at the end of the game!  Our guys worked very hard tonight. They always do. TOO BAD THEY HAD TO COME HOME TO BUNCH OF LAME  A** fans (if that is what you would call those beings)   Vancouver Canucks just keep on going, your true fans are still behind you, with respect!

I guess you believe in participation ribbons too. Look, everyone on cdc is a fan and wants the team to be successful. For some of us, it’s been many years of mediocrity interspersed with some good years. The team is dysfunctional. It’s not built to succeed, despite 8 years of trading picks and prospects to “win now”. Fans have the right to be pi**ed off. The owner interferes; there is no POHO; the GM hasn’t constructed a team that can defend; the coach just keeps juggling lines; the “star players” are underperforming. So, if I have to travel to Vancouver, pay for a hotel room, buy outrageously priced tickets and watch a game like that, that stupidity is on me, but booing makes perfect sense.

[Hairy Kneel]

1 hour ago, Timråfan said:

Nah, Benning could have made Markys contract high at the start and protected Demko.

If Seattle had taken Marky if so it wouldn’t have been Benning that turned Marky down. 
Strategic decisions that affect team morale. 

How high? 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

3 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

That’s the most likely scenario.

 

But come on! Leaving things like this for this long is just creating so much toxicity.

 

Theres no reason Benning and Green can’t be fired and have someone step in as interim temporarily.

I just look at what many are having to go thru with respect to the flooding in various parts of BC.  Makes our "problems" seem so insignificant by comparison.  

[NewbieCanuckFan]

Just now, Hairy Kneel said:

How high? 

Need to be plenty high to get thru a Canucks home game.

[mll]

 

[JM_]

1 hour ago, Timråfan said:

Nah, Benning could have made Markys contract high at the start and protected Demko.

If Seattle had taken Marky if so it wouldn’t have been Benning that turned Marky down. 
Strategic decisions that affect team morale. 

Marky wouldn't agree to that, he wanted expansion protection. 

[bad alice french]

32 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Miller, Garland and OEL are doing just fine as far as recent pro scouting goes.   This forum fell in love with Toffoli as well.  I don't know what going on with former great picks BB and EP...who the heck knows.    OEL replaced Edler, what we don't have is a LHD that can kill or penalties well behind him.   So when he's in the box .... ouch.   One thing that is becoming apparent is we aren't there yet.    Too bad.   Change will come.   This season is almost over, just like last one, before it began really.    Mistakes have mounted up that's for sure.   8 long years probably should have been 10, now instead 12... or maybe 18?  Guess we will find out soon enough.  32 team league.   Ugh.  

That is the problem with dismissing Jim Benning. So many great moves for this team. Very good draft picks, the obvious miscues aside. Miller OEL Garland all solid and really good players for us moving forward. Gudbranson  for Pearson was pretty savvy. Some good contracts (Huggy/Bo/Garland). I just feel the mantra has been focussed on having our elite draft picks carry the team moving forward and he has failed to surround them with quality leadership and hard-working/physical type players that can score. And of course as you said the left side and entire defence in general has been suspect for years. 
It’s time for change. It’s been long enough as is. 

Edited December 5, 2021 by bad alice french

[DeNiro]

11 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

I just look at what many are having to go thru with respect to the flooding in various parts of BC.  Makes our "problems" seem so insignificant by comparison.  

Yes and I’m sure watching the Canucks would have been a nice escape for those people if the team wasn’t a dumpster fire.

 

Edited December 5, 2021 by DeNiro

[flat land fish]

10 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:

How high? 

The Markstrom situation wasn’t going to work because to stay he would have required a nmc.  So it more likely would have lead to trading demko.  It was a tough call but in the long run I think it will prove out as the correct way ahead.

[DeNiro]

8 minutes ago, mll said:

 

And that comes down to coaching 1000%.

 

A good coach can coach any NHL level player to pk. It’s not rocket science.

[Mustard Tiger]

We can only afford 32 or so loses to be on a 90-100 point playoff pace. We have 17 of them already. 57 games to go, We can only lose 15 or so more games. Pretty much need 3/4 game win streaks with 1 lose in between from here on out. 
 
Now i love my team but are we going to do that? Not a chance at this rate lol. We need to get max value for some guys this deadline. Can't eff this one up or we will remain the same old canucks, Where we hang on to guys till they no longer have value

Aqua should be hiring a very well respected PoHo, That's who should be deciding all the other positions. Owner looking for a coach is a no go for me. This is all buffalo does and we are no better at this point 

[Steven Stamkos]

It’s wild to me that ownership / management has refused to make any sort of changes to this point. You can see your product spiralling down the gutter and you refuse to bail it out. 

[Canucks-12]

10 hours ago, J.I.A.H.N said:

Franco...............here are the reason's for penalties

 

#1.................Lazy players

#2.................bad refs

#3.................opposing teams superior Talent

#4.................Out sized

#5.................Stupid players

#6.................Bad coaching

 

Which excuse's are you going to use?

That tweet is fake. 

[davidgoliath]

2 hours ago, vannuck59 said:

This whole $hit show is on Benning

And the person who hired him and extended him. Shocking, repeated incompetence.

