[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at New Jersey Devils | Feb. 28, 2022

[RU SERIOUS]

12 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

We can see where the weak links are now.

 

If JR wants to give the team a chance to go for it he needs to dump Halak for whatever anyone is willing to pay.

 

We have two back to backs coming up in March where we can’t afford to throw them away like this.

I think most Canuck followers can say it was many months ago that we could see the serious problems with this team. we certainly did not just now - realize we have a problem.    As for HA-Lack, he should have never even been signed in the first place and rest assured he will be dumped - but the damage he has caused by only winning 2 games in the 13 he's played will mean we miss the playoffs.  It will be on his shoulders alone because if he simply was average and won 50% of those games we'd be "in the hunt' but he has been a complete failure!

As for making the playoffs our odds are about ~15%, so there's still a chance but the odds are heavily against us.

Edited March 1, 2022 by RU SERIOUS

[mll]

1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said:

Vegas Golden Knights todays cap hit: $91,773,273

Their active roster is still under 81.5M.

 

Vancouver's cap hit is 86.7M but their active roster has to still be under 81.5M at all times - actually under 81.2M as they couldn't maximise their LTIR relief when they went into LTIR.

 

Only players on LTIR can exceed the cap and when a player is put on LTIR it's because he is unavailable to play but his cap hit stays on the books.

 

Edited March 1, 2022 by mll

[wai_lai416]

4 hours ago, CanucksCountry said:

After tonight, Halak's SV% will become .876, good for the third last place among goalies who have played at least 6 games, I don't know how you can defend him by simply saying the team is bad in front of him

what about demko's stat after 12 games when his sv% was below .894 and goals against over 3? he was 6th last among goalie that have played 10 games at the time. when you played so little games your stats are going to roller coaster depending on how good or bad you played. he played bad yes but the team also gave up a lot more high danger scoring chance when he's in net vs demko and that's facts. while he hasn't been good the defense haven't provided him any supports either.. when he's in net the high danger scoring chance against is a lot higher than when demko is in net on average.

 

Halak have been poor lately but to single him out as the only reason we lost the game is laughable.. loser mentality looking for an excuse.. the high danger chance in this game is 2.5:1 the defense was atrocious and Halak couldn't make a save to bail them out. just like last night Georgiev couldn't make a save to keep his team in it after coming in ice cold.. games could have gone a lot better if we didn't throw all those blind passes in the first period eh? then Halak wouldn't be put in those situation? it's a collective bad effort and halak shares the biggest blame but to single him out as if he's the only reason.. so what about the anaheim game?? why is that a poor team effort when Demko couldn't make a save to bail them out?

[aznmonk]

4 hours ago, Iron Man said:

3 steps forward, 1 step back. If we keep up this pace, we still have a chance. Though we should never step forward with Halak in net again.

Our momentum/identity was lost when we took of those black skate jerseys! Those jerseys gave us the ghost of the 94 cup run! BB farted today! Demko was the best chance to get us a win. Start halak for nyi to redeem himself. Seems like the theme of this canucks. Get there bonus and they go MIA....

[AnotherCanucksFan]

Late to the party, but I felt like an underlying reason why the Canucks lost was the two Hughes playing against each other. Consider how many of the goals were due to Quinn Hughes being on the ice or being out skated by New Jersey players and Jack Hughes scoring and getting an assist. I think Quinn Hughes as the big brother felt he had something to prove against his younger brother, but he played a terrible game. It seems like the pressure of playing in front of his family and against his brother was too much and frankly became embarrassing after 5 goals in two periods. This was a subplot that impacted the team's psyche, so they let the Brother's battle impact their play.

 

It was like the team was trying too hard, but had developed an attitude that they could beat New Jersey without effort after coming off of high scoring wins against Calgary and New York. New Jersey was supposed to be a weaker team with a 18/29 record. The Canucks came out thinking that they could float to an easy win, because the goals had been flowing in the last two games. They forgot they are still 3 points out of a playoff spot with other teams winning.

 

Combine the Hughes brothers battle, team over confidence, Halak no confidence, and a 12 game / 8 year losing streak against New Jersey - and it's not surprising they lost.

 

What is surprising is how after such a terrible start to the year that the team can still think they can float through any games against any team. They have to show up at puck drop EVERY game or forget about a playoff spot.

 

Now bring up Martin and move down Halak. Martin was good in net and deserves to be the backup. We can't afford to keep Halak in net, despite his contract.

Edited March 1, 2022 by AnotherCanucksFan

[CanucksCountry]

19 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

what about demko's stat after 12 games when his sv% was below .894 and goals against over 3? he was 6th last among goalie that have played 10 games at the time. when you played so little games your stats are going to roller coaster depending on how good or bad you played. he played bad yes but the team also gave up a lot more high danger scoring chance when he's in net vs demko and that's facts. while he hasn't been good the defense haven't provided him any supports either.. when he's in net the high danger scoring chance against is a lot higher than when demko is in net on average.

 

Halak have been poor lately but to single him out as the only reason we lost the game is laughable.. loser mentality looking for an excuse.. the high danger chance in this game is 2.5:1 the defense was atrocious and Halak couldn't make a save to bail them out. just like last night Georgiev couldn't make a save to keep his team in it after coming in ice cold.. games could have gone a lot better if we didn't throw all those blind passes in the first period eh? then Halak wouldn't be put in those situation? it's a collective bad effort and halak shares the biggest blame but to single him out as if he's the only reason.. so what about the anaheim game?? why is that a poor team effort when Demko couldn't make a save to bail them out?

Demko's numbers where influenced by back to back blow outs under green, the team plays completely under Bouadreau than they did green, Like i said in another post about Halak if league average is .905 has been below that in 8/12 games 6/12 for Demko, Halak has had to face a High of 35 shots in his 12 starts in Demko's first 12 Games he had a high of 42,39 and 35 2/3 he finished below a .900sv% given the team had given up on Green and bleed chances that is more excusable tonight's game effort wise would have been a good game under green. out of Demko's 43 games played he has only 4 games where his sv% is below .850 compared to Halak's 3 in 12 games that's about 1in3 games for Halak compared to Demko, Since the Coaching change the team has played better and Has given Halak some run support in goals and he hasn't been able to do the same when it matters, Unlike Demko's "bad" start (which if you exulted the back to back blow outs cause Travis can't coach Demko had only been under .900 3 times which is hella impressive considering how the team was playing) Halak is doing it when the team needs him to step up the most in the mist of a playoff push. Georgiev is also considered not be the best back up either, the ducks game was a very rare bad game for Demko. when has been has good as he has been all year you can excuse a bad performance, Halak under Boudreau has not given the team a chance to win. Not only that in his first 12 Games which had him below .900 Demko had only lost 1 game where the canucks had out shot their opponent. Halak has done it in 2/3 of his last 3   

Edited March 1, 2022 by CanucksCountry

[canuck73_3]

21 minutes ago, mll said:

Their active roster is still under 81.5M.

 

Vancouver's cap hit is 86.7M but their active roster has to still be under 81.5M at all times - actually under 81.2M as they couldn't maximise their LTIR relief when they went into LTIR.

 

Only players on LTIR can exceed the cap and when a player is put on LTIR it's because he is unavailable to play but his cap hit stays on the books.

 

I get that but we’re paying a circumvention penalty for an approved contract meanwhile Tampa and Vegas park $10Mil+ on LTIR who mysteriously are perfectly healthy for game one of the playoffs and get away with it scott free. It’s a joke. 

[shiznak]

There’s no denying that Halak was terrible last night, but he didn’t get much help from his defensemen.

 

The first 4 goals were caused by bad defensive coverages and bad turnovers.

[D-Money]

Well, Canucks have an extra day off here, then their next 8 games are all Demko. Night off between each game, and all starts at same time (7:00 or 7:30 Pacific).

Next back-to-back is the day before the trade deadline. So at least they’ll know where they stand (sellers or standing pat) when they need to play Halak next.

[CRAZY_4_NAZZY]

 

[Gawdzukes]

Stinky hockey again.

[Ghostsof1915]

"Well. Looks like we have a long way to go....."

[wai_lai416]

40 minutes ago, CanucksCountry said:

Demko's numbers where influenced by back to back blow outs under green, the team plays completely under Bouadreau than they did green, Like i said in another post about Halak if league average is .905 has been below that in 8/12 games 6/12 for Demko, Halak has had to face a High of 35 shots in his 12 starts in Demko's first 12 Games he had a high of 42,39 and 35 2/3 he finished below a .900sv% given the team had given up on Green and bleed chances that is more excusable tonight's game effort wise would have been a good game under green. out of Demko's 43 games played he has only 4 games where his sv% is below .850 compared to Halak's 3 in 12 games that's about 1in3 games for Halak compared to Demko, Since the Coaching change the team has played better and Has given Halak some run support in goals and he hasn't been able to do the same when it matters, Unlike Demko's "bad" start (which if you exulted the back to back blow outs cause Travis can't coach Demko had only been under .900 3 times which is hella impressive considering how the team was playing) Halak is doing it when the team needs him to step up the most in the mist of a playoff push. Georgiev is also considered not be the best back up either, the ducks game was a very rare bad game for Demko. when has been has good as he has been all year you can excuse a bad performance, Halak under Boudreau has not given the team a chance to win. Not only that in his first 12 Games which had him below .900 Demko had only lost 1 game where the canucks had out shot their opponent. Halak has done it in 2/3 of his last 3   

i dunno where the since the coaching change the team have given halak run support comes from. against columbus yes they scored 4 goals. against LA 1 goal? against chicago 2 goals? the last was an empty net... and then you nit pick below .850.. why not below .900 when u said the league average is .905? halak have 4 not including relieve apperance. demko have 12? pretty sure halak played under the same team that have given up on green like u said and bleed chances.. he only had 1 start sub .900? so what was demko's excuse then if that's your logic?