[Hairy Kneel]

This has turned into a development year. We have to be honest about that. Otherwise we'll waste picks and prospects for unnecessary rentals to try to push for a playoff spot. I don't think we're going to make a miraculous extra long win streak. 

 

I like our playoff chances for next year.

- But we need a new coach. 

- Except for Motte, we have a weak bottom 6.

- We need a big capable defenseman. 

 

[ShawnAntoski]

3 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:

This has turned into a development year. We have to be honest about that. Otherwise we'll waste picks and prospects for unnecessary rentals to try to push for a playoff spot. I don't think we're going to make a miraculous extra long win streak. 

 

I like our playoff chances for next year.

- But we need a new coach. 

- Except for Motte, we have a weak bottom 6.

- We need a big capable defenseman. 

 

Good points; but what is JB or the new GM, going to do to create cap ?   

[DeNiro]

6 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:

This has turned into a development year. We have to be honest about that. Otherwise we'll waste picks and prospects for unnecessary rentals to try to push for a playoff spot. I don't think we're going to make a miraculous extra long win streak. 

 

I like our playoff chances for next year.

- But we need a new coach. 

- Except for Motte, we have a weak bottom 6.

- We need a big capable defenseman. 

 

Need to convince someone to take Myers.

 

If he’s not considered a big capable defenseman why are we paying him $6 million a season…

[KelownaCanucksFan]

9 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said:

I honestly thought he looked drunk tonight after the game.

There’s a lot of Vancouverites who were drunk after that game, can’t blame him when he has to watch those games at least we have the option of turning it off

Edited December 5, 2021 by KelownaCanucksFan
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10 hours ago, ABNucksfan said:

You also can’t win without drafting top 3 players. Look at the last 20 cup winners. How many of those teams tanked hard for top players?

TBL - They had a #1 & 2 .... 12 & 13 years ago.   In the past 10 years they've had one #3 and the rest are all out of the top 10

 

St. Louis - Highest pick in the past 10 years = #17 (this year)

 

Washington -  Highest pick in past 10 years = #11

 

Penguins - Highest pick in past 10 years was...Derrick Pouliot at #8!  (Sure you have Crosby and Malkin but that was 16 & 17 years ago...I don't know that his fanbase has given OUR #1 picks a fair shake yet!)

 

Chicago - Kane & Toews drafted 14 & 15 years ago / they have one top 3 pick in the last 10 years

 

LA - Their top picks were just acquired the past 3 years (highest being #3)...you have to go back 12+ years for their difference makers

 

Boston - Dougie Hamilton at #9 was the top pick in the past 10 years

 

So the point here being that top 3 picks don't provide immediate results...it can take years for them to develop and find the right chemistry/mix in a roster.  Some here just won't be able to withstand that I'm sure.

 

So we tank and collect picks and then what?....sit and wait for them to make a difference in a decade.  Our instant gratification fans don't have the stamina for that.  Our fanbase screams for change (which is fine, I'm ok with it and it's time to try something new that doesn't involve swapping bottom 6 in/out), but it could be years of suffering before we see the results that come with that.  I'm not sure this "I want it all and I want it now" fanbase we have here can exercise the patience for that.  I mean, many have called OUR top picks a bust already and it's been what....4 years since they were drafted? 

 

Which is why I advocate for a coaching change as a first step in turning things around, because we haven't given this roster enough of a chance.  Our bottom 6 has not been good enough for some time, and that's on Benning (to some degree).  But I also understand that you take a gamble at times on players and it's hit and miss.  Sad but true.  This isn't EA NHL where it's just say it and it happens.  But there's no denying he's put us in some tough positions and forced our hand.

 

Some of our players who ARE top picks need the fanbase to support them and booing impacts them more than anyone else.  Losing's tough enough on players, to have your fanbase kick you when you're down (which is what booing does), just seems counterproductive to me.  

 

Let's face it, Aquilini is stubborn and quite set in his ways....boo'ing fans likely isn't going to be the breaking point here  So that crap just lands on the players' shoulders.

 

Enough fans will still show up and support the team...the reason I do so is because I've learned to accept the things I can't control. and I love hockey.  Period. I feel that some of our fanbase (not all, we have some much smarter hockey minds than me) just love to be disruptive.  The late night Granville street drunken crowd mentality in this town of entitlement and instant gratification is definitely a factor.  A bunch of spoiled rich kids who equate money to success (rather than hard work).  The team's trying....when you're frustrated and it isn't working it's easy to get deflated at times (and it shows).

 

Just because some of us still support the boys doesn't mean we're idiots or that it's all roses and sunshine for us either.  But we're not turning on our team because we know it's likely not going to help in the here and now to throw them under the bus (and their jerseys on the ice).  And those who cry for tanking like it's a cure all don't understand how long those picks can take to produce results in the form of a SC.  Catch phrases snowball here and, for some anyways, it's more about being the loudest voice in the room.  The attention.  This idea that you "just draft all the players"  isn't a guarantee for instant success...far from it.  You have to build around them and that's where it gets tougher.