 

if you dig up enough stats demko had 14 games with high danger chance in the single digits and mostly around 11.. while halak only had 2 games where his high danger chance is single digit and most of his games are 14+ with couple around 20

Edited March 1, 2022 by wai_lai416

[Law of Goalies]

4 hours ago, grandmaster said:

Good teams have goalies stealing games every once in a while. I’m just saying Halak doesn’t seem to have that ability like he did back in the day. Spencer Martin seems to have that. 

Based on two games, lol

[DownUndaCanuck]

1 hour ago, khay said:

Not disagreeing regarding Halak not playing well in this one. 

 

But maybe, moving forward, we should look into starting the backup (Halak) on the first game of a back-to-back and play Demko on the second game depending on the importance of the games/opponent.

 

For example, if the first game of a back-to-back is a division rival, then just start Demko for the first game. But a back-to-back against Eastern conference teams, we could have the backup playing with team in front of him playing fresh and Demko keeping the tired team in the second game until they get their skating legs back.

 

I think it's tricky, usually coaches go with their best goalie for the better team and worse goalie for the worse team in an attempt to win both games. Playing Halak against NYR would have been brutal but almost a guaranteed win against NJD.

 

I'd rather try and win both but we're one of the many teams who just suck at back to backs. The risk with swapping goalies is that NYR kicks our buts and Halak gives up 7 goals, then we have a washed, tired team who struggle against NJD and even Demko can't keep us in it and we lose both games.

 

It's frustrating losing the back to backs over and over but I wonder if Spencer was in net and he keeps us under 2 GAA, we have a good chance to at least get a point. 

 

With such a bad B2B record I wonder if it's worth cycling defencemen, doesn't happen often but for example dropping OEL or Myers to less minutes or even a healthy scratch while we give Hamonic/a call up more minutes.

[wai_lai416]

10 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

I think it's tricky, usually coaches go with their best goalie for the better team and worse goalie for the worse team in an attempt to win both games. Playing Halak against NYR would have been brutal but almost a guaranteed win against NJD.

 

I'd rather try and win both but we're one of the many teams who just suck at back to backs. The risk with swapping goalies is that NYR kicks our buts and Halak gives up 7 goals, then we have a washed, tired team who struggle against NJD and even Demko can't keep us in it and we lose both games.

 

It's frustrating losing the back to backs over and over but I wonder if Spencer was in net and he keeps us under 2 GAA, we have a good chance to at least get a point. 

 

With such a bad B2B record I wonder if it's worth cycling defencemen, doesn't happen often but for example dropping OEL or Myers to less minutes or even a healthy scratch while we give Hamonic/a call up more minutes.

there's no such thing as an almost guaranteed win games with the canucks.. we've already lost to islanders flyers hawks red wings sabers blue jacket devils.. teams that have no chance of making the playoff this year. of the 9 teams that have a losing record we lost to 5 of them already. 

[spook007]

6 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

BB has gotta be pretty frustrated. Halak was magic when the Habs bounced his top Capital team, over a decade back. Now he has to deal with this lump.

 

If we sell at TDL(so no PO's) then lean heavily on this bum for a strong tank.

Trust him to be lights out, if that happens.. the Canucks way of doing things.

Like always winning a bunch of irrelevant games at the end of the season. 

[iinatcc]

7 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

BB has gotta be pretty frustrated. Halak was magic when the Habs bounced his top Capital team, over a decade back. Now he has to deal with this lump.

 

If we sell at TDL(so no PO's) then lean heavily on this bum for a strong tank.

Lol that what I was thinking 

[theochar]

4 hours ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

73_3 vs. DeNiro is much better than the game!  Neither side giving up any goals! 

I'll have to go with DeNiro only because 73_3 has RatBoy in his sig for some reason, I've had to see his f*kn face about 70 times  reading the comments

[spook007]

6 hours ago, Boudrias said:

You can say that until you are blue in the face. Fans on here acknowledge how ad the team defense is and then condemn the goaltender when he doesn't play lights out to keep the team in the game. It doesn't work that way. Demko is an oddity he is that good. That said you cannot build a Cup contender by putting it all on the tender game after game. If the team makes playoffs it will be all about Demko. Halak got diced tonight and last year it was Holtby. These are veteran NHL tenders. 

 

What would ever happen if Demko was ever out for any length of time? 

They'd be picking top 10...

Looking at last nights game, they'd be picking top 3